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Post by Icctrombone on May 11, 2020 6:23:14 GMT -5
We were having a discussion on another thread about shocking changes way after the fact. I mentioned that Balder the Brave was revealed to be Thors brother 60 years after the comic was first published. I usually just ignore retcons of that magnitude. What events or " reveals " have you shaking your head?
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Post by brutalis on May 11, 2020 7:35:54 GMT -5
Wanda and Pietro NOT being Magneto's children. After several decades and many story lines devoted to that concept, suddenly they aren't his kids?
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Post by kirby101 on May 11, 2020 7:48:56 GMT -5
The resent FF story with the Cosmic Ray accident actually being an alien plot was beyond terrible.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2020 7:55:49 GMT -5
Superman can fly? What? I mean "Able to LEAP buildings in a single bound" was the marketing catchphrase everyone knew, not he can fly so why change it?
-M
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2020 8:00:38 GMT -5
Captain America got frozen in WWII? Then who was that fighting "Commies" in the Red Scare era after WWII? Who's going to believe someone can survive by being froze in a block of ice in the ocean and how you going to explain how he was fighting the god fight after the war while being frozen in the ocean? Why that change?
Maybe because wild changes that spark new stories (though some don't actually make sense to many fans) have always been part of the comic book super-hero landscape. There's always been changes like that. Nobody blinks an eye when those changes result in something most fans like, but they jump all over ones they don't want to accept for whatever reason.
-M
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Post by Icctrombone on May 11, 2020 8:06:37 GMT -5
I have no problem with changes but why 30-50 years after a history is established?
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Post by wildfire2099 on May 11, 2020 8:08:28 GMT -5
MRP is right, some changes are great, but others, not so much.
I can think of quite a few clunkers just for Tony Stark -
- Tony was always working for Kang and is really a bad guy
- Tony was adopted and had hippy parents..
-Oh, but the hippy parents were actual SHIELD agents
- Arno Stark is the REALLY smart brother
Then, of course, there are some good ones
-Rhodey as a military guy and liason to the Government, rather than just hired gun
- Stark _______ gets let global and isn't an the biggest company the world has ever known
- Tony as director of SHIELD/weapons designer for SHIELD
-Tony as Sec Defense (I would have liked them to run with that for longer)
Then, of course, he may lead the MU is deaths and returns at this point.
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Post by tarkintino on May 11, 2020 8:22:21 GMT -5
We were having a discussion on another thread about shocking changes way after the fact. I mentioned that Balder the Brave was revealed to be Thors brother 60 years after the comic was first published. I usually just ignore retcons of that magnitude. What events or " reveals " have you shaking your head? Anything from that "Sins Past" storyline. Cheap, stunt / "shock" writing, and utterly unnecessary to advance Spider-Man characterization / storytelling.
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Post by brutalis on May 11, 2020 8:33:22 GMT -5
Taking away comic book white WWII Sgt. Fury/Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. commander Nick Fury and replacing with black Nick Jr just because the MCU used Samuel L. Jackson.
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Post by kirby101 on May 11, 2020 8:36:51 GMT -5
Captain America got frozen in WWII? Then who was that fighting "Commies" in the Red Scare era after WWII? Who's going to believe someone can survive by being froze in a block of ice in the ocean and how you going to explain how he was fighting the god fight after the war while being frozen in the ocean? Why that change? Maybe because wild changes that spark new stories (though some don't actually make sense to many fans) have always been part of the comic book super-hero landscape. There's always been changes like that. Nobody blinks an eye when those changes result in something most fans like, but they jump all over ones they don't want to accept for whatever reason. -M Different Cap
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Post by rberman on May 11, 2020 8:39:55 GMT -5
X-Men were my thing, and they have been quite the retcon spawning ground. Including:
- Jean Grey was never Phoenix. - Wolverine's claws are part of his body, not just his gloves. - Wolverine's claws are part of his mutation. - Wolverine's birth name is not Logan. He was born in the 19th century as James Howlett. - Wolverine is the son of Sabretooth and Seraph. - Wolverine was raised in an accelerated-time bubble as part of A.I.M. research on mutant-hunters. "Weapon X" means "Weapon Ten." - Xorn is not really ______ (detail omitted in case you somehow haven't read Morrison's run.) - Cyclops' need for angst is what prevents him from controlling his eye beams. - Cyclops' hitherto-unknown brother is a mutant hero. - Cyclops' parents didn't die in a plane crash. They were kidnapped by aliens! - Mr. Sinister orchestrated Cyclops' whole childhood. - After the original X-Men were captured on Krakoa, Xavier assembled a second, poorly trained rescue team that were all killed but one, another heretofore-unknown brother of Cyclops. - Madelyn Pryor is a clone of Jean Grey, not just a massive coincidence. (This one makes more sense actually) - Xavier's hitherto-unknown twin sister is also bald and also a powerful telepath. - Famed girl-chaser Iceman is gay. - Lockheed works for the U.S. government. - Colossus was not killed by the Legacy Virus. - Emma Frost did not die in her first encounter with the X-Men. - Nightcrawler's girlfriend Amanda is his foster sister Jimaine, which thrills him. - Nightcrawler's mother is Mystique. - Rogue's father is Mystique.
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Post by kirby101 on May 11, 2020 8:40:41 GMT -5
Taking away comic book white WWII Sgt. Fury/Agent of S.H.I.E.L.D. commander Nick Fury and replacing with black Nick Jr just because the MCU used Samuel L. Jackson. That one was weird because the comic book Ultimates Nick Fury WAS Sam Jackson. It was one of the coolest castings ever when he showed up in the Iron Man end scene. But then they had a different Fury in the MCU and decided to align it with the movies. Comics become movies become comics.
It was awkward.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2020 8:41:19 GMT -5
Captain America got frozen in WWII? Then who was that fighting "Commies" in the Red Scare era after WWII? Who's going to believe someone can survive by being froze in a block of ice in the ocean and how you going to explain how he was fighting the god fight after the war while being frozen in the ocean? Why that change? Maybe because wild changes that spark new stories (though some don't actually make sense to many fans) have always been part of the comic book super-hero landscape. There's always been changes like that. Nobody blinks an eye when those changes result in something most fans like, but they jump all over ones they don't want to accept for whatever reason. -M Different Cap Not when they were publishing those post-WWII stories. Again why change it a decade (or two) later to make it a different Cap? Again changes "we" like good no one blinks an eye and creators get applauded for innovation. Changes "we" don't like get lampooned and creators get reviled as hacks who can't work in continuity or don't care about it. It boils down to fickle fandom reactions essentially. -M
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Post by brutalis on May 11, 2020 8:43:31 GMT -5
I liked the idea of different characters having "played" Captain America when he was supposedly killed. Inspired concept to replace him with other Patriotic heroes taking on his mantle as it is true: the Government wouldn't want the world to think that Captain America could die or be killed.
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Post by codystarbuck on May 11, 2020 9:33:50 GMT -5
I liked the idea of different characters having "played" Captain America when he was supposedly killed. Inspired concept to replace him with other Patriotic heroes taking on his mantle as it is true: the Government wouldn't want the world to think that Captain America could die or be killed. Except, that came about because of Roy Thomas and Steve Englehart trying to fix the problems created by having Cap frozen in ice, when his comic book stories ran until after the war and were revived, briefly, in the 50s. They just couldn't let it be that those stories didn't exist.
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