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Post by BigPapaJoe on Apr 21, 2021 5:36:09 GMT -5
Honestly, I am fine with changes seen so far in adapting Shang Chi to a movie. It makes more sense having Mandarin be his father since it keeps everything comic book related. Besides, how well known is Fu Manchu to anyone other than us oldsters? I can also accept the Martial Arts style that will be seen is different. Since Chi was based on 70's Kung Fu movies it does make sense that for modern fans he move and fight with styles which reflect modern Hong Kong cinema. Maybe after this big Showdown in defiance of Papa Mandarin we can get Shang into the Spy world for a 2nd movie. Along with Tarr, Reston and Leiko and Shen Kui the Cat and Rufus Midnight Carter on a mission. I'm not sure I want to live in a world where people are complaining that Fu Manchu isn't in the film if any older readers are in the first place. Oof. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Apr 21, 2021 8:17:16 GMT -5
It looks like every 70's Kung fu flick. I didn't see any fantastic elements that make it a Marvel movie. I think I'll pass. I mean, they had Foo Dogs, gravity defying water, glowing rings, and a lady in a straw hat moving like the wind. And Fin Fang Foom is supposed to be in the movie. Seems like it would fall under the category of fantastic elements to me. I didn’t see all that in the trailer that I watched. But even so, in the 70’s they had a Kung Fu movie where the fighters were running on tree tops and that doesn’t make it a Marvel movie anymore than floating water does. |
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Post by brutalis on Apr 21, 2021 8:36:27 GMT -5
If only this movie was made sooner. I want the 7 Deadly Venoms co-starring and doing the fights/stunts choreography!!!
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 21, 2021 14:57:59 GMT -5
I don't have an issue with not using Fu Manchu or any of the Rohmer stuff; but, would have liked to see it capture more of the Moench & Gulacy mixture of Bond and kung fu. What I see in the trailer looks like a dozen other HK action films. The closest we ever really got to what Moench & Gulacy were doing was Enter the Dragon, which inspired a lot of their take, in the first place. That is the stuff that made Shang Chi a cult hero instead of a generic martial arts swipe.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Apr 21, 2021 16:53:52 GMT -5
I mean, they had Foo Dogs, gravity defying water, glowing rings, and a lady in a straw hat moving like the wind. And Fin Fang Foom is supposed to be in the movie. Seems like it would fall under the category of fantastic elements to me. I didn’t see all that in the trailer that I watched. But even so, in the 70’s they had a Kung Fu movie where the fighters were running on tree tops and that doesn’t make it a Marvel movie anymore than floating water does. That's a funny take, because already this trailer has more fantastical elements than all three Captain America films had, or I'm guessing Black Window will have. Marvel is pretty diverse in it's content, while still all falling under a superhero banner. That's a good thing. And I don't see how a Marvel movie isn't a Marvel movie if it has people running on trees or floating water, but a magic space rock building an advanced tech society in Africa, super solider serum, or wizards guarding time gems fits the bill. Or does that not count too? If you aren't interested in the film cool, but to gatekeep and say it doesn't fit Marvel's wheelhouse is kinda nutty.  |
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Apr 21, 2021 17:18:11 GMT -5
I don't have an issue with not using Fu Manchu or any of the Rohmer stuff; but, would have liked to see it capture more of the Moench & Gulacy mixture of Bond and kung fu. What I see in the trailer looks like a dozen other HK action films. The closest we ever really got to what Moench & Gulacy were doing was Enter the Dragon, which inspired a lot of their take, in the first place. That is the stuff that made Shang Chi a cult hero instead of a generic martial arts swipe. I'm not surprised Marvel was more flexible with this character, since 99% of even the casual comic book fan barely know who Shang Chi is, let alone aspects about his character history. He might still get into the spy arena down the road. Perhaps with the story they wanted to tell with the Ten Rings and it's mysticism/The Mandarin, it would have divided the focus too much if you try to make it a spy flick also. Then the film doesn't know what it wants to be. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 21, 2021 18:17:21 GMT -5
I don't have an issue with not using Fu Manchu or any of the Rohmer stuff; but, would have liked to see it capture more of the Moench & Gulacy mixture of Bond and kung fu. What I see in the trailer looks like a dozen other HK action films. The closest we ever really got to what Moench & Gulacy were doing was Enter the Dragon, which inspired a lot of their take, in the first place. That is the stuff that made Shang Chi a cult hero instead of a generic martial arts swipe. I'm not surprised Marvel was more flexible with this character, since 99% of even the casual comic book fan barely know who Shang Chi is, let alone aspects about his character history. He might still get into the spy arena down the road. Perhaps with the story they wanted to tell with the Ten Rings and it's mysticism/The Mandarin, it would have divided the focus too much if you try to make it a spy flick also. Then the film doesn't know what it wants to be. Except that Ant-Man demonstrated you could depart (Marvel) formula and the fans would still come, if you do it well enough. Doing a spy/kung fu mash up probably would have done far more to make this stand out. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Apr 21, 2021 18:31:22 GMT -5
I didn’t see all that in the trailer that I watched. But even so, in the 70’s they had a Kung Fu movie where the fighters were running on tree tops and that doesn’t make it a Marvel movie anymore than floating water does. That's a funny take, because already this trailer has more fantastical elements than all three Captain America films had, or I'm guessing Black Window will have. Marvel is pretty diverse in it's content, while still all falling under a superhero banner. That's a good thing. And I don't see how a Marvel movie isn't a Marvel movie if it has people running on trees or floating water, but a magic space rock building an advanced tech society in Africa, super solider serum, or wizards guarding time gems fits the bill. Or does that not count too? If you aren't interested in the film cool, but to gatekeep and say it doesn't fit Marvel's wheelhouse is kinda nutty. I don’t have to gatekeeper, whatever that means. I watched the trailer and it’s not my cup of tea. I own most of the MU movies but not all of them were videos I needed to own. I don’t own Both Ant mans, Dr. Strange or the Black Panther movies. |
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Apr 21, 2021 20:48:53 GMT -5
I'm not surprised Marvel was more flexible with this character, since 99% of even the casual comic book fan barely know who Shang Chi is, let alone aspects about his character history. He might still get into the spy arena down the road. Perhaps with the story they wanted to tell with the Ten Rings and it's mysticism/The Mandarin, it would have divided the focus too much if you try to make it a spy flick also. Then the film doesn't know what it wants to be. Except that Ant-Man demonstrated you could depart (Marvel) formula and the fans would still come, if you do it well enough. Doing a spy/kung fu mash up probably would have done far more to make this stand out. Yeah...and I wasn't arguing against that? I said that the creators of this movie decided to be more flexible, instead of doing a paint by numbers of the source material, since it was largely unknown. Ant Man did a similar thing. So did Guardians of the Galaxy which is very different from it's inception comic. 99% of people aren't going to complain about Shang Chi not being a James Bond type film with martial arts, and maybe the writers just wanted to go in a different direction when combining the Mandarin's ten rings. It's not like the spirit of the character is at risk, because Shang Chi hasn't been establish in the public consciousness like some other bigger heroes from Marvel. A kung fu/spy mash up might stand out more, but that doesn't mean it would necessarily been good either. This movie hasn't been released yet, and I can understand if you aren't interested as a long time Shang Chi fan, doesn't mean it won't be as good as anything that came out of that comic as a story just because it isn't in the spy genre. We'll see. This is a kung fu film, which hasn't been seen before in the MCU. That alone stands out at the very least. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2021 20:19:49 GMT -5
They dropped the new trailer:
Looking very good.
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Post by brutalis on Jun 24, 2021 20:39:45 GMT -5
That is so much stronger as a trailer for bringing in viewers. I get that the teaser was meant to attract "new" non comic book or martial arts movie followers but this is more like it!
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 24, 2021 20:47:01 GMT -5
Looks like it could be an enter the Badlands episode of you change the actors... not sure how I feel about that. I don't think I've read a single Shang Chi comic (I always thought it was super odd he's yellow, and kung fu comics never really appealed to me).. honestly I'm kinda annoying they took Iron Man's best bad guy and gave him to a D list character.
Between this and the Eternals... I'm really just not feeling this wave of Marvel Movies, but maybe I'll be surprised.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2021 20:50:42 GMT -5
Blame Shane Black for turning Mandarian into a joke for Iron Man III.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Jun 24, 2021 23:55:35 GMT -5
Blame Shane Black for turning Mandarian into a joke for Iron Man III. I haven't seen Iron Man 3 since I saw it in the theaters. When Shang Chi was announced, and it was revealed that the Mandarin was in fact not a hoax, it made me potentially going back to that film down the road not a big deal. |
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Jun 24, 2021 23:58:10 GMT -5
As for the new trailer, it's not much new. But the surprise at the end was very interesting. Abomination of all people in the tournament for the ten rings (that's the theory) against a sorcerer from the Kamar-Taj school. Abomination is supposed to come back in the upcoming She-Hulk Disney+ series, but make an appearance here first. Weird, but interesting.
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