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Post by Rob Allen on Jan 11, 2019 18:59:31 GMT -5
Oh no! We either have to fight it out in a mini-series with cross-over tie-ins now, or I'll just be the Earth 2 Blastshade.  There's only room for one person with the initials 'RA' on this planet! Maybe we'll have an annual crossover like the JLA and JSA did. Maybe at Emerald City Con in Seattle? |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 11, 2019 19:37:36 GMT -5
Oh no! We either have to fight it out in a mini-series with cross-over tie-ins now, or I'll just be the Earth 2 Blastshade. There's only room for one person with the initials 'RA' on this planet! Maybe we'll have an annual crossover like the JLA and JSA did. Maybe at Emerald City Con in Seattle? I'll just wait for a crisis. |
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Post by beccabear67 on Jan 11, 2019 19:52:18 GMT -5
Oh no! We either have to fight it out in a mini-series with cross-over tie-ins now, or I'll just be the Earth 2 Blastshade. There's only room for one person with the initials 'RA' on this planet! Maybe we'll have an annual crossover like the JLA and JSA did. Maybe at Emerald City Con in Seattle? It's okay, my initials are 'RJ'. For some reason both A and J are -shade. Yeah, I'll be the Earth 2 Blastshade, which I think means I can't handle wood but the color yellow isn't a problem. Who I really feel bad for is Marvin Fishwick who is Bladeblade. |
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Post by EdoBosnar on Jan 12, 2019 3:58:57 GMT -5
Who I really feel bad for is Marvin Fishwick who is Bladeblade. Tell me about it; at least his Earth 2 counterpart, Norman Fishwick, is called Blaydeblade... |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 15, 2019 6:15:24 GMT -5
Ran across this on my Facebook page.  I've always said and thought that maybe Liefeld isn't someone you like or you question his talent but he has fame and continues to do well in the comic industry. Is it luck ? At this point, it can't be. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 15, 2019 7:01:32 GMT -5
Ran across this on my Facebook page. I've always said and thought that maybe Liefeld isn't someone you like or you question his talent but he has fame and continues to do well in the comic industry. Is it luck ? At this point, it can't be. "I created Cable, Domino and Deadpool...." Um, so that's a Terminator clone, a pizza chain, and a different Terminator clone (as in Deathstroke the...). Rob's got a pretty broad definition of "created." Is it luck? Madonna's got an album out and getting attention of talk shows; but, hasn't exactly dominated the charts in some years. Some people are just able to hang on, regardless of any talent, knowing they will always have a certain level of success and then will try to add what they can with marketing. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 15, 2019 7:18:29 GMT -5
You're being a bit disingenuous by citing his creations as something unworthy of its fame because they are influenced by other media. The point is that they have sticking power to the tune of two major motion pictures. I can name other top artists that haven't created a thing of note that is still around.
John Romita Jr
Jim Aparo
John Byrne
These artists have more famous careers than Liefeld but haven't created anything that is still making money for the big two or is instrumental in any other forms of media.
As for the Madonna analogy, she started out as a creation of the MTV machine but has gone on to become a major musical entertainer in her own right. Again, I prefer to give people credit.
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Post by rberman on Jun 15, 2019 11:42:30 GMT -5
“New costume on an existing character” is not really the same as “influenced by other media,” though it is a continuum. All art builds on its predecessors to some degree. But most of the vitriol toward Liefeld is not about his characters but about his dismal grasp of anatomy. Whereas Byrne and Aparo are celebrated not for their characters’ mass market success, but for their art. Alas, artistic prowess does not translate to sales of Pop Vinyl bobble heads.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 15, 2019 12:00:38 GMT -5
I swear to you that I'm not a Liefeld apologist, But I don't see the similarity between Deathstroke and Deadpool. Sometimes the person with the least talent will rise above because he dares much more than a more gifted person.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jun 15, 2019 14:45:06 GMT -5
John Romita Jr Jim Aparo John Byrne Is that true? That can't be true. |
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Post by beccabear67 on Jun 15, 2019 15:46:03 GMT -5
I can't say for the other two but Byrne at least co-created Sabretooth, and added a fair bit to Wolverine who was still a bit of blank slate when Dave Cockrum was the artist, also co-creator of Dark Phoenix if you see that as slightly separate from Phoenix. But hey, look at all the Pucks that get manufactured, they sell loads of him!  |
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 15, 2019 16:40:51 GMT -5
Liefeld pretty much stated, at the beginning, that Deadpool was his version of Deathstroke. The writing of the character didn't mimic Deathstroke; but, the basic look and idea behind him was from Deathstroke.
I never said he wasn't worthy of fame or that his creations weren't; but, their use has as much to do with other people doing something with them than Liefeld's own work with them. I don't begrudge Liefeld his success, and have stated, in print, that some of his later era art showed some drastic improvement over what he was churning out in the late 80s and 90s. That said, like Kevin Smith, he can depend on a certain following, then his work rises or falls based on whether he or marketing people can draw in at least part of an additional audience.
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Post by tarkintino on Jun 15, 2019 19:17:31 GMT -5
Liefeld pretty much stated, at the beginning, that Deadpool was his version of Deathstroke. The writing of the character didn't mimic Deathstroke; but, the basic look and idea behind him was from Deathstroke. I never said he wasn't worthy of fame or that his creations weren't; but, their use has as much to do with other people doing something with them than Liefeld's own work with them. I don't begrudge Liefeld his success, and have stated, in print, that some of his later era art showed some drastic improvement over what he was churning out in the late 80s and 90s. That said, like Kevin Smith, he can depend on a certain following, then his work rises or falls based on whether he or marketing people can draw in at least part of an additional audience. Sharp, but true! |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Sept 7, 2019 4:59:57 GMT -5
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Post by codystarbuck on Sept 7, 2019 16:41:51 GMT -5
This is the same guy (Andrew Rev), who in the 90s, purchased the assets of Comico and restarted it, though about the only series he got outright was Elementals and he made a complete mess out of that, running the company right back into bankruptcy. As we used to say in the Navy, this guy couldn't coordinate a Port and Starboard watch rotation (2 watch sections; one on, one off) in a two-man life raft. |
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