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Post by Cei-U! on Dec 17, 2021 5:43:14 GMT -5
I'm facing a long day of writing today so this is gonna be brief. Everybody here knows I'm a huge fan of Gilbert Hernandez's Palomar stories, but I also dig his brother Jaime's Las Locas. Two of the primary reasons I dig it so much are
8. Maggie Chascarillo and Hopey Glass, Love & Rockets
Truthfully, the world Maggie and Hopey inhabit is as alien to me as Krypton. Nevertheless, their on-again-off-again relationship is so complex, so nuanced, so realistic that it provides an anchor to which all the series' other events—even the most fantastical—are tied. I've known women much like these two, and Jaime depicts them, warts and all, in loving but unblinking detail. It's a tour de force by one of comics' master storytellers. Cei-U! I summon (da-rool) Penny Century!
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Post by shaxper on Dec 17, 2021 6:01:46 GMT -5
8. Howard The Duck and Beverly Switzieras written by Steve Gerber I won't pretend for a moment that this was a healthy relationship. Beverly was a nurturer and Howard was a taker. Beverly knew her value in the world, and Howard was insecure and jealous. So much of the schtick depended upon the idea that Beverly was hopelessly out of Howard's class. And yet, they connected. Really connected, sometimes. Whereas most comics have characters talk only to further a plot, or (if you're lucky) to further a long term internal character arc, Howard and Beverly could just talk about things entirely incidental to the comic yet true to life, and I found those conversations really engaging. While everything else about their pairing was a terrible idea at best, they set a high bar for intellectual compatibility in a relationship. I'm not sure any other comic book couple did that better, really.
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 17, 2021 6:36:47 GMT -5
8. Tony Stark / Janet Van DyneIn the midst of the Fall of Hank Pym saga, came a story that had no fight, No violence and no supervillains. Yet Maybe it’s the best issue of the entire 20 issue run. In this sweet love story plotted by Jim Shooter and scripted by Alan Zelentz in Avengers #224, Jan and Tony happen to meet in a stuffy society party and Tony whisks her away from all the nosy guests that are asking personal questions about the recent divorce from Hank. This act leads to both of them dating and a whirlwind romance. It's just what Janet needs as she’s trying to forget about the horrible events of the recent past. It is particularly sweet how they go to street fairs like a young teenage couple would do but all is not right in this budding romance. It Seems that Tony , having recently revealed his ID to Thor, Captain America and Tigra in a battle against the Molecule Man, is so swept away with his feelings that he has not told Janet of his alter ego. He ends up doing so after being admonished by Cap and Thor but what he feared comes true in that Janet ends the relationship. This story is straight out of a Kirby and Simon Romance book , but man is it great. The reader is drawn in and routes for the doomed relationship to continue. This is maybe the shortest romance in this years Classic Christmas but it is just as compelling as any other tale.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2021 6:59:16 GMT -5
#8 - Camelot 3000's Sir Tristan and IsoldeI read Camelot 3000 still as a young reader but approaching adolescence. Just as it was a stepping stone of DC into the direct market and more mature storytelling, it was my first stepping stone beyond the mostly straightforward Marvel and DC superhero fare I had been reading off the newsstand. Set in the year 3000 A.D., Merlin reincarnates the Knights of the Round Table. However, the physical bodies they assume are not identical to their prior incarnations, some more markedly different than others. And most notable was Sir Tristan who is reincarnated into the biological body of a woman. Tristan struggles heavily with this, still fully identifying as a man along with his role in a male-oriented knighthood. At one point Arthur awkwardly refers to him as "Lady Tristan" and Tristan politely corrects him that it is still "Sir Tristan". But if this is not enough, the love of his life in their prior incarnations, Isolde, returns as well, and she is still biologically female. She still fully loves him and does not struggle at all with accepting Tristan as he is now, and encourages him to reciprocate. Tristan wants to, with all his heart, but he cannot accept that he no longer is the man in the literal sense he once was and that he cannot offer that aspect to Isolde. But Isolde stays true to winning Tristan over, and their deep love finally wins out in the most romantic way as depicted below. Ok, so was it simply a bit of edgy writing for the time (this was published between 1982-1985)? Maybe to some, but it honestly left a big impression on me about love transcending biology. I truly loved the happy ending here.
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Post by majestic on Dec 17, 2021 7:10:51 GMT -5
#8. Tarzan and Jane.I don't have a lot to say other than it is a classic relationship that captured our imaginations over 100 years ago.
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Post by foxley on Dec 17, 2021 7:31:20 GMT -5
8. Ralph and Sue DibneyHonestly, what else is there I need to say about the Nick and Nora Charles of the superhero set? Well, first of all, they make married life look like fun. They obviously love being married, and there is no sign that they consider it a chore, unlike many other comic book couples. I also love that Sue is an equal partner in this union. In too many superhero couples, the non-powered partner is either something for the hero to worry about ("Oh no! Brainiac has stolen Metropolis and Lois was there!") or a martyr to the hero's calling ("Go and save the city again, Peter. I'll stay home alone and wonder if I'm ever going to see you again."). Not so here. And it was really nice to see a happy childless married couple. Ralph and Sue always seemed really comfortable with not having children. After all, you can't travel the world solving mysteries if your tied down with toddlers.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 17, 2021 7:32:33 GMT -5
#8. Tarzan and Jane.
(...) I don't have a lot to say other than it is a classic relationship that captured our imaginations over 100 years ago. This one was originally pretty high up on my list...but when I dug in and went to re-read my Tarzan comics I found that the romance just wasn't well done in any of the runs from the newspaper feature, Gold Key, DC, Marvel or Dark Horse. There were a few panels like the one you posted from the DC run that capture that first meeting and a few more that include his crude love note but nothing ever came close to the way the relationship was portrayed in the films or novels.
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Post by foxley on Dec 17, 2021 7:52:07 GMT -5
This one was originally pretty high up on my list...but when I dug in and went to re-read my Tarzan comics I found that the romance just wasn't well done in any of the runs from the newspaper feature, Gold Key, DC, Marvel or Dark Horse. There were a few panels like the one you posted from the DC run that capture that first meeting and a few more that include his crude love note but nothing ever came close to the way the relationship was portrayed in the films or novels. Personally, the comic I think did it best was Dynamite's Lord of the Jungle, but that came out in 2012 and wasn't eligible for this years 12 Days.
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Post by DubipR on Dec 17, 2021 7:52:11 GMT -5
Today's Song: "Only You"- The Platters #8- Richie Rich & Gloria GladGrowing up, my first comics were Harvey Comics, given to me from my grandfather who was a pediatrician. He had them in his waiting room for the kids. I've mentioned this in the past Classic Comics Christmas. Having these were happy stories for kids. Reading Richie Rich were my favorites because what kid didn't wish for more money than god and have no cares in the world? Richie had it all. Dollar shaped pools, gold this and diamond that but it was his girlfriend that kept grounded; actually his BEST girlfriend. Your boy Richie was a player and had a stable of ladies in waiting; Little Dot, Little Audrey, Little Lotta. Gloria was always my favorite of his 'romances' as a kid. Like in Charlie Brown, it was the cute red head that he thought about the most. Gloria was that girl that didn't care how much crazy cash Richie spent, as she was known for her denial of luxury gifts, and gets angry at Richie for his showing of wealth, even if unintentional. She maybe the poor girl in the Harvey Universe but she didn't need the expensive things to know that Richie cared for her when they went on their crazy adventures.
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Post by DubipR on Dec 17, 2021 7:53:53 GMT -5
I'm facing a long day of writing today so this is gonna be brief. Everybody here knows I'm a huge fan of Gilbert Hernandez's Palomar stories, but I also dig his brother Jaime's Las Locas. Two of the primary reasons I dig it so much are
8. Maggie Chascarillo and Hopey Glass, Love & Rockets
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Truthfully, the world Maggie and Hopey inhabit is as alien to me as Krypton. Nevertheless, their on-again-off-again relationship is so complex, so nuanced, so realistic that it provides an anchor to which all the series' other events—even the most fantastical—are tied. I've known women much like these two, and Jaime depicts them, warts and all, in loving but unblinking detail. It's a tour de force by one of comics' master storytellers. Cei-U! I summon (da-rool) Penny Century! Excellent pic. You'll see them show up down the line.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 17, 2021 8:13:54 GMT -5
This one was originally pretty high up on my list...but when I dug in and went to re-read my Tarzan comics I found that the romance just wasn't well done in any of the runs from the newspaper feature, Gold Key, DC, Marvel or Dark Horse. There were a few panels like the one you posted from the DC run that capture that first meeting and a few more that include his crude love note but nothing ever came close to the way the relationship was portrayed in the films or novels. Personally, the comic I think did it best was Dynamite's Lord of the Jungle, but that came out in 2012 and wasn't eligible for this years 12 Days. I'll have to check that out, I think I've read a sampling of just about everything else out there.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 17, 2021 8:40:08 GMT -5
#8 : Jean Grey and Scott Summers.I mean, it was bound to show up eventually; it's a classic. It's also the romance that really got me hooked to X-Men comics. That's despite the fact that Jean and Scott barely interacted at the time, since they had been separated before I started reading and thought each other dead! I lived their romance entirely through the eyes of the grieving Scott, pining for his absent love; Jean was the unattainable star, the romantic ideal, and that was something I could entirely relate to! (Yes, I admit, I couldn't talk to that girl at school without feeling extremely self-conscious, tripping over my own words and having a heart attack all at once..."Unattainable stars" was a romantic subject I was quite familiar with). That didn't change anything! Scott and Jean were the perfect tragic couple, and I wanted those two to get together again! (They did around issue #127, I believe, an issue I didn't read until years later). Subscribing just in time to read the Dark Phoenix saga, I had the bad feeling that Jean wouldn't survive the ordeal although, it turns out, that was the original plan. Reading the ending of X-Men #136, I dared hope against hope... ...but of course we were denied the happy ending I was rooting for, even if it admittedly made for a better story. I hated the idea of Jean returning for Unethical X-Factor #1, and the years that followed her resurrection felt fake and editorially-mandated. From the great and tragic love story that had climaxed in X-Men #137, we moved to some patched-up ersatz where succeeding writers tried to make us believe in the couple again, despite the travesty that had been made of Scott's journey and the inability to make Jean more than "the girlfriend". Then I quit reading the X-books. I came back for Morrison's run, though, and one thing that really, really moved me, is when she died again at the end : the scene in which saying goodbye, she calls Scott "my best friend". Oh, Lord, was that a great line... That is truly what should happen to two people who have loved each other for so long, going through the hormonal turmoil of puberty, the grand emotions of romantic love, and the founding of a family (even by time displacement/cloning/alternate reality means) : those two souls would naturally become best friends. I don't know if there is a greater compliment. I think even "my love" doesn't cut it. ... Since we mentioned time-displaced, duplicate characters... I also very much enjoyed the quiet moment depicted by Brian Bendis in his All-New X-Men series, in which an adult Scott and a time-displaced teenage Jean manage to have a heart-to-heart conversation in which their awkward, mutual affection was obvious without any creepy overtone (mostly because Scott knew how creepy the situation could be! He had probably learned his lesson from the X-Factor fiasco!!!) It was very uncomfortable, to say the least, to see two people explore such very awkward and intimate emotions, and I thought it featured some pretty strong writing. We readers squirmed alongside the protagonists. I wish the same could have been done decades earlier in Legion of Super-heroes, when Ultra-Boy and a teenage Phantom Girl clone ended up in a similar predicament. At the time, the subject had barely been broached before Zero Hour happened and made the point moot.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2021 8:42:33 GMT -5
#8 - Thor and Jane Foster] He’s a god. She’s human. Yet they love each other. Thor’s godhood/destiny has not stood in the way of true love. She loves him for who he is. He loves her for who she is. Even eternal grump Odin, who seems to have Ragnarok on the brain, can’t stand in their way. Thor fought Hercules over Foster (in a sense). I truly believe there is nothing these two would not do for each other - and that’s beautiful.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 17, 2021 9:23:05 GMT -5
Day Five brings to the Classic Comics Christmas... The impossible, bizarre, probably not even legal pairing of Swampthing and Abigail ArcaneAlthough he's all plant this one fit squarely into my concept of Beauty and the Beast. It's just one of the best examples of a pairing of opposites that just shouldn't work; he's a six foot plant monster and Abby is blonde bombshell, but it goes deeper than that as she's also the niece of his greatest enemy and was married to one of his closest human friends...and yet it works. Her emotive and vibrant personality brings out the best of Swampy's brooding stoicism which instantly makes the book a much better read...but like in my last pick the author, this time Alan Moore, couldn't just leave it there, he had to make it weird and depict just how a plant guy and a human woman get it on and it involves eating a psychedelic gourd grown straight from his chest. Although the art is wonderfully trippy, the implications of it all don't exactly sit well with me these days but it's a relationship that aside from that issue really made the book better having it there.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2021 10:20:39 GMT -5
On the fifth day of Christmas, True Love brought to me Marthe Müller and Kurt Severing from Berlin by Jason Lutes Berlin is a story of the lives, loves, trials and tribulations of a group of people living in Berlin in the years after World War I leading up to World War II. Kurt and Marthe meet as literal strangers on a train, and it takes some time for their relationship to blossom. Kurt is a journalist who opposes the rise of the National Socialists in Berlin but does not join the Reds. Marthe is an art student fleeing the clutches of controlling parents who would prefer to marry her off to a local wealthy man, but grudgingly pay for her tuition in art school in the big city, but that support evaporates when she drops out. After meeting on the train to Berlin when Marthe is first coming to the city, they do not see each other for months. Marthe attends school and establishes a circle of friends while Kurt is absorbed in the political turmoil embroiling the city. But when they do reconnect, their relationship starts in earnest. They are both lonely souls who find solace in each other, during the holiday season when both were expecting to be alone. They become involved and quickly move in with each other. Their romance burns brightly, but begins to burn out. They have little in common except their loneliness, and in the end it is not enough to keep them together, but the friendship they forged survives the disintegration of their romance. They are an incredibly real couple. So many couples in comics are idealized or even an realistic male fantasy of what a romantic relationship with a woman would be like, Kurt and Marthe are anything but that, and why they are such a favorite of mine. They represent so many couples that are together in a vainglorious attempt to stave off loneliness rather than having any real connection with the person they are with to begin with. Marthe and Kurt find some common ground, and on that common ground a friendship is forged, but Marthe winds up in the arms of another woman while Kurt becomes married to his causes and his work. It is such a masterful depiction of so many real relationships that exist in our world. -M
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