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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 13:25:59 GMT -5
On that note, Farrar, the DC comics from that era - and I love letters pages - do seem to feature letters that can be "laundry lists" of questions, nit-picking, etc. Yet the Marvel comics from that time, certainly the ones I've read, seem to feature more thoughtful letters about arcs, characters, etc.
I know I can only base my view on random reads. But I've seen 60s DC comics at car boot sales, conventions, etc. I love a good letters page, but sometimes they are hard to read due to the "laundry list" of complaints and nit-picking. The Marvel letters pages from that time obviously attracted a different kind of readership who simply wanted to comment on the stories.
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Post by Farrar on Jan 25, 2020 13:39:42 GMT -5
On that note, Farrar, the DC comics from that era - and I love letters pages - do seem to feature letters that can be "laundry lists" of questions, nit-picking, etc. Yet the Marvel comics from that time, certainly the ones I've read, seem to feature more thoughtful letters about arcs, characters, etc. I know I can only base my view on random reads. But I've seen 60s DC comics at car boot sales, conventions, etc. I love a good letters page, but sometimes they are hard to read due to the "laundry list" of complaints and nit-picking. The Marvel letters pages from that time obviously attracted a different kind of readership who simply wanted to comment on the stories. Absolutely! There's been speculation that Marvel authored some of those letters. And I have read that Flo Steinberg and others on staff would do some rewriting "for clarity" but really, it seems it was done to elevate the caliber of the letters. It also explains, to me at least, why the letters sound similar in tone (note: as always I am referring to the mid-late Silver Age, which is when I was reading comics.) For me as a young fan back then (in grade school), I was totally intimidated by those Marvel letters. So I reserved my letter writing to DC, I never dared to write to Marvel. My DC letters were of the kind you describe--very childish, as befitted my age! The letter columns of those times are a topic I'm fascinated by. The nitpicking you (correctly) mention seems to me to be found mostly in the Superman books, which from what I understand were deliberately aimed at kids and young teens. But now, as an adult who's been reading some of the Silver Age DC lettercols for the first time, I've come across letter columns that contain letters from older fans, such as in the Schwartz-edited books. I am impressed by the letters written to books like Flash and Atom. A lot of letters about scientific matters (which go over my head, lol). Very impressive! Plus Atom's letters also focus on Gil Kane's art; I am amazed at how savvy these readers were regarding art techniques and artist recognition. They could spot a different inker in a single panel a mile away! There were also a lot of letters about art in Hawkman's book, specifically about the wonders of Murphy Anderson. Again, very literate letters.
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Post by nerdygirl905 on Jan 25, 2020 14:03:17 GMT -5
Oh, I know one! In Justice League of America 7#, in the last panel where all the heroes except Aquaman are in the funhouse with their love interests, Diane Meade gets called “Diana Meade”.
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Post by Prince Hal on Jan 25, 2020 14:43:48 GMT -5
On that note, Farrar, the DC comics from that era - and I love letters pages - do seem to feature letters that can be "laundry lists" of questions, nit-picking, etc. Yet the Marvel comics from that time, certainly the ones I've read, seem to feature more thoughtful letters about arcs, characters, etc. I know I can only base my view on random reads. But I've seen 60s DC comics at car boot sales, conventions, etc. I love a good letters page, but sometimes they are hard to read due to the "laundry list" of complaints and nit-picking. The Marvel letters pages from that time obviously attracted a different kind of readership who simply wanted to comment on the stories. Absolutely! There's been speculation that Marvel authored some of those letters. And I have read that Flo Steinberg and others on staff would do some rewriting "for clarity" but really, it seems it was done to elevate the caliber of the letters. It also explains, to me at least, why the letters sound similar in tone (note: as always I am referring to the mid-late Silver Age, which is when I was reading comics.) For me as a young fan back then (in grade school), I was totally intimidated by those Marvel letters. So I reserved my letter writing to DC, I never dared to write to Marvel. My DC letters were of the kind you describe--very childish, as befitted my age! The letter columns of those times are a topic I'm fascinated by. The nitpicking you (correctly) mention seems to me to be found mostly in the Superman books, which from what I understand were deliberately aimed at kids and young teens. But now, as an adult who's been reading some of the Silver Age DC lettercols for the first time, I've come across letter columns that contain letters from older fans, such as in the Schwartz-edited books. I am impressed by the letters written to books like Flash and Atom. A lot of letters about scientific matters (which go over my head, lol). Very impressive! Plus Atom's letters also focus on Gil Kane's art; I am amazed at how savvy these readers were regarding art techniques and artist recognition. They could spot a different inker in a single panel a mile away! There were also a lot of letters about art in Hawkman's book, specifically about the wonders of Murphy Anderson. Again, very literate letters. What I was going to say.
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Post by Prince Hal on Jan 25, 2020 14:47:32 GMT -5
Oh, I know one! In Justice League of America 7#, in the last panel where all the heroes except Aquaman are in the funhouse with their love interests, Diane Meade gets called “Diana Meade”. And that went uncorrected when it was reprinted in JLA 76. Good catch!
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Post by nerdygirl905 on Jan 25, 2020 14:59:58 GMT -5
Oh, I know one! In Justice League of America 7#, in the last panel where all the heroes except Aquaman are in the funhouse with their love interests, Diane Meade gets called “Diana Meade”. And that went uncorrected when it was reprinted in JLA 76. Good catch! Thanks! *smiles in reader of the old issues*
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 15:00:46 GMT -5
Obviously, and I hope my post made it clear, there was nothing superior in my thoughts. I grew up in the 80s, but my letters were also immature - as was expected. They were usually "laundry lists" of requests such as "Can you have Hercules fight Juggernaut?" or "Will you have the Fantastic Four take on all of Spider-Man's enemies at some point?" Real Santa Claus stuff. Or nit-picking about the most absurd things.
But we all grow up and (hopefully) start articulating something deeper in our letters!
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Post by Prince Hal on Jan 25, 2020 15:09:37 GMT -5
Obviously, and I hope my post made it clear, there was nothing superior in my thoughts. I grew up in the 80s, but my letters were also immature - as was expected. They were usually "laundry lists" of requests such as "Can you have Hercules fight Juggernaut?" or "Will you have the Fantastic Four take on all of Spider-Man's enemies at some point?" Real Santa Claus stuff. Or nit-picking about the most absurd things. But we all grow up and (hopefully) start articulating something deeper in our letters! No, the letters pages in DC basically reflected the age of their usual readers. Marvel followed the example set by Schwartz and exploited their popularity with older readers, especially highlighting letters from college students. What made the Weisinger letters pages off-putting was not the less erudite letters of the readers, but Weisinger's bullying responses. He was needlessly dismissive and sometimes nasty to his readers. As a reader, you sensed that he had no respect for what he did. he couldn't even fake it. Check out Murray Boltinoff's letters pages in Doom Patrol, Challengers, and Tomahawk as examples of how to welcome readers and create a sense of camaraderie between them and the creators, sans the incessant self-adulation of Smilin' Stan. Later on, Dick Giordano established a similar rapport in his DC books.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 15:20:12 GMT -5
I always felt that Marvel was more avuncular than DC, both with the US editions and the UK reprints. When Marvel editors "spoke" to me, it was like your uncle chatting, telling you all the latest news, welcoming your views, etc. The DC books I read featured editors/letter-answerers who were to me what an accountant might be to someone. It was all very formal.
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Post by rberman on Jan 25, 2020 15:29:09 GMT -5
Editorial in comments 60s Marvel lettercols were 50% "Thank you, we know are the most awesome thing ever" and 50% "We have no idea what we are doing. It is a miracle you are even reading these words."
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Post by Prince Hal on Jan 25, 2020 17:07:57 GMT -5
I always felt that Marvel was more avuncular than DC, both with the US editions and the UK reprints. When Marvel editors "spoke" to me, it was like your uncle chatting, telling you all the latest news, welcoming your views, etc. The DC books I read featured editors/letter-answerers who were to me what an accountant might be to someone. It was all very formal. Schwartz could be formal, as could Kanigher, who always addressed readers as Mr. or Miss, but Boltinoff and Giordano were anything but. But we’re talking the late Silver Age here. Maybe you haven’t read their books from that time?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 17:12:00 GMT -5
Well, of course, a brief statement like mine can't possibly cover every book/era. And I can only judge the books I picked up.
It's like anything. If drivers in orange cars kept cutting me up in traffic, I'm gonna have a bias against drivers of orange cars - even though the reality is there'd be hundreds of drivers of orange cars that are perfectly safe and reasonable.
Purchases of Silver Age books by myself has been haphazard, random and non-chronological.
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Post by Prince Hal on Jan 25, 2020 17:53:52 GMT -5
Well, of course, a brief statement like mine can't possibly cover every book/era. And I can only judge the books I picked up.
It's like anything. If drivers in orange cars kept cutting me up in traffic, I'm gonna have a bias against drivers of orange cars - even though the reality is there'd be hundreds of drivers of orange cars that are perfectly safe and reasonable. Purchases of Silver Age books by myself has been haphazard, random and non-chronological.Understood. The Silver Age was my heyday, which is why I know nothing about what became of letters pages after about 1990 or so.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2020 18:43:17 GMT -5
I really picked up my purchases of US comics in the early-to-mid 90s (it was more UK reprints in the 80s). I picked up a lot of Supes' titles. They had letters pages comparable with anything from Silver Age Marvel, with thoughtful letters about Clark's life, Lex Luthor, the Clark/Lois dynamic, etc.
In a way, it's sad that the "laundry list" letters became extinct. At least with those letters, you knew a younger audience were writing in. It's been a while since I've seen a "laundry list" letter in a comic.
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Post by Farrar on Jan 27, 2020 18:08:05 GMT -5
Obviously, and I hope my post made it clear, there was nothing superior in my thoughts... No worries, taxi--you didn't come across that way at all
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