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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2020 21:09:38 GMT -5
I know LSH fans hate her. . but she has always been my favorite non-Leginnaire character.  and actually, I loved the design work of most of the Legion Academy: Lamprey:  and Nightwind too  |
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Post by MWGallaher on Jul 23, 2020 21:35:33 GMT -5
I consider him a big star in the 1940s. Only Cei-U! could ever convince me that he was ever a top character. Well, Plastic Man ran through 1956, leaving the stands right when the Challengers of the Unknown debuted, one of the only non-DC superheroes to last from the Golden Age to near the start of the Silver. But I think the biggest evidence of Plas's popularity was that he was one of the few superheroes parodied in the original Mad comics |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 23, 2020 21:46:41 GMT -5
My favorite second tier character is Hawkeye. But I only ever liked him in the context as an Avengers member in The original team, I hated him in the West Coast title and the Thunderbolts.
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Post by berkley on Jul 23, 2020 22:10:28 GMT -5
Most of my favourite Marvel/DC characters would fall under this category:
Doctor Strange
the Black Panther
Thena, the Reject, Karkas (all from the Eternals)
Orion, Barda (from the New Gods)
Mantis
the Inhumans
Moondragon
Moon Knight
Shang Chi and most of the supporting cast from MoKF
etc
not counting villains - I suppose they would mostly be considered 2nd tier apart from one or two like Darkseid or Dr. Doom.
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Post by Batflunkie on Jul 23, 2020 22:16:56 GMT -5
Probably any number of heroes from Malibu's Ultraverse and Valiant. Namely Shadowman, Bloodshot, Eternal Warrior, Turok, Prototype, Hardcase, and Nightman. Does the fact that they're titles from independent make them second or third tier stars? Who's to say?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2020 22:19:57 GMT -5
Most of my favourite Marvel/DC characters would fall under this category: Me too. Doctor Strange Ulysses Bloodstone Ghost Rider Black Panther Ka-Zar Shanna Doctor Fate The Spectre The Phantom Stranger Zatanna Madame Xanadu Hawkman Hawkwoman Hawkgirl Green Arrow Black Canary The Question Tor etc. As for indy stuff, most of them exist in their own universe and so are top tier in that universe, you really only get second and third tier in a shared universe. Maybe Uncle Scrooge? Would he be top tier or only Mickey, Donald, Goofy for Disney? -M |
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Post by coinilius on Jul 23, 2020 22:35:21 GMT -5
I’m pretty sure Uncle Scrouge wOils count as top tier, especially thanks to the various Ducktales cartoons and the works of artists like Carl Barks and Don Rosa.
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Post by beccabear67 on Jul 23, 2020 23:59:40 GMT -5
To me a second tier character would've never had more than a short series (six issues or less) starring them alone. '70s-'80s Marvel: Tigra, Jack Of Hearts, Darkstar, Mockingbird, Paladin, The Falcon, Frog-Man, Black Cat, Drax, Firestar, Namorita, Hellcat. Frog-Man...  |
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Post by berkley on Jul 24, 2020 0:12:34 GMT -5
Most of my favourite Marvel/DC characters would fall under this category: Me too. Doctor Strange Ulysses Bloodstone Ghost Rider Black Panther Ka-Zar Shanna Doctor Fate The Spectre The Phantom Stranger Zatanna Madame Xanadu Hawkman Hawkwoman Hawkgirl Green Arrow Black Canary The Question Tor etc. As for indy stuff, most of them exist in their own universe and so are top tier in that universe, you really only get second and third tier in a shared universe. Maybe Uncle Scrooge? Would he be top tier or only Mickey, Donald, Goofy for Disney? -M Bloodstone was such a great concept. Too bad it was so haphazardly scattered amongst different magazines and series, a back-up in one place, an issue in an antholgy series in another, .... It's the kind of thing that should be ripe for a re-invention or re-telling from the beginning. Perferably in its own universe, or at least with minimal contact with the superhero shenannigans of the MU. |
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Post by berkley on Jul 24, 2020 0:24:25 GMT -5
To me a second tier character would've never had more than a short series (six issues or less) starring them alone. '70s-'80s Marvel: Tigra, Jack Of Hearts, Darkstar, Mockingbird, Paladin, The Falcon, Frog-Man, Black Cat, Drax, Firestar, Namorita, Hellcat. Frog-Man... Frog Man: terrible costume design but one of my favourite Daredevil scenes was when he was in court in civilian clothes in whatever issue that was - somewhere around the DD#20s, I think. Stan Lee's dialogue for him in combination with Colan's artwork perfectly captured the idea of this tough hood you didn't want to mess with - even though he was never any great shakes as a super-villain.
Couldn't find an image of the scene I'm thinking of but little moments like that make me wish there had been room for a straight crime or detective series back in those superhero-crazy days. Colan would have been the perfect artist for it and I'm sure Stan could have written a pretty good imitation of Mickey Spillane or what have you.
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Post by Bronze age andy on Jul 24, 2020 1:53:13 GMT -5
Sub Mariner (sad that he is a second tier character)
Quasar (Wendell Vaughn)
Nighthawk (Kyle Richmond)
Red Wolf (I wish some writer could find a long term place for him)
Blue Beetle (Ted Kord)
Mr. Terrific (Michael Holt)
Sunfire
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Post by Cei-U! on Jul 24, 2020 6:30:11 GMT -5
I’m pretty sure Uncle Scrouge wOils count as top tier, especially thanks to the various Ducktales cartoons and the works of artists like Carl Barks and Don Rosa. ...especially considering that, in the late '50s/early '60s, Uncle Scrooge was the bestselling comic book in America. As for my own favorites, here are a few:
DC
The Atomic Knights Bat-Mite
The Demon Dr. Fate
Dolphin
Jack o' Lantern (from The Global Guardians)
The Legion of Substitute Heroes The Legion of Super-Pets The Martian Manhunter Mr. Terrific (Michael Holt)
The Phantom Stranger
Ragman The Spectre
The Vigilante (Greg Saunders) Wildcat
Marvel
Brother Voodoo
Hawkeye
Howard the Duck
Ka-Zar Kull
Machine Man The Man-Thing Mockingbird
Razorback Shang-Chi
Shanna the She-Devil Stingray The Sub-Mariner Sunfire The Zombie
Other
Asterix Badger
Cannon (Wally Wood character)
The Cave Kids Crossfire
The Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers
Li'l Bad Wolf Madman
Magnus, Robot Fighter
Mr. & Mrs. J. Evil Scientist Mr. Justice Nexus
Sam & Max, Freelance Police
Scamp Supersnipe
Cei-U! I summon the awesome obscurities!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2020 9:57:47 GMT -5
Asterix Cei-U! I summon the awesome obscurities! If we're going by sales, and Asterix albums sell in the millions of copies still in Europe, outselling any American character or comic, is he a second tier character? -M |
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Post by Cei-U! on Jul 24, 2020 11:08:37 GMT -5
Asterix Cei-U! I summon the awesome obscurities! If we're going by sales, and Asterix albums sell in the millions of copies still in Europe, outselling any American character or comic, is he a second tier character? =M Probably not, but I wanted to give one of my faves a shout out.
Cei-U! I summon the ulterior motive!
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Post by dbutler69 on Jul 24, 2020 12:06:58 GMT -5
I know LSH fans hate her. . but she has always been my favorite non-Leginnaire character. and actually, I loved the design work of most of the Legion Academy: Lamprey: and Nightwind too Actually, I kinda liked Comet Queen. |
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