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Post by tonebone on Nov 17, 2020 15:02:30 GMT -5
Didn't really bother with Action Comics (New 52) after issue #1....until I got a run of issues for about 40c each...this is not my Superman, it's Toothyman.
That's a damn shame. It's like the artist didn't know what a teenager looked like, and assumed children are born with adult teeth, which he still hasn't fully grown into. |
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Post by tonebone on Nov 17, 2020 15:03:03 GMT -5
Best worst Hulk ever!!!   HULK SMUSH!!! |
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Post by dbutler69 on Nov 17, 2020 16:33:31 GMT -5
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Post by berkley on Nov 17, 2020 23:03:38 GMT -5
The news of the upcoming Eternals mniseries from Gillen and Ribic has me thinking about those characters lately and how they've been portrayed over the years. I don't think there have been many drastic visual changes apart from the above-mentioned Forgotten One, but still, most of the modifications haven't been improvements, in my view. The best of them are more or less watered-down versions of Kirby's, the worst, mis-guided efforts to "jazz up" the designs. case in point: 
The exposed breast not only makes no sense in the otherwise more or less functional-looking armour, but it's also very much the wrong look for this no-nonsense character. Disappointing that Ribic here seems to have based his re-design more on later artists than on Kirby's original but then that's the basic problem with this entire project, as Gillen too seems to be more concerned with Gaiman's and Aaron's recent Eternals stories than with Kirby's ideas.
I do like the head-piece, though.
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Post by berkley on Nov 19, 2020 1:06:19 GMT -5
One other point I forgot to mention, though in this case it could be a that these early images are too few to judge by: I think it looks like they're making the mistake of tryg too hard to make her look tough and "hardcore", with the spikes on the armour and with the threatening scowl on her face. This too is the wrong approach, in my view. If you read the original series carefully, the warrior aspect is an important part of the character but it isn't the sort of warrior mentality that needs to display itself too overtly with external markers, or to make threats, or reflexively rely on force. On the contrary, the discriminate use of force, using just the exact amount necessary and no more and only at the time it's necessary, is what distiguishes her from, say, Ikaris, who tends to dive right in with a gung-ho attitude, sometimes to a fault.
When we get closer to the release of the new series I'll probably start a thread to go into more detail about where I think they've gone wrong - because I believe we can draw a few conclusions already, before even seeing the first issue, just from the interviews and previews that have appeared so far.
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Post by mikelmidnight on Nov 20, 2020 13:11:03 GMT -5
One other point I forgot to mention, though in this case it could be a that these early images are too few to judge by: I think it looks like they're making the mistake of tryg too hard to make her look tough and "hardcore", with the spikes on the armour and with the threatening scowl on her face. This too is the wrong approach, in my view. If you read the original series carefully, the warrior aspect is an important part of the character but it isn't the sort of warrior mentality that needs to display itself too overtly with external markers, or to make threats, or reflexively rely on force. On the contrary, the discriminate use of force, using just the exact amount necessary and no more and only at the time it's necessary, is what distiguishes her from, say, Ikaris, who tends to dive right in with a gung-ho attitude, sometimes to a fault.
I think this is another situation where people are dazzled by Kirby's bombast and don't see the actual subtlety that he would put into his characterisation.
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Post by berkley on Nov 20, 2020 21:02:32 GMT -5
One other point I forgot to mention, though in this case it could be a that these early images are too few to judge by: I think it looks like they're making the mistake of tryg too hard to make her look tough and "hardcore", with the spikes on the armour and with the threatening scowl on her face. This too is the wrong approach, in my view. If you read the original series carefully, the warrior aspect is an important part of the character but it isn't the sort of warrior mentality that needs to display itself too overtly with external markers, or to make threats, or reflexively rely on force. On the contrary, the discriminate use of force, using just the exact amount necessary and no more and only at the time it's necessary, is what distiguishes her from, say, Ikaris, who tends to dive right in with a gung-ho attitude, sometimes to a fault.
I think this is another situation where people are dazzled by Kirby's bombast and don't see the actual subtlety that he would put into his characterisation.
I think that's it and you can see it in the vague, almost dismissive way Gillen talks about the Kirby series, as Gaiman did before him: they find it hard to say much about it at all, which leads me to believe that they don't see much in it, haven't put much effort into thinking about the underlying ideas except in the most superficial way, and therefore end up with a shallow, if not competely wrongheaded view of the whole thing, including important characters like Thena.
The continual recurrence to the supposed great romance with Kro is particularly annoying since one of the crucial points of the Eternals is that she rejects that romance because Kro isn't ready, i.e. in the greater scheme of things the Deviants as a society or sub-species aren't ready, as evidenced by their treatment of their own people as represented by the Reject and Karkas. So that she refuses Kro's romantic advances (and not for the first time, it is strongly hinted) and instead takes those two "rejected" Deviants under her wing is important on every level to the Eternals concept, in the same way that a story like "The Pact" is important to the New Gods.
There's an entire 3-issue story devoted to all this and yet you've never heard any later Eternals writer so much as mention it. But then, you never hear them say much of anything about the Kirby series beyond the most obvious, superficial observations: "Von Daniken, ... hard to fit them into the MU, ... unfinished, ... uh, did I say Von Daniken already?".
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Post by dbutler69 on Jan 30, 2021 12:00:09 GMT -5
Not an artwork issue here, but a definitely bad fashion choice my Lex Luthor.  |
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