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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 17, 2021 22:47:13 GMT -5
Titania and Absorbing Man I just love these two.. having super villains as a couple was just really fun. Great humor, some great personal bits, and then there's the ball and chain that Creel actually uses all the time. I really wanted them to turn good at some point.
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Post by codystarbuck on Dec 17, 2021 23:59:37 GMT -5
#8 Reed & SueI don't need to put a lot into this one. From day 1, it was Reed & Sue. Reed is determined to beat the Commies to the Moon and girlfriend Sue is along for the ride, despite having no apparent qualifications. Of course, the couple have to endure her pesky younger brother tagging along! They get irradiated and return to Earth with super powers, which benefits Sue quite nicely and I'm not referring to invisibility! Think about it! They were a fairly stereotypical couple, very much a product of the era, with Sue often needing rescue, spending her time shopping, playing den mother to a pack of male slobs. Then, they threw a monkey wrench into things by having her have the hots for Namor, which was probably more of a ploy to get Reed to get his head out of his slide rule and recognize the lady in the room. Bad boys got the attention; but, Sue stuck by her nerd! They got married, received 1800 toasters, including one that burnt the toast no matter what setting (from Latveria) and they settled down to wedded bliss and the occasional monster, galactic world devourer, or microscopic universe. Then, the rabbit died and the became the Fantastic 5. Through it all, Sue is the patient, doting wife, den mother, actual mother, cheerleader, invisible butt kicker and occasional de facto leader of the bunch, while making goo-goo eyes at her significant rubber....other! Reed can give you elaborate equations and pure logic to illustrate that Sue is keen! The FF are a family; and, in this family, no one ever has to doubt that Mommy and Daddy love each other.
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Post by Crimebuster on Dec 18, 2021 18:39:12 GMT -5
8. Tara & Travis MorganThe second Mike Grell relationship on my list, this one has a lot of the same hallmarks. Is it a healthy relationship? Depends on how you look at it. It's perhaps as healthy as a relationship can be for a damaged person like Travis Morgan. Essentially a riff on John Carter and Dejah Thoris, Tara and Travis get together, and have a kid. And then... the kid is kidnapped by their archenemy, and seemingly killed by Travis himself. This is the poison pill in their relationship. Wracked by guilt and grief, Travis leaves, and no matter how many times they get back together, it never lasts. He's always driven by his demons to leave and lose himself in violent adventure. You always root for them to finally have a happy ending, but for a man like Travis, maybe that isn't possible.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 18, 2021 21:19:48 GMT -5
8. Tara & Travis MorganThe second Mike Grell relationship on my list, this one has a lot of the same hallmarks. Is it a healthy relationship? Depends on how you look at it. It's perhaps as healthy as a relationship can be for a damaged person like Travis Morgan. Essentially a riff on John Carter and Dejah Thoris, Tara and Travis get together, and have a kid. And then... the kid is kidnapped by their archenemy, and seemingly killed by Travis himself. This is the poison pill in their relationship. Wracked by guilt and grief, Travis leaves, and no matter how many times they get back together, it never lasts. He's always driven by his demons to leave and lose himself in violent adventure. You always root for them to finally have a happy ending, but for a man like Travis, maybe that isn't possible. One of my runners-up. Travis and Tara do have a Burroughsian relationship, and I lived every moment of their tumultuous romance!
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Post by foxley on Dec 19, 2021 1:18:32 GMT -5
8. Tara & Travis MorganThe second Mike Grell relationship on my list, this one has a lot of the same hallmarks. Is it a healthy relationship? Depends on how you look at it. It's perhaps as healthy as a relationship can be for a damaged person like Travis Morgan. Essentially a riff on John Carter and Dejah Thoris, Tara and Travis get together, and have a kid. And then... the kid is kidnapped by their archenemy, and seemingly killed by Travis himself. This is the poison pill in their relationship. Wracked by guilt and grief, Travis leaves, and no matter how many times they get back together, it never lasts. He's always driven by his demons to leave and lose himself in violent adventure. You always root for them to finally have a happy ending, but for a man like Travis, maybe that isn't possible. This pairing was a late drop from my list for reasons I'll explain in the Near Misses thread. Glad to see it getting some love.
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Post by MWGallaher on Dec 19, 2021 6:53:58 GMT -5
8. Swamp Thing (Alec Holland) and Abby ArcaneI continue to find some of my favorite romances among my favorite characters, in today's entry, that favorite character is Swamp Thing, and the love interest is Abigail Arcane. Abby was one of the earliest entries into Swamp Thing's saga, debuting in issue 3 of that much-loved first series. Niece of his nemesis, Anton Arcane, daughter of Gregori Arcane, the Patchwork Man (one of my favorite ultra-short-run feature head-liners), Abby was instantly fascinating, strikingly rendered by Berni Wrightson with that unlikely shock of black hair in her platinum blonde mane. In that original run, Abby was investigator Matt Cable's "lady friend", not Swampy's. It wasn't until Alan Moore shook things up that Abby would become Swamp Thing's lover, after her (often-forgotten) failed marriage to Matt. While comics readers had seen love between humans and "monsters" (most notably a certain blind sculptor and rock-skinned superhero), Moore took advantage of SWAMP THING's "Not for Children" rating to show us that relationship in depths that conventional superhero comics couldn't, like consummation via that unforgettable tuber-sharing scene. For a comic book romance, Alec and Abby's marriage was remarkably genuine and rich. It was genuine, emotional, and moving, often the very focus of the issue of the month, rather than incidental or simply servicing plot developments.
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Post by Prince Hal on Dec 19, 2021 16:35:35 GMT -5
When Silver Age DC stories are roundly roasted for their stodginess, ridiculousness, and general old fartiness, I can't always disagree, no matter how soft the spot in my heart is for that halcyon era. But that's one reason I find it easier to forgive much of it; I fell in love with comics during the Silver Age and DC comics were my way in. Hey, I was eight years old and it was all I knew. But just because "everyone" says that DC's Silver Age stories were juvenile doesn't mean they all were. More than occasionally, despite the many restrictions and indifference writers had to deal with, they brought a craftsman's touch and a more sophisticated perspective to a story or two or three, and even a young sprat recognized that there were more than just "hero:good/villain:bad" stories to be told in comic books. Such was the case with the handful of stories that featured the deep and surprising love between Ardora, a woman from another planet, and Luthor, the villain who saved that planet. Ardora's love for Luthor is blind, sudden, passionate, faithful, steadfast, but ultimately even their marriage is incapable of transforming him, coming oh so close, but no further. I wish I could summarize the many twists and turns of the story, which today would have been an arc, an event, a maxi-series, whatever ... and deservedly so. Edmond Hamilton rises to Kirbyesque levels of imagination with the concepts he introduces in these stories: Rainbow crystals that have slowly drained the intellects of a drought-plagued planet under a red sun where Luthor and Superman had fought a boxing match to settle things once and for all; Luthor and Superman, temporary allies, saving the planet from the killing drought when Luthor implores Superman to bring back a mountain of ice from another world; Luthor taking on a costumed identity as the planet's hero (the Defender), complete with a beautiful woman -- Ardora -- who has fallen in love with Luthor and is trying to determine who the Defender really is; Luthor and Ardora falling in love; Luthor freeing Superman rather than extracting revenge on him because he feels compelled to continue helping the citizens of Lexor. (Yes, they've named their planet after their savior!); Devices and gadgets galore: the Anti-Gravity Tornado; the Dark Force Ring Projector; a Broadcast-Interruptor; Gravity Shoes; the Lesson Machine, et al.A time-travel chapter in which Luthor (in muttonchops) winds up in 1906 San Francisco as the editor of the Daily Planet with Superman as his ace reporter; Superman on trial on Lexor for the murder of Luthor; Brainiac, Luthor and the Legion of Super-Villains serving time on the Devil's Island of Space; Ardora discovering Luthor's secret memory discs on which his evil deeds are recorded and realizing that the hero she loves so deeply is a universally known evildoer; Superman ending the saga by doing this: In these stories Edmond Hamilton shows us a Luthor we never knew existed: a man, not a monster, capable of loving another more than himself. He also further illustrates the depth of Superman's decency, his belief in the idea that people can change, that we should never run out of chances for others, no matter how evil they may be at times. And in Ardora, we see a woman too in love for her own good, perhaps. Because as heroic and good as Luthor had acted, as much as he enjoys being the object of adulation from the Lexorians and her unconditional love, it is not enough. He thrives on the contention between him and Superman, like Ahab, stubbornly refusing to accept reality or find comfort in anything less than the utter destruction of an enemy he can never hope to defeat. Unike Milton's Satan, who would rather rule in Hell than bend a knee in Heaven, Luthor would ratehr spend his life seeking revenge on Superman rather than spend it being worshipped and loved on Lexor. For Luthor, we realize as the Ardora saga ends, anyone else's Heaven would be his Hell. Pretty complex fro a Silver Age funny book.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 20, 2021 17:34:49 GMT -5
Random thoughts on Day Five (Hokey Smokes)
Maggie Chascarillo and Hopey Glass - I've tried multiple times to read Love & Rockets and have failed every time. I don't know if I'm reading it wrong, not starting in the right place, or if it just ain't for me. But I've been singularly uninterested in it every time. See also, from today, Carmen and Heraclio.\
Howard The Duck and Beverly Switzier - GAHH!! How did I forget Howard and Beverly? I blame the length of time it's been since I've read Howard the Duck. Needless to say they probably belong on my list, but I'm not re-working it at this point.
Tony Stark / Janet Van Dyne - This was either slightly after or just before I stopped reading Marvel for a good long time. I think I maybe knew peripherally that this happened but I'd probably be happier not knowing.
Camelot 3000's Sir Tristan and Isolde - I remember there being so much hype around this book when it first hit. And I had zero access to a comic shop so I didn't read it (and then it took a bazillion years to finish. And then when I finally read it I could only wonder what the hype was about. But good for them for finding love.
Tarzan and Jane - I unrepentantly love Edgar Rice Burroughs. But I will be the first to admit that most of Burroughs' characters have all the depth of a sheet of tissue paper. I always found Tarzan far more interesting without Jane. And I suspect that Burroughs came to feel the same way given the number of times Lord Greystoke ended up with amnesia so he could dally with other womens.
Richie Rich & Gloria Glad - Cute.
Jean Grey and Scott Summers - I've mentioned that I'm not a fan of Claremont. But I could get behind this choice if they had stopped at X-Men 137. Unfortunately they didn't.
Thor and Jane Foster - I have zero idea what has happened to Jane Foster in the last almost forty years. Maybe someone made her interesting. But nobody did in the first twenty years of her existence. She was a slightly less interesting version of Lois Lane. And no good can come of that.
Marthe Müller and Kurt Severing from Berlin - I suspect I should get around to reading this.
Danny Rand and Misty Knight - Something, something Claremont. Something something haven't read in decades. Power Man was far more interesting than Iron Fist.
Craig Thompson & Raina - I've never read Blankets. I likely never will. But good for them for finding love.
Steve Traynor (Jetlad) and Wulf - I probably should have thought of them since I just did a re-read of Top Ten. But I didn't. But, Neat.
Spaceknight and Brandy Clark - I got nothing. I've generally avoided funnybooks based on toys like the plague. And I actually avoid the plague.
Titania and Absorbing Man - Huh. Whatta ya know about that.
Reed & Sue - I kind of don't like Reed & Sue as a couple. I get that they're THE iconic Marvel couple. But really Sue has always deserved better. Reed is far too self-involved, not to mention the intense misogyny of a lot of the early issues. Maybe he's gotten better.
Tara & Travis Morgan - This was one of the later couples to fall off my list. It's possible they deserve to be there. But it's been decades since I've read Warlord, so I just don't know.
Luthor and Ardora - No. You're not going to make me interested in Superman, particularly Silver-Age Superman. If Alan Moore couldn't do it, nobody could.
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Post by Farrar on Dec 22, 2021 17:51:06 GMT -5
#8 Saturn Girl and Lightning Lad 1960s In the 1960s Saturn Girl was one of the smartest, toughest and no-nonsense comic book characters around, male or female. She was an LSH leader, both in official and unofficial capacities, mostly during the Edmond Hamilton era but also in some stories by Jim Shooter (and in hindsight, her take-charge attitude reminds me of Natasha's from around that same time). Saturn Girl appeared in a lot of those Adventure Legion stories and was shown to be consistently courageous and ingenious. She was never one to sit on the sidelines! As for her romance with Lightning Lad, I loved that she didn't act "girly" as was often the case with how female characters were usually written back then. She and Lighting Lad clearly enjoyed each other's company and he was secure enough in himself that he didn't mind that she in charge.
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Post by berkley2 on Dec 22, 2021 22:32:43 GMT -5
8. Luther Arkwright and Rose Wylde.
Possibly a bit of recency bias here as I just reread this last month, but their relationship does strike me as one of the more interesting in comics. It seems to be completely open, as both individuals have multiple romantic partners, at least one or two of which appear to be nearly as important as these two are to each other. Neither ever expresses the least hint of jealousy - this tried and true formula for romantic drama is refreshingly absent, even in a negative way (i.e. no attention is drawnto the idea at all, it simply isnt an issue).
And of course the whole situation is complicated yet further by all the multiple versions of these characters across tbe parallel universes of this multiversal epic, and by Rose's special power of being aware of her counterparts in other parallels and by Arkwrights own special abilities and history.
Their relationship is a significant plot element and rounds out the characters to make them more complete and believable as human figures, without ever feeling tacked on or thrown in to satisfy readers who are looking for romance. It's an organic part of the whole, and the whole, The Adventures of Luther Arkwright, is one of the best and most influential comics of the last 30 years or so.
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