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Post by Hoosier X on May 4, 2014 23:59:47 GMT -5
Oh dear. You haven't seen me discuss McFarlane. You wouldn't like me...when I discuss McFarlane Shax smash puny McFarlane fans -M That's just wrong, dude.
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Post by shaxper on May 5, 2014 0:00:43 GMT -5
Oh dear. You haven't seen me discuss McFarlane. You wouldn't like me...when I discuss McFarlane Shax smash puny McFarlane fans -M I have no words...
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Post by Crimebuster on May 5, 2014 0:00:59 GMT -5
McFarlane's Hulk looks like a huge walking tumor.
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Post by Icctrombone on May 5, 2014 0:04:55 GMT -5
Everybody take a breath. I love Don Heck. Got a closetful of his work. He's an enormous talent. Obviously. I was playfully ribbing my friend icctrombone. Mea culpa. See, my peeps are representing for Heck.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on May 5, 2014 0:08:25 GMT -5
I think Don Heck is way better a pure artist than Liefeld. However,I don't think Heck was really cut out for superhero strips.I thought he was much more natural on detective, western or romance strips he was doing before the Marvel age. Also unfortunately for him it seemed whenever a fan favorite artist left a Marvel book or a fill in was needed,it was Heck that stepped in. It was "What the Don Heck happened to so-and-so?"
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Post by Icctrombone on May 5, 2014 0:08:40 GMT -5
But Scott Harris brought up a good point, Many artists when they get older are beat up by the younger readers. I read that Kirby was being put down ( by the marvel Staffers) when he returned to Marvel in the late 70's.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2014 0:08:57 GMT -5
McFarlane's Hulk looks like a huge walking tumor. It certainly wasn't one of my favorite periods of the PAD run artistically. At the time I did like McFarlane's work on ASM, but once he started writing his own stuff avoided it like the plague. Looking back, I really don't like his stuff at all anymore, but he's not the only artist I feel that way about. Sometimes, the folly of youth prevails and you get caught up in the hype...and sometimes you take a step back and look at things more clearly. Same with Liefeld, I got caught up in the energy of his New Mutants stuff but by the time X-Force rolled around I was over it and his artwork. With Lee, I was never much of a fan, and the only thing of his I can say I really liked was the story he did in Vertigo's flinch. That said, I think the Image boys hit on a certain zeitgeist of the time and turned the industry on its head, just not really for the better. I'd say Image was a move towards creator rights, but McFarlane's track record on that is highly hypocritical (and one of the things I think sets Shax off about him). I like what Image has become, but I am not a fan of the work of its founders. -M
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Post by Hoosier X on May 5, 2014 0:10:46 GMT -5
Don Heck inked by Wally Wood in Avengers #19 and #20 (I think it's those two. Maybe there's more.) is really incredible. Somebody should put up some scans of that.
Cap's Kooky Kwartet rocked it in the mid-1960s.
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Post by Icctrombone on May 5, 2014 0:11:21 GMT -5
I loved his Avengers work from the beginning to when Buscema took over. Take a look at Avengers annual #2, beautiful book.
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Post by Icctrombone on May 5, 2014 0:12:08 GMT -5
McFarlane's Hulk looks like a huge walking tumor. It certainly wasn't one of my favorite periods of the PAD run artistically. At the time I did like McFarlane's work on ASM, but once he started writing his own stuff avoided it like the plague. Looking back, I really don't like his stuff at all anymore, but he's not the only artist I feel that way about. Sometimes, the folly of youth prevails and you get caught up in the hype...and sometimes you take a step back and look at things more clearly. Same with Liefeld, I got caught up in the energy of his New Mutants stuff but by the time X-Force rolled around I was over it and his artwork. With Lee, I was never much of a fan, and the only thing of his I can say I really liked was the story he did in Vertigo's flinch. That said, I think the Image boys hit on a certain zeitgeist of the time and turned the industry on its head, just not really for the better. I'd say Image was a move towards creator rights, but McFarlane's track record on that is highly hypocritical (and one of the things I think sets Shax off about him). I like what Image has become, but I am not a fan of the work of its founders. -M Except for Erik Larsen, he's the Jack Kirby of this era. Awesome action packed layouts and unpredictable stories.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on May 5, 2014 0:15:05 GMT -5
Don Heck inked by Wally Wood in Avengers #19 and #20 (I think it's those two. Maybe there's more.) is really incredible. Somebody should put up some scans of that. Cap's Kooky Kwartet rocked it in the mid-1960s. Wally Wood inking anyone makes it look incredible. Didn't he make Rick Estrada look fantastic in All Star Squadron as well?
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Post by Phil Maurice on May 5, 2014 0:18:09 GMT -5
so maybe this is just a matter of comics fans in the 70's and 80's having absolutely no clue what they were talking about. That's sadly a rather salient point. "Fan" is of course short-hand for "fanatic" and it's in that era that we seem to cross over from enthusiastic to dangerous in a variety of media, such that an old fashioned "I don't care for that" becomes "I must utterly destroy that and all that follow it." And the band played on.
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Post by Hoosier X on May 5, 2014 0:18:28 GMT -5
I like all of Heck's work. He did Batgirl, the Huntress, Wonder Woman, Hawkman and I don't know what-all way into the 1980s. Oh! Justice League! He did that for a while and it was great!
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Post by Phil Maurice on May 5, 2014 0:21:24 GMT -5
See, my peeps are representing for Heck. It's only because you're so darn cute.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2014 0:24:44 GMT -5
McFarlane's Hulk looks like a huge walking tumor. ...with pubic hair on his head.
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