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Post by foxley on May 3, 2014 20:55:12 GMT -5
At least Jim lee's characters have feet.
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Post by Randle-El on May 3, 2014 21:16:55 GMT -5
Even when comparing hand picked Liefeld, to run-of-the-mill Lee, Rob comes up short. And I could pretty easily distinguish them without looking at the signature. Well you're better at it than me, and that was hand picked Lee. Look at his overall body of work, has he ever illustrated a front to back hand painted comic? On average, they all look the same to me. On more than one occasion with the artists mentioned, I had to check either the signature or the credits on the inside cover to make sure it wasn't illustrated by Liefeld. Lee generally has a better command of anatomy. And while they share certain artistic affectations, Lee has shown more restraint in the degree to which he employs them than Liefeld has. From what I understand, Liefeld is completely self-taught while Lee has had some formal training. And for the most part, Lee seems to have retained much of the fan following that he had since the 80s and 90s, whereas a lot of people who used to like Liefeld's art as a kid have grown up and moved on. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2014 21:57:10 GMT -5
Lee seems to have retained much of the fan following that he had since the 80s and 90s, whereas a lot of people who used to like Liefeld's art as a kid have grown up and moved on. That was kind of my point. To me they look pretty much exactly the same, to Liefeld's harshest critics, Lee is the pinnacle of good art. It's just odd. |
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Post by Icctrombone on May 3, 2014 22:01:20 GMT -5
Don't beat me up for this, but: I don't like that Divine Right cover. Nobody likes that Divine Right cover. Jim Lee is probably wishing it would go away. Oh man... The last time a cover was discussed a whole forum went down like the titanic... |
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Post by Hoosier X on May 3, 2014 22:34:24 GMT -5
Nobody likes that Divine Right cover. Jim Lee is probably wishing it would go away. Oh man... The last time a cover was discussed a whole forum went down like the titanic... The Divine Right cover needs a tiny school bus and a pile of pink pastry boxes, and it would be perfect. |
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Post by Ozymandias on May 4, 2014 3:48:29 GMT -5
Well you're better at it than me, and that was hand picked Lee. Look at his overall body of work, has he ever illustrated a front to back hand painted comic? On average, they all look the same to me. On more than one occasion with the artists mentioned, I had to check either the signature or the credits on the inside cover to make sure it wasn't illustrated by Liefeld. I'm not sure I follow you here. Is that cover handpicked, or is it representative of his overall body of work? |
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Post by Ozymandias on May 4, 2014 4:02:28 GMT -5
Don't beat me up for this, but: I don't like that Divine Right cover. It's not one that would pick up my interest. But if the interior art were likewise, I wouldn't me automatically repelled. Can't say the same for Rob. |
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Post by Ozymandias on May 4, 2014 4:04:04 GMT -5
Lee generally has a better command of anatomy. And while they share certain artistic affectations, Lee has shown more restraint in the degree to which he employs them than Liefeld has. From what I understand, Liefeld is completely self-taught while Lee has had some formal training. And for the most part, Lee seems to have retained much of the fan following that he had since the 80s and 90s, whereas a lot of people who used to like Liefeld's art as a kid have grown up and moved on. You beat me to it. |
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Post by Ozymandias on May 4, 2014 4:07:40 GMT -5
That was kind of my point. To me they look pretty much exactly the same, to Liefeld's harshest critics, Lee is the pinnacle of good art. It's just odd. Lee isn't the pinnacle of good art but, unlike Liefeld, he can reach eyebrow-raising level. |
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Post by foxley on May 4, 2014 6:07:25 GMT -5
That was kind of my point. To me they look pretty much exactly the same, to Liefeld's harshest critics, Lee is the pinnacle of good art. It's just odd. Lee isn't the pinnacle of good art but, unlike Liefeld, he can reach eyebrow-raising level. And he can draw feet. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on May 4, 2014 6:19:56 GMT -5
That was kind of my point. To me they look pretty much exactly the same, to Liefeld's harshest critics, Lee is the pinnacle of good art. It's just odd. Lee isn't the pinnacle of good art but, unlike Liefeld, he can reach eyebrow-raising level. Liefeld's greatest quality as an artist, as far as I'm concerned, was the enthusiasm he brought to his early work; his What if..? issues were so full of energy that one didn 't notice the technical shortcomings. I can't say I care at all for the general style that he and Lee helped introduce in the early 90s, though. It was tremendously popular, but I thought it had far more flash than substance... And it made Lee & Liefeld imitators replace better and more seasoned artists. |
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Post by Fan of Bronze on May 4, 2014 6:58:43 GMT -5
Well you're better at it than me, and that was hand picked Lee. Look at his overall body of work, has he ever illustrated a front to back hand painted comic? On average, they all look the same to me. On more than one occasion with the artists mentioned, I had to check either the signature or the credits on the inside cover to make sure it wasn't illustrated by Liefeld. If you're going to damn an artist for never illustrating "a front to back hand painted comic," then you're going to be dismissing an awful lot of seriously talented comics artists. Artists that have not, to my recollection, done lengthy painted works include: Jack Kirby, Curt Swan, Will Eisner (though he did some covers late in life), Jim Steranko, Alex Toth, Wallace Wood, John Romita Sr., Brian Bolland, Dick Sprang, Neal Adams, John Severin, Harold Foster, Milton Caniff, Alex Raymond, and so on. Personally, I enjoy excellent cartoon art (i.e., art characterized by outlining characters and objects in black ink, as opposed to art characterized by modeling multi-colored light from three-dimensional objects). Liefeld, Lee, McFarlane, Larsen, and Turner (I don't know Booth's work), are all cartoonists. The problem with Liefeld isn't that he is a cartoonist; it is that he is a bad cartoonist. |
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Post by ironchimp on May 4, 2014 7:16:47 GMT -5
the story i heard it was rob's dad was really ill and he left school and got a job at DC at 16 to pay the medical bills. he then started inking his own work because he was indeed of a lot of cash for the hospital. so maximum respect. totally manned up when he was just a kid.
people give him grief but it was DC and Marvel who were employing him. they probably just saw all these young artists as cheap labour and they didnt seem to care much for their quality of their books.
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Post by Icctrombone on May 4, 2014 7:26:39 GMT -5
Liefeld and ANY professional has to get respect for lasting in an industry where there is a fast turnover rate. I can list great talents that can't get work- Steve Rude , Norm Breyfogle among the rest.
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Post by Icctrombone on May 4, 2014 7:28:29 GMT -5
I would love to see rude do some Marvel work.
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