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Post by Calidore on Feb 14, 2024 11:23:49 GMT -5
How much better for humanity would it have been if Manson had been a success as a singer-songwriter or pop musician and Hitler had been a success as an artist? Perhaps they would have vented their evil and insanity in harmless verbal feuds with critics or other artists. Are there any other historical parallels or examples of this kind? Didn't Stalin start out as a priest or something? But I haven't read enough about his background to know whetherthis was something he felt as a real calling or perhaps just another road to power to him,
Television would still have given them a big audience sooner or later, and people's unwillingness to reconsider once their guy's true nature is shown would have done the rest.
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Post by GoldenAge Heroes! on Feb 14, 2024 14:15:09 GMT -5
Always was a huge fan of the Monkees when I was a kid and certainly "The Monkee Show" was my top go-too re-run from yesteryear. Fun stuff. Some of those sexy ladies weren't too bad to look at either. I was definitely a "Day Dream Believer."  I loved The Monkees TV show as a kid in the 80s. They used to show it on Saturday morning kid's TV for years over here in the UK. I haven't really watched an episode since I was a lad, so I've no idea how it would hold up. I suspect that I'd appreciate it purely for the retro kitsch of it all, the mid-century footage in the location shots, and, of course, the music, even if the stories and acting was lacking. I also absolutely love the Monkees as a musical group. They may have been manufactured as a cynical Beatles copy for TV, but there was a ton of musical talent in that band. Plus, they had the cream of America's pop songwriters and L.A. studio musicians to help them create their records. I own their first 6 albums and a couple of "Best of..." compilations too. In particular, Headquarters and Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn & Jones Ltd. (both from 1967) are tremendous 60s pop albums. Of all the great music they released though, the Goffin-King written "Pleasant Valley Sunday" is pretty damn hard to beat... Sounds like we have some similarities my friend, although here in the US ( or Florida anyway ) The Monkees was on in the afternoons and Sunday mid-mornings, along with Fat Albert reruns. |
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Post by Batflunkie on Mar 15, 2024 19:20:28 GMT -5
Been watching the original Land Of The Lost recently and it's been pretty enjoyable. I like how it starts off as a light hearted action adventure show for kids and then episode 6 "The Stranger" hits. Almost immediately, something feels off. Will and Holly are bickering (even more so than a brother and sister usually do), then Enik The Altrusian appears, claiming to be an evolved Sleestak that can actually do more than hiss and the Marshall's can actually hold a conversation with him (and can we talk about how GREAT the look of the Sleestaks are? I'd go as far as to say that they're just as iconic as Cylons)
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 15, 2024 20:45:51 GMT -5
Been watching the original Land Of The Lost recently and it's been pretty enjoyable. I like how it starts off as a light hearted action adventure show for kids and then episode 6 "The Stranger" hits. Almost immediately, something feels off. Will and Holly are bickering (even more so than a brother and sister usually do), then Enik The Altrusian appears, claiming to be an evolved Sleestak that can actually do more than hiss and the Marshall's can actually hold a conversation with him (and can we talk about how GREAT the look of the Sleestaks are? I'd go as far as to say that they're just as iconic as Cylons) You mean the one written by Walter "Mr Chekhov" Koenig? David Gerrold, who wrote "The Trouble With Tribbles," for Star Trek, was the script editor, for the first season, and they had scripts from him, Norman Spinrad, Ben Bova, DC Fontana and Larry Niven. Theodore Sturgeon contributed a second season episode and so did Don Glut. 3rd season was where the Krofft's went really cheap. That was part of why I liked the first season, as you had the world building and the stuff in the Sleestack city, the pylons and such. I used to own a book about the Krofft shows and a lot of the Sleestacks were played by basketball players from USC and UCLA, because of the height, including Dave Greenwood, Bill Laimbeer and John Lambert. The book had a set phot of one of them, with the head piece off. Like most Saturday morning shows, the budgets were way below their prime time brethren and the live action shows more than animation. So, the actors weren't getting rich. However, they were merchandising the shows, with their images and they got no residuals from that. That was part of why Spencer Milligan left, after the second season, when they refused a pay raise or cut of the merchandising for the cast. Same thing happened with Filmation's Shazam tv series and with the Brady Kids cartoon, when some of them held out for more money, for the second season. Eve Plumb left and Jan was voiced by producer Lou Scheimer's daughter. |
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Post by Calidore on Mar 16, 2024 0:33:57 GMT -5
(and can we talk about how GREAT the look of the Sleestaks are? I'd go as far as to say that they're just as iconic as Cylons) And their marksmanship inspired that of the stormtroopers in Star Wars. |
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Post by Hoosier X on Apr 8, 2024 23:43:39 GMT -5
I got the first two discs for the Star Trek animated series from the library. The show was on Saturday mornings in 1973 and 1974. It has the voices of most of the cast of the original TV series.
I watched the first two episodes just now, before going to bed, and it’s actually very entertaining. It’s a lot like the show, just simplified to fit into a 22 minute time slot.
I sort of remember watching this when I was a kid. I was nine or 10. I don’t remember any of the plots, but I do remember it had all the voices, and I remember the cat girl, and I remember the turkey man with the arm sticking out of his chest.
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Post by berkley on Apr 9, 2024 0:59:33 GMT -5
I got the first two discs for the Star Trek animated series from the library. The show was on Saturday mornings in 1973 and 1974. It has the voices of most of the cast of the original TV series. I watched the first two episodes just now, before going to bed, and it’s actually very entertaining. It’s a lot like the show, just simplified to fit into a 22 minute time slot. I sort of remember watching this when I was a kid. I was nine or 10. I don’t remember any of the plots, but I do remember it had all the voices, and I remember the cat girl, and I remember the turkey man with the arm sticking out of his chest.
I only found out about this a few years ago and I've been very excited to see it ever since - or perhaps more accurately to listen to it, since it's the voices of the original cast that's the big draw for me. But I'm saving it for when I get into all things late-60s and early-70s in general. I've read about it a bit but I forget now - did they also have some of the writers from the original show?
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Post by EdoBosnar on Apr 9, 2024 1:58:08 GMT -5
I consider the animated series season four of the original.
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Post by Hoosier X on Apr 9, 2024 2:02:12 GMT -5
I got the first two discs for the Star Trek animated series from the library. The show was on Saturday mornings in 1973 and 1974. It has the voices of most of the cast of the original TV series. I watched the first two episodes just now, before going to bed, and it’s actually very entertaining. It’s a lot like the show, just simplified to fit into a 22 minute time slot. I sort of remember watching this when I was a kid. I was nine or 10. I don’t remember any of the plots, but I do remember it had all the voices, and I remember the cat girl, and I remember the turkey man with the arm sticking out of his chest.
I only found out about this a few years ago and I've been very excited to see it ever since - or perhaps more accurately to listen to it, since it's the voices of the original cast that's the big draw for me. But I'm saving it for when I get into all things late-60s and early-70s in general. I've read about it a bit but I forget now - did they also have some of the writers from the original show?
A quick look at the Wikipedia page shows that a lot of the episodes were written by screen writers from the original series. Including a Tribbles sequel written by David Gerrold, who wrote the Tribbles episode for TOS. |
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Post by EdoBosnar on Apr 9, 2024 7:46:28 GMT -5
A quick look at the Wikipedia page shows that a lot of the episodes were written by screen writers from the original series. Including a Tribbles sequel written by David Gerrold, who wrote the Tribbles episode for TOS. Even more importantly, Dorothy Fontana (script editor and writer for the original series) was basically the showrunner - I think she was credited as 'story editor' or something similar. She also wrote the Spock-centered episode "Yesteryear" which even fans more critical of the animated series consider canon. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 9, 2024 21:02:06 GMT -5
Star Trek TC (The Cartoon) is very good, with a caveat or two. Filmation was a lower budget outfit than Hanna-Barbera and they cut corners even more. That said, they usually put a lot of effort into the writing of their adventure series (the comedies were pretty mixed) and they tended to use good character designs. They also went to town on the backdrops, for the environments. With Star Trek, the bridge and the other Enterprise compartments look like the tv series and other environments are suitably alien and intriguing. Where they skimped with is figure animation and the use of stock shots and music cues. They also skimped on voice acting, though not here. The original cast, minus Walter Koenig is here and James Doohan voices both Scotty and Lt Arex, a new alien character and Majel Barrett voiced Nurse Chappel, the computer and M'Ress, the cat lady. Koenig did get to write and episode ("The Infinite Vulcan"). Also, Mark Lenard returned as Sarek (Majel Barrett voiced Amanda), and Roger C Carmel returned as Harry Mudd, while Stanley Adams returns as Cyrano Jones, vendor of Tribbles, in "More Tribbles, More Troubles."
The animation allowed for more alien designs, and an episode where everyone shrinks down to the size of a doll.
With all of that, you have to sit through a lot of stock shots and talking heads, with the same ship movements, the same character movement sequences, and shots of people running, in silhouette, in long shots, with very cartoony shapes. You also hear the same music cues cycling through episodes and have to put up with Lou Scheimer's bad line readings for some incidental characters, as in other Filmation shows.
Star Trek was their gold standard, until The New Adventures of Flash Gordon came along. For its time, its still pretty awesome.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2024 21:16:51 GMT -5
I have an even bigger appreciation for Star Trek: TAS since Lower Decks has used so many gags related to it over the first four seasons.
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Post by Hoosier X on Apr 11, 2024 19:19:22 GMT -5
I’m still watching Star Trek: The Animated Series. It is so much fun! Last night I watched the one where Lieutenant Uhura takes over the ship! And I just finished the sequel to The Trouble with Tribbles.
I remember the one with the tribbles now. Fighting the Klingons by transporting tribbles into the ship is definitely something I remember from watching the show when I was a kid.
I also remembered a few plot points of the one with the giant space cloud that is eating planets. I remember Spock establishing mental contact with the sentient cloud and convincing it that it shouldn’t consume other sentient individuals, no matter how small.
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Post by Confessor on Apr 11, 2024 21:41:59 GMT -5
I got the first two discs for the Star Trek animated series from the library. The show was on Saturday mornings in 1973 and 1974. It has the voices of most of the cast of the original TV series. I watched the first two episodes just now, before going to bed, and it’s actually very entertaining. It’s a lot like the show, just simplified to fit into a 22 minute time slot. I sort of remember watching this when I was a kid. I was nine or 10. I don’t remember any of the plots, but I do remember it had all the voices, and I remember the cat girl, and I remember the turkey man with the arm sticking out of his chest. I was always kinda fascinated by the Caitian crew member (think that's what the Cat folks were called) and was always sorry she didn't appear in the original series. In fact, back in the '80s, when I was into table top role-playing games, I had a male Caitian character that I was very fond of. I've watched odd episodes of the cartoon on YouTube over the years and it always holds up pretty well for a kid's cartoon (I'm not a cartoon guy at all as an adult). It was pretty well done and having the voices of most of the original cast gives it an air of gravitas that it likely wouldn't have had if new voice actors had been brought in. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 11, 2024 23:16:08 GMT -5
I got the first two discs for the Star Trek animated series from the library. The show was on Saturday mornings in 1973 and 1974. It has the voices of most of the cast of the original TV series. I watched the first two episodes just now, before going to bed, and it’s actually very entertaining. It’s a lot like the show, just simplified to fit into a 22 minute time slot. I sort of remember watching this when I was a kid. I was nine or 10. I don’t remember any of the plots, but I do remember it had all the voices, and I remember the cat girl, and I remember the turkey man with the arm sticking out of his chest. I was always kinda fascinated by the Caitian crew member (think that's what the Cat folks were called) and was always sorry she didn't appear in the original series. In fact, back in the '80s, when I was into table top role-playing games, I had a male Caitian character that I was very fond of. I've watched odd episodes of the cartoon on YouTube over the years and it always holds up pretty well for a kid's cartoon (I'm not a cartoon guy at all as an adult). It was pretty well done and having the voices of most of the original cast gives it an air of gravitas that it likely wouldn't have had if new voice actors had been brought in. Most of that is quite true; but, you do get stretches where the voice work from the actors is so flat, you start to succumb to boredom, before they kick in with some action or something. Filmation often had very bad voice direction and sometimes the actors were experienced enough to still make it work and other times, especially with actors who had never worked in radio or did a lot of voice work, they sounded very flat, because they were reading their lines from the script. Hanna-Barbera tended to be better at it; but, they also used a lot of radio-trained actors. Filmation had quite a few, in the 60s and early 70s; but, they also used some actors from outside, like when they did the Brady Kids cartoons and the two Gilligan's Island series. The Brady Kids, for the first season of episodes had the original child cast; but, some of them held out for more money, for the second season and were replaced by Lou Scheimer's kids. Scheimer, himself, used to do a lot of incidental voices and some of the high pitched comedy characters, like Bat-Mite, MO (Maintenance Operator, in Young Sentinels/Space Sentinels) and Orko (He-Man). Usually, their veteran voice artists were pretty good, like Jane Webb, Ted Knight (the 60s DC cartoons) and some others. For the Superman cartoons, they used Bud Collyer and Joan Alexander, who voiced Superman/Clark Kent and Lois Lane, in the 1940s Fleischer Superman cartoons. With the Archie series, they had a lot of radio-trained actors, like Howard Morris (who also did the Andy Griffith Show and worked on Sid Cesar's shows). One of the best contrasts in quality voice direction and less skillful, I found, was in the 90s, when Batman The Animated Series was going and the Spider-Man animated series started up, on Fox, Saturday mornings. Batman had Andrea Romano, who got amazing performances out of actors with little voice experience and used veterans well. By contrast, Spider-Man also used non-voice actors, with mixed results. Ed Asner did both series and was sooooo much better on BTAS, that you had to believe that the voice direction was a key factor. |
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