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Post by MDG on Jan 11, 2015 16:46:55 GMT -5
I have never read any Dell or Gold Key comics...are there any series worth reading? Keep in mind I am not a fan of reading anything Disney or cartoon. Ghost Stories from Dell and Boris Karloff Tales of Mystery and Ripley's Beleive It or Not from Gold Key have some good stories and are much creepier than Dc's watered down "mystery" titles in the 60s.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2015 21:19:32 GMT -5
I have never read any Dell or Gold Key comics...are there any series worth reading? Keep in mind I am not a fan of reading anything Disney or cartoon. Brain Boy. Doctor Solar. The Occult Files of Doctor Spektor. M.A.R.S. Patrol Total War. Magnus, Robot Fighter. Mighty Samson. Space Family Robinson (came out before TV's Lost in Space). Turok, Son of Stone
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Jan 11, 2015 22:03:00 GMT -5
Thanks! I doubt I will hunt these down but I just wanted to know what series generally have decent stories/artwork because every so often I see them in long boxes or a get a few in lots that I buy. Normally I pass on them (usually because they are beat up) but I will look out for some. An issue of Neutro #1 caught my eye recently and had such a cool cover I wanted to see what other titles people would suggest.
Now, another question. How is Black Orchid by Neil Gaiman. I enjoy Gaiman tremendously and the fact this 3 issue mini series that I have my eye on is dirt cheap I am very tempted to pick it up, despite zero knowledge of this character. Plus McKean's art looks fantastic!
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Post by hondobrode on Jan 11, 2015 22:54:43 GMT -5
Thanks! I doubt I will hunt these down but I just wanted to know what series generally have decent stories/artwork because every so often I see them in long boxes or a get a few in lots that I buy. Normally I pass on them (usually because they are beat up) but I will look out for some. An issue of Neutro #1 caught my eye recently and had such a cool cover I wanted to see what other titles people would suggest. Now, another question. How is Black Orchid by Neil Gaiman. I enjoy Gaiman tremendously and the fact this 3 issue mini series that I have my eye on is dirt cheap I am very tempted to pick it up, despite zero knowledge of this character. Plus McKean's art looks fantastic! Haven't read it since it came out but I remember liking it. It was good enough to inspire DC to follow with a Vertigo series of her own.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jan 12, 2015 0:14:17 GMT -5
Thanks! I doubt I will hunt these down but I just wanted to know what series generally have decent stories/artwork because every so often I see them in long boxes or a get a few in lots that I buy. Normally I pass on them (usually because they are beat up) but I will look out for some. An issue of Neutro #1 caught my eye recently and had such a cool cover I wanted to see what other titles people would suggest. Now, another question. How is Black Orchid by Neil Gaiman. I enjoy Gaiman tremendously and the fact this 3 issue mini series that I have my eye on is dirt cheap I am very tempted to pick it up, despite zero knowledge of this character. Plus McKean's art looks fantastic! If it's dirt cheap, it's well worth it for McKean's art. It's been eons since I've read it but it's okay as I recall...but far from Gaiman's best.
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Post by Dizzy D on Jan 12, 2015 5:08:09 GMT -5
It's basically an origin story for Black Orchid with appearances from every plant-related character in the DC universe. Great art, some interesting writing, but like Slam said it misses the things that makes Gaiman's other works interesting.
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Post by fanboystranger on Jan 12, 2015 11:22:42 GMT -5
Yeah, I'll third Black Orchid. You can see hints at the writer that Neil will become, but McKean is the real star of the show at this point. It also just sort of abruptly ends.
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Post by MDG on Jan 12, 2015 11:48:55 GMT -5
The McKean art is nice as art, but lack in the storytelling department.
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Post by fanboystranger on Jan 12, 2015 13:55:23 GMT -5
The McKean art is nice as art, but lack in the storytelling department. I definitely agree as far as Black Orchid. Dave certainly has problems depicting action and movement, and his transitions often make his work challenging to follow. However, I think part of the problem is that Dave doesn't seem to have the same storytelling priorities we'd normally see in a well-done superhero comic. His work has a strange meandering quality to it, and it follows a certain dream-like logic that enhances everyday moments into something portentious and poweful. That works beautifully in books like Mr Punch and Violent Cases where we're dealing with a young boy's view of the world he comprehends but doesn't quite understand, but despite being gorgeous, his art is not particularly effective when trying to establish the cause and effect model that most superhero/action comics work on (as in Arkham Asylum and Black Orchid-- I'll give Hellblazer 40 a pass because John is supposed to be tripping on mushrooms). Instead, we get a lot of creepy, surreal atmosphere, but not all that much forward movement as far the story. I guess Neil and Dave share a belief that it's not so much the destination as the journey itself, but I'm not sure that works all that well in a genre founded on action.
I'd contrast that with Sienkiewicz' art, which also can be difficult to follow, but has this very visceral urgency to it from panel to panel. If Dave's art is like a meadering river that's going to get somewhere eventually, Bill's is a waterfall that charges forward under the power of its own momentum. That's why even though it looks quite different from your usual superhero/action art, Sienkiewicz' art actually works wonderfully for superhero/action stories.
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Post by paulie on Jan 12, 2015 14:03:53 GMT -5
The McKean art is nice as art, but lack in the storytelling department. I definitely agree as far as Black Orchid. Dave certainly has problems depicting action and movement, and his transitions often make his work challenging to follow. However, I think part of the problem is that Dave doesn't seem to have the same storytelling priorities we'd normally see in a well-done superhero comic. His work has a strange meandering quality to it, and it follows a certain dream-like logic that enhances everyday moments into something portentious and poweful. That works beautifully in books like Mr Punch and Violent Cases where we're dealing with a young boy's view of the world he comprehends but doesn't quite understand, but despite being gorgeous, his art is not particularly effective when trying to establish the cause and effect model that most superhero/action comics work on (as in Arkham Asylum and Black Orchid-- I'll give Hellblazer 40 a pass because John is supposed to be tripping on mushrooms). Instead, we get a lot of creepy, surreal atmosphere, but not all that much forward movement as far the story. I guess Neil and Dave share a belief that it's not so much the destination as the journey itself, but I'm not sure that works all that well in a genre founded on action.
I'd contrast that with Sienkiewicz' art, which also can be difficult to follow, but has this very visceral urgency to it from panel to panel. If Dave's art is like a meadering river that's going to get somewhere eventually, Bill's is a waterfall that charges forward under the power of its own momentum. That's why even though it looks quite different from your usual superhero/action art, Sienkiewicz' art actually works wonderfully for superhero/action stories.
Hellblazer 40 made my Classic Comics Christmas this year. However, I agree with everything you say about McKean's storytelling and Sienkiewicz.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 12, 2015 15:06:55 GMT -5
I thought McKean's art worked really well for Arkham Asylum... the mood created was perfect for walking through the minds of insane criminals, IMO.
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Post by fanboystranger on Jan 12, 2015 15:12:46 GMT -5
I thought McKean's art worked really well for Arkham Asylum... the mood created was perfect for walking through the minds of insane criminals, IMO. Oh, the atmosphere is fantastic. No doubt about that. It's following the action that can be challenging in places.
I love it, though. I know Morrison isn't that fond of McKean's work on the book, but I think he's completely off on that.
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Post by Jesse on Jan 13, 2015 9:44:02 GMT -5
After reading Astro City volume 1 (issues #1-6) will I be okay just reading volumes 2 and 3 or should I also read all the mini series and one-shots?
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 13, 2015 9:48:21 GMT -5
It's all pretty self-contained, you could read them pretty much in any order, with the exception of the Confessor arc.. that one's referenced later.
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Post by fanboystranger on Jan 13, 2015 12:32:02 GMT -5
After reading Astro City volume 1 (issues #1-6) will I be okay just reading volumes 2 and 3 or should I also read all the mini series and one-shots? Yeah, you can pretty much jump in anywhere on AC. Very few reoccuring plot lines outside of Confession and The Dark Age. ( Dark Age probably should be read in order, and in tandem with the Silver Agent specials.)
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