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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 28, 2020 18:37:39 GMT -5
I was thinking about the Run killer thread and what makes a killer, is a key issue. can you name a series that is filled with pricey key issues?
I nominate Thor.
JIM # 83 First Thor
JIM # 85 first Loki
JIM # 102 First Hela
JIM # 103 first Enchantress/ Executioner
JIM # 107 first Grey Gargoyle
JIM # 112 First Thor/ Hulk Battle
JIM # 114 first Absorbing man
JIM # 118 first Destroyer
JIM # 119 first Warriors Three
JIM Annual # 1 - First Hercules
Thor # 127- first Pluto
Thor # 134- first High Evolutionary
Thor # 137- First Ulik
Thor # 154 First Mangog
Thor # 165 first Him
Thor # 169 Origin of Galactus
Thor # 225 - First Firelord
Thor # 337 First Beta Ray Bill
Thor # 347 First Kurse
Thor # 391 First Eric Masterson
Thor # 411 First New Warriors
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Post by shaxper on Jul 28, 2020 18:42:27 GMT -5
I'd always assumed Fantastic Four.
1st Marvel Age comic
1st Dr. Doom
1st Silver Age Sub-mariner
1st Stan and Jack (as characters)
1st Watcher
1st Black Panther
1st Silver Surfer
1st Galactus
1st Inhumans
And I'm sure a ton more that I'm missing.
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Post by beccabear67 on Jul 28, 2020 18:59:15 GMT -5
Off the top of my head I would think DC's Showcase...
1st Flash, 1st Green Lantern, 1st Challengers Of The Unknown, 1st Metal Men, 1st Atom, 1st Hawk & Dove... 1st Creeper, Tommy Tomorrow, Phantom Stranger, Adam Strange, Anthro, Sea Devils, New Doom Patrol...
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 28, 2020 19:07:19 GMT -5
Key Avengers issues
First Avengers
First SA Captain America
First Wonderman
First Kang
First Masters of Evil
First Powerman
First Swordsman
First Bill Foster
First Red Guardian
First SA black Knight
First Grim Reaper
First Ultron
First Vision
First Yellowjacket
First Squadron Supreme
First Invaders
First Arkon
First Redwolf
First Valkrie
First Mantis
First Zodiac
First Hellcat
First Jocasta
First Taskmaster
First Nebula
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Post by The Captain on Jul 28, 2020 19:22:47 GMT -5
I nominate The Amazing Spider-Man
ASM #2 - First Vulture
ASM #3 - First Doctor Octopus
ASM #4 - First Sandman
ASM #6 - First Lizard
ASM #9 - First Electro
ASM #13 - First Mysterio
ASM #14 - First Green Goblin
ASM #15 - First Kraven the Hunter
ASM Annual #1 - First Sinister Six
ASM #20 - First Scorpion
ASM #41 - First Rhino
ASM #46 - First Shocker
ASM #50 - First Kingpin
ASM #78 - First Prowler (F copy sold on eBay last week, unslabbed, for over $70)
ASM #101 - First Morbius
ASM #102 - Second Morbius (mid-grade copy, unslabbed, sold on eBay last week for $51)
ASM #121 - Death of Gwen Stacy
ASM #122 - Death of Green Goblin
ASM #129 - First Punisher
ASM #135 - Second Punisher (mid-grade copy, unslabbed, sold on eBay 2 days ago for $87)
ASM #149 - First Spider-Man Clone
ASM #194 - First Black Cat
ASM #212 - First Hydro-Man (this can go for upwards of #30. Who knew?)
ASM #238 - First Hobgoblin
ASM #252 - First Black Costume in ASM
ASM #298 - First Todd McFarlane art in ASM
ASM #299 - First Venom Appearance (cameo)
ASM #300 - First Venom Appearance (full)
ASM #316 - Second ASM Appearance of Venom (seeing high-grade copies selling for upwards of $80 on eBay)
ASM #344 - First Cletus Kasady (around $25)
ASM #361 - First Carnage
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Post by brutalis on Jul 28, 2020 19:35:27 GMT -5
Damn guys. I'm unemployed at the moment and not have the time to try and compose such lists. You folks are "CRAZY" I must say.
But, just tossing out the idea that maybe Superman and Batman may qualify just by defacto their being around and published for so long? Between 1st appearances and key characters and moments they could overwhelm everyone else? Just saying...
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Post by The Captain on Jul 28, 2020 20:07:58 GMT -5
Damn guys. I'm unemployed at the moment and not have the time to try and compose such lists. You folks are "CRAZY" I must say. What's really sad is, I did almost that entire list off the top of my head in less than 10 minutes, outside of checking the prices that I quoted and confirming the first appearances of Prowler and Hydro-Man. Less "CRAZY", more "COMPLETELY PATHETIC" that I store that much useless knowledge (or "junk", as my wife calls it) in my brain. |
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Post by chadwilliam on Jul 28, 2020 21:22:09 GMT -5
Off the top of my head I would think DC's Showcase... 1st Flash, 1st Green Lantern, 1st Challengers Of The Unknown, 1st Metal Men, 1st Atom, 1st Hawk & Dove... 1st Creeper, Tommy Tomorrow, Phantom Stranger, Adam Strange, Anthro, Sea Devils, New Doom Patrol... I'd go with this. Brave and the Bold puts in a respectable showing as well. 1st JLA, 1st Suicide Squad, 1st Teen Titans, 1st Silver Age Hawkman, 1st Metamorpho, 1st Bronze Age Green Arrow, 1st Neal Adams on Batman, 1st Batman and the Outsiders. Not a bad showing for a title whose first 25 issues consist of Robin Hood, Viking Prince, and The Silent Knight, and was mostly a Batman team-up title for the rest of its run. |
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Post by chadwilliam on Jul 28, 2020 21:32:33 GMT -5
Damn guys. I'm unemployed at the moment and not have the time to try and compose such lists. You folks are "CRAZY" I must say. But, just tossing out the idea that maybe Superman and Batman may qualify just by defacto their being around and published for so long? Between 1st appearances and key characters and moments they could overwhelm everyone else? Just saying... If we were nominating single issues with the most key moments, Batman #1 might be the most significant boasting not only The Joker's first appearance but his second as well, plus The Catwoman's first. Batman #1 also recounts Batman's origin (for the second time, but still an important moment). As a matter of fact, I believe that Robin's debut was also scheduled for that issue until it was bumped to Detective Comics instead. Even the least important tale in that comic is regarded as a classic (the Hugo Strange outing which might be his most famous golden age appearance perhaps more for Batman's "much as I hate to take a human life..." gunning down monsters scene than for anything else). |
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Post by tarkintino on Jul 29, 2020 6:43:13 GMT -5
I nominate The Amazing Spider-Man
ASM #2 - First Vulture ASM #3 - First Doctor Octopus ASM #4 - First Sandman ASM #6 - First Lizard ASM #9 - First Electro ASM #13 - First Mysterio ASM #14 - First Green Goblin ASM #15 - First Kraven the Hunter ASM Annual #1 - First Sinister Six ASM #20 - First Scorpion ASM #41 - First Rhino ASM #46 - First Shocker ASM #50 - First Kingpin ASM #78 - First Prowler (F copy sold on eBay last week, unslabbed, for over $70) ASM #101 - First Morbius ASM #102 - Second Morbius (mid-grade copy, unslabbed, sold on eBay last week for $51) ASM #121 - Death of Gwen Stacy ASM #122 - Death of Green Goblin ASM #129 - First Punisher ASM #135 - Second Punisher (mid-grade copy, unslabbed, sold on eBay 2 days ago for $87) ASM #149 - First Spider-Man Clone ASM #194 - First Black Cat ASM #212 - First Hydro-Man (this can go for upwards of #30. Who knew?) ASM #238 - First Hobgoblin ASM #252 - First Black Costume in ASM ASM #298 - First Todd McFarlane art in ASM ASM #299 - First Venom Appearance (cameo) ASM #300 - First Venom Appearance (full) ASM #316 - Second ASM Appearance of Venom (seeing high-grade copies selling for upwards of $80 on eBay) ASM #344 - First Cletus Kasady (around $25) ASM #361 - First Carnage While I do not agree with all of your choices, The Amazing Spider-Man cannot be matched with its number of key, "most important" issues, especially from the mid-60s - early 70s. No other Marvel title comes close. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 29, 2020 6:46:53 GMT -5
I think I have to disagree with that statement. Team books like Avengers and FF introduced characters that spilled over onto other Books. Some of those characters have gone on to be used in The Marvel film a and have jacked up the back issue prices. Spider-man has many first appearances but I dare say that the prowler is a minor character and not worth noting.
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Post by tarkintino on Jul 29, 2020 6:51:31 GMT -5
Off the top of my head I would think DC's Showcase... 1st Flash, 1st Green Lantern, 1st Challengers Of The Unknown, 1st Metal Men, 1st Atom, 1st Hawk & Dove... 1st Creeper, Tommy Tomorrow, Phantom Stranger, Adam Strange, Anthro, Sea Devils, New Doom Patrol... Excellent choice. Often, people will overlook the anthology / "try-out" titles, but some of the most historic stories ever published can be found in that kind of title, particularly at DC, where its not just Showcase, but More Fun Comics, which introduced no less than Aquaman, Green Arrow and Speedy, The Spectre, Superboy, Johnny Quick and Doctor Fate, among others. That's a powerhouse title of key issues. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 29, 2020 7:12:02 GMT -5
Off the top of my head I would think DC's Showcase... 1st Flash, 1st Green Lantern, 1st Challengers Of The Unknown, 1st Metal Men, 1st Atom, 1st Hawk & Dove... 1st Creeper, Tommy Tomorrow, Phantom Stranger, Adam Strange, Anthro, Sea Devils, New Doom Patrol... I think we can close the thread right now!  Very good call, beccabear67. |
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Post by The Captain on Jul 29, 2020 13:18:28 GMT -5
I think I have to disagree with that statement. Team books like Avengers and FF introduced characters that spilled over onto other Books. Some of those characters have gone on to be used in The Marvel film a and have jacked up the back issue prices. Spider-man has many first appearances but I dare say that the prowler is a minor character and not worth noting. Maybe the Prowler is a "minor character", but the prior issue goes for $30 mid-grade and the following issue goes for $15 mid-grade, so regardless of how minor Hobie Brown's alter-ego may be, his first appearance sells for more than twice what issue #77 does and almost 5x what issue #79 does. It's obvious people are willing to pay a premium for that book, and isn't that what the original question was, inquiring about pricy "run killing" key issues? It certainly goes for more than the first appearance of Algrim, who becomes Kurse ($20 in high grade) or Eric Masterson ($5). |
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Post by beccabear67 on Jul 29, 2020 13:23:46 GMT -5
As a '70s-centric fan, as far as collecting I would personally find Amazing Spider-Man the most daunting financially... it seems like those Punisher issues are very pricey for someone who doesn't really dig the character that much, and the deaths of Gwen and the Green Gobin while once seeming real important seem a lot less so now, so went with the Marvel tales reprints (same for the first Man Wolf two-parter). I'm not sure if I could even afford the two '70s issues with Nightcrawler which I'd like to get (that Punisher guy again). I got really lucky with #200, and I did okay on #194 the first Black Cat, which is a character I wanted to collect. #201 and 202, even 203 I'm likely not willing to pay the asking price on. Amazing looks destined to be my most incomplete '70s title.
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