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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 19, 2020 9:28:56 GMT -5
That kinda reminds me that there is a Anthony Stark in an old Super Friends comic. A reader pointed it out in a letter asking if he would be appearing more but the writers said if they did that Marvel would probably sue them. Generally companies don't make a noise until someone tries to publish a book starring the duplicate characters.
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Post by nerdygirl905 on Jan 19, 2020 9:49:42 GMT -5
That kinda reminds me that there is a Anthony Stark in an old Super Friends comic. A reader pointed it out in a letter asking if he would be appearing more but the writers said if they did that Marvel would probably sue them. Generally companies don't make a noise until someone tries to publish a book starring the duplicate characters. Yup. The reader asked for a sub-plot involving their companies, something that you wouldn’t really put in a Super Friends comic.
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Post by String on Jan 19, 2020 14:40:58 GMT -5
Huh, then I guess Thanos decided to take out all the DC heroes first here: I did like the appearance of Buried Alien: I voted for separate universes because it's just simpler for me that way. Shared earth may have an appeal but it would be too crowded. For example, Avengers have had a gov't liaison for some time. Why hasn't the JLA? If Spider-Man is a menace, then I would imagine a dark vigilante like Batman would draw the editorial ire of Jameson as well in the Bugle. Besides, it's hard enough rectifying the existence/presence of mutants alongside all the Marvel heroes without dragging in a whole other company's worth of so-called 'meta-humans'. So I don't mind if they jump the universal divide to have a crossover but I wouldn't want it become an annual or maybe even semi-annual event. Such a crossover needs to remain special & unique and deserves a equally good story to justify such an occurrence.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 15:11:39 GMT -5
Huh, then I guess Thanos decided to take out all the DC heroes first here: I did like the appearance of Buried Alien: I voted for separate universes because it's just simpler for me that way. Shared earth may have an appeal but it would be too crowded. For example, Avengers have had a gov't liaison for some time. Why hasn't the JLA? If Spider-Man is a menace, then I would imagine a dark vigilante like Batman would draw the editorial ire of Jameson as well in the Bugle. Besides, it's hard enough rectifying the existence/presence of mutants alongside all the Marvel heroes without dragging in a whole other company's worth of so-called 'meta-humans'. So I don't mind if they jump the universal divide to have a crossover but I wouldn't want it become an annual or maybe even semi-annual event. Such a crossover needs to remain special & unique and deserves a equally good story to justify such an occurrence. This gets back to what I discussed a few pages back. Maybe Batman does draw the editorial ire of Jameson, but we don't see that. We never see all the pages of the Daily Bugle in a Spidey comic. How do we know there isn't a Gotham City correspondent on page 9 or 10? It's a fair question you've asked, but I am very much of the view that we are not privy to every aspect of characters' lives. We don't see everything. That can include the mundane (we've never seen Spidey take a bath, although spiders are notorious for getting stuck in baths). We see Jameson's vendetta against Spidey. We see front pages of his paper, most of them dismissing Spidey. But perhaps throughout the pages, there's a Metropolis correspondent, Gotham City correspondent, etc. Same with a government liaison. Maybe the JLA have one and we just don't see him or her. Maybe they just don't have one. On a forum years ago, I remember someone saying something along the lines of, 'It made no sense for Spidey and the Transformers to be on the same Earth, why hasn't anyone mentioned giant robots before?' Again, we see what we see. "Off-camera", perhaps Cap and others have had regular meetings where they keep the Autobots on their radar. But in their monthly books, we don't see it. It's a leap I am willing to take.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 19, 2020 16:34:03 GMT -5
I can't believe this subject has lasted 8 pages. Kudo's @taxidriver1980. But ultimately it depends on the writer and subject. You can't have JLA/Avengers if they all share the same world.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 16:39:08 GMT -5
I can't believe this subject has lasted 8 pages. Kudo's @taxidriver1980 . But ultimately it depends on the writer and subject. You can't have JLA/Avengers if they all share the same world. Thank you, although it's the great responses from everyone that has made this topic work! It's important to state that whenever I post a topic (on any subject), it isn't necessarily absolute. There can be nuance and there is exceptions to the rule. Same with life. One could debate, say, whether the space program is worth the money or not. Whatever side you fall on, you can possibly think of exceptions to the rule. A person who is pro-space program can probably think of instances where it isn't value for money; a person who is anti-space program can probably think of the benefits of space exploration. So while I robustly stick with the shared Earth preference, I realise there are exceptions. I mean, there really would have been no good reason to have Star Trek be routinely bumping into the Spectre or Darkseid back when DC had the licence. So sometimes being in a separate universe, or completely divorced from the mainstream books (as DC's Trek was), can make sense.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2020 19:41:32 GMT -5
I don't share much ... but it has been interesting reading so far.
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Post by Duragizer on Jan 20, 2020 0:47:52 GMT -5
Can Aquaman and Namor even co-exist on a shared Earth? I'm not intimately familiar with either character, but aren't they both the King of Atlantis? And don't their respective versions of Atlantis differ considerably, with mutually exclusive histories?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2020 6:29:21 GMT -5
Can Aquaman and Namor even co-exist on a shared Earth? I'm not intimately familiar with either character, but aren't they both the King of Atlantis? And don't their respective versions of Atlantis differ considerably, with mutually exclusive histories? It does look like you've delivered the killer blow to my argument, doesn't it?
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Post by Cei-U! on Jan 20, 2020 8:08:42 GMT -5
Can Aquaman and Namor even co-exist on a shared Earth? I'm not intimately familiar with either character, but aren't they both the King of Atlantis? And don't their respective versions of Atlantis differ considerably, with mutually exclusive histories? It does look like you've delivered the killer blow to my argument, doesn't it? The Atlantis question is one of the problems I hinted at in my brief post on page one of the thread. There are also conflicting versions of the Greek and Norse gods, King Arthur, Merlin and the Knights of the Round Table, Frankenstein's Monster, life on Mars, and many others. Like I said earlier, there are just too many differences between the two universes to reconcile their histories without negating big chunks of one or the other.
Cei-U! I summon Duragizer's MVP award!
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Post by brutalis on Jan 20, 2020 8:14:54 GMT -5
Why couldn't Namor and Aquaman be cousin's and as Atlantis was sinking, the kingdom split into two halves with one portion sinking slower and drifting away and both believing the other portion(s) were destroyed? Both would take time to evolve and recover until they rediscover each other and both have taken the name Atlantis and declared their "cousin" as king? Hot head Namor wouldn't be inclined to give up his crown to a fair haired cousin and demands that his Atlantis is the one true Atlantis!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2020 8:21:58 GMT -5
It does look like you've delivered the killer blow to my argument, doesn't it? The Atlantis question is one of the problems I hinted at in my brief post on page one of the thread. There are also conflicting versions of the Greek and Norse gods, King Arthur, Merlin and the Knights of the Round Table, Frankenstein's Monster, life on Mars, and many others. Like I said earlier, there are just too many differences between the two universes to reconcile their histories without negating big chunks of one or the other.
Cei-U! I summon Duragizer's MVP award!
That is a good point. Of course, even within the Marvel Universe, there are conflicting versions (hasn't there been more than one incarnation of Dracula?). And a Hercules very different from the one we know appeared in an early Avengers tale (the one where they fought Immortus). But, still, good point.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2020 8:22:26 GMT -5
Why couldn't Namor and Aquaman be cousin's and as Atlantis was sinking, the kingdom split into two halves with one portion sinking slower and drifting away and both believing the other portion(s) were destroyed? Both would take time to evolve and recover until they rediscover each other and both have taken the name Atlantis and declared their "cousin" as king? Hot head Namor wouldn't be inclined to give up his crown to a fair haired cousin and demands that his Atlantis is the one true Atlantis! Perfect answer! Drinks are on me if you're ever in the UK.
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Post by nerdygirl905 on Jan 20, 2020 9:14:39 GMT -5
The Atlantis question is one of the problems I hinted at in my brief post on page one of the thread. There are also conflicting versions of the Greek and Norse gods, King Arthur, Merlin and the Knights of the Round Table, Frankenstein's Monster, life on Mars, and many others. Like I said earlier, there are just too many differences between the two universes to reconcile their histories without negating big chunks of one or the other.
Cei-U! I summon Duragizer's MVP award!
That is a good point. Of course, even within the Marvel Universe, there are conflicting versions (hasn't there been more than one incarnation of Dracula?). And a Hercules very different from the one we know appeared in an early Avengers tale (the one where they fought Immortus). But, still, good point. DC’s got it too. The Atlantises of every comic series were different, and they all had mermaids there! The Supers had Lori Lemaris and Jerro the Mer-Boy, Wonder Woman/Wonder Girl had Manno/Ronno (also the Mer-Man/Mer-Boy) and we don’t talk about Aquaman and his Atlantis where he was made King because he was the best choice (plus Mera from another dimension). And also Mars. And Jupiter. And stuff. Wonder Woman literally had a characterisation of Jupiter in an issue and a different one literally less than a year after. And she also had villains from Mars. The Duke of Deception and the actual Mars were from there. Which gets in conflict with J’onn’s backstory unless you remember Mars is totally big enough for it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2020 9:19:32 GMT -5
I'd forgotten about those (or didn't know about some of them). You're right.
It reminds me of the contradictory history of Krypton. Didn't it feature a race of Super-Men at one point, only to become a (relatively) normal planet where they didn't have superhuman abilities?
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