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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jan 10, 2020 18:36:44 GMT -5
Wally West becoming the Flash was a smooth, warranted and successful transition. That shouldn’t have been undone.
One that surprised me was Bucky as Captain America. I hated the idea of bringing Bucky back from the dead. but the Winter Soldier storyline won me over. Bucky’s assuming Cap’s mantle upon the latter’s passing was something logical, given the two men’s history together and their relation as mentor and pupil; I really didn’t like the new costume, but the storyline was good enough that I really wouldn’t have minded had Steve Rogers stayed dead! It was a brief, but well-executed and believable transition.
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Post by brutalis on Jan 13, 2020 8:12:17 GMT -5
Bucky was one of those (like Gwen Stacy and Uncle Ben) that shouldn't ever be come back to life, but dang if it doesn't make sense and work well. Agree that he got one ugly uniform during his Cap run but he does have a fairly decent look as Winter Soldier.
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Post by tarkintino on Jan 14, 2020 5:19:20 GMT -5
If you're talking about temporary replacements where it was clear it was temporary, I think Dick Grayson as Batman and Rhodey as Iron Man top the list. While I love me some Kyle Rayner, that was never meant to be temporary, and of course he's still around as a GL after they foolishly brought Hal back. I've never thought of Kamala Khan as a replacement anything, she's a fan girl.... more a tribute. She's awesome though, if you want her to count  I also loved Hal as the Spectre (Though I realize not many do)... I kinda wish they stayed with that, it made SO much sense. You could argue these days Beta Ray Bill is a better Thor than Thor is. With so many Thors now, though, it's almost a title. I could not tolerate the terrible Kyle Rayner. The very idea of him (to appeal to some younger demographic with an "attitude" young character) was wrongheaded on DC's part, making him the worst GL ever. |
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Post by brutalis on Jan 14, 2020 7:42:40 GMT -5
Kyle really wasn't any worse than Guy Gardner was he?
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 14, 2020 8:22:50 GMT -5
What I liked about Kyle is that having a GL that was an artist made so much sense.. his Ring stuff was amazing... it probably wouldn't have worked as well with a less awesome artist, of course (and it was definitely a strain.. Banks had tons of fill ins), but that was what made it for me.
Hal is just so BORING.
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Post by mikelmidnight on Jan 14, 2020 12:31:18 GMT -5
What I liked about Kyle is that having a GL that was an artist made so much sense.. his Ring stuff was amazing... it probably wouldn't have worked as well with a less awesome artist, of course (and it was definitely a strain.. Banks had tons of fill ins), but that was what made it for me. Hal is just so BORING.
I liked the idea of Kyle, but was annoyed that they spent so much time dissing Hal in order to make Kyle look good - an approach they never needed to take with Wally and Barry. The result was that I ended up resenting him.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 14, 2020 12:35:01 GMT -5
They didn't dis Hal.. he went crazy (justifibly so, IMO)... It's just a shame they took it all back. He had a perfectly good redemption later in Final Night. A repentant Hal Jordan as the Spectre long term would have been awesome, IMO.
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Post by brutalis on Jan 16, 2020 13:51:45 GMT -5
How do you all feel about all the Batman substitution over the years? There has probably been as many replacements in comics as there has been actors! I thought Jean-Paul Valley made for a different take with his "failed" turn in the cape if only to reveal that there is much more to being THE BATMAN than just doing his night "job" as a Dark Knight. Thought Commissioner Gordon in armor trying to be Batman was a truly flawed and stupid idea. Outside of Dick Grayson, I really don't see any of the other "Robin's" ever being strong enough emotionally or mentally for being Batman.
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Post by rberman on Jan 16, 2020 14:44:12 GMT -5
How do you all feel about all the Batman substitution over the years? There has probably been as many replacements in comics as there has been actors! I thought Jean-Paul Valley made for a different take with his "failed" turn in the cape if only to reveal that there is much more to being THE BATMAN than just doing his night "job" as a Dark Knight. Thought Commissioner Gordon in armor trying to be Batman was a truly flawed and stupid idea. Outside of Dick Grayson, I really don't see any of the other "Robin's" ever being strong enough emotionally or mentally for being Batman. Speaking as someone who's not especially into Batman... he's much more suited to substitution than most heroes. He drives a car and is athletic and smart. He funds his toys with wealth. But he doesn't need a super-soldier serum, an alien birth, or a chemical accident to do his thing. how much emotional/mental fortitude does he need? That depends on the era and the writer. Apart from dealing with Bat Mite occasionally, 50s Batman had it relatively easy. No wonder he was always smiling.  I chose this issue completely at random. Not only does it happen to have Bat Mite AND smiling Batman on the cover, but it contains a backup story in which Joker of all people shows that he's qualified to be Batman.  |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 16, 2020 15:15:15 GMT -5
If you're talking about temporary replacements where it was clear it was temporary, I think Dick Grayson as Batman and Rhodey as Iron Man top the list. While I love me some Kyle Rayner, that was never meant to be temporary, and of course he's still around as a GL after they foolishly brought Hal back. I've never thought of Kamala Khan as a replacement anything, she's a fan girl.... more a tribute. She's awesome though, if you want her to count I also loved Hal as the Spectre (Though I realize not many do)... I kinda wish they stayed with that, it made SO much sense. You could argue these days Beta Ray Bill is a better Thor than Thor is. With so many Thors now, though, it's almost a title. I could not tolerate the terrible Kyle Rayner. The very idea of him (to appeal to some younger demographic with an "attitude" young character) was wrongheaded on DC's part, making him the worst GL ever. Kyle was my favorite GL. Reading his book felt like getting in on the ground floor of Spider-man or Luke Cage. You got to see his development on a monthly basis. If DC had just killed Hal heroically, I'm sure Kyles's role would have went down much easier. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jan 16, 2020 16:58:00 GMT -5
I could not tolerate the terrible Kyle Rayner. The very idea of him (to appeal to some younger demographic with an "attitude" young character) was wrongheaded on DC's part, making him the worst GL ever. Kyle was my favorite GL. Reading his book felt like getting in on the ground floor of Spider-man or Luke Cage. You got to see his development on a monthly basis. If DC had just killed Hal heroically, I'm sure Kyles's role would have went down much easier. Although I was unimpressed by Morrison's JLA, I thought that Kyle and Connor as the new Green Lantern and Green Arrow worked very well. I liked the originals, but when the torch is passed so successfully it's probably better to let things stand. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2020 17:01:44 GMT -5
I never really read Green Lantern or Green Arrow prior to Kyle and Connor taking over their respective mantles.
Those were two of the books I read religiously when I first got back into collecting monthly comics full time in the mid-90s.
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Post by brutalis on Jan 17, 2020 10:07:31 GMT -5
With so many Batman sub's running around, I wonder what might happen if Bats as Bruce Wayne chose to fund a Just-a-lot-of-Batman League? With so much crime going on in Gotham, what if he decided the best idea would be for 24 hour round the clock Bat Justice be handed out to crime? Put EVERYONE who has been a Batman into the same outfit or all similar outfits and there be a constant vigilance of Batmen doing the job all in support of and acting together as essentially one Batman? Put them on 8 hour shifts (like a regular police job and include days off) and each handing in a "report" of their day/night to the next oncoming man/woman in the cowl. Becoming a TRUE Bat Family in essence?
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Post by rberman on Jan 17, 2020 10:46:20 GMT -5
With so many Batman sub's running around, I wonder what might happen if Bats as Bruce Wayne chose to fund a Just-a-lot-of-Batman League? With so much crime going on in Gotham, what if he decided the best idea would be for 24 hour round the clock Bat Justice be handed out to crime? Put EVERYONE who has been a Batman into the same outfit or all similar outfits and there be a constant vigilance of Batmen doing the job all in support of and acting together as essentially one Batman? Put them on 8 hour shifts (like a regular police job and include days off) and each handing in a "report" of their day/night to the next oncoming man/woman in the cowl. Becoming a TRUE Bat Family in essence? In Kingdom Come elderly Batman realized the benefits of staying home and sending out a fleet of giant Bat-robots to fight crime, in the form of the Fat Albert Gang.  |
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Post by mikelmidnight on Jan 17, 2020 13:03:04 GMT -5
With so many Batman sub's running around, I wonder what might happen if Bats as Bruce Wayne chose to fund a Just-a-lot-of-Batman League? With so much crime going on in Gotham, what if he decided the best idea would be for 24 hour round the clock Bat Justice be handed out to crime? Put EVERYONE who has been a Batman into the same outfit or all similar outfits and there be a constant vigilance of Batmen doing the job all in support of and acting together as essentially one Batman? Put them on 8 hour shifts (like a regular police job and include days off) and each handing in a "report" of their day/night to the next oncoming man/woman in the cowl. Becoming a TRUE Bat Family in essence?
There was a Silver Age story - can't find it with a quick Google search - in which a team of crooks attempted to convince a rich adventurer of precisely that - claiming that Batman was actually a team and they wanted to recruit him. The real Batman showed up to foil their plan and the attempted patsy helped him to defeat the gang (while in Batman uniform!).
Anyway, he definitely ought to be in the group. I also recommend the Bronze Age race car driver who, it turned out, actually was entrusted with building the various Batmobiles.
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