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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 22, 2022 20:20:20 GMT -5
I had come across so many "it's good but..." comments that I went in with low expectations, but like Ish I'd give it a solid 8,5 out of ten. It was a lot of fun! Very much its own thing, as shaxper observed, and Wong is slowly becoming my favourite MCU character. {Spoiler: Click to show}I loved the Illuminati, even if they could arguably be seen as one big Easter egg. Seeing Xavier brought a big smile to my face!
Seeing Clea at the end was also pretty cool.
Compared to the first Dr. Strange film, this one felt more magical. The music battle (such a great concept!), the actual demons, the Lovecraftian overtones, all were very different from what, in the first film, mostly looked like other dimensional beings and bizarre technology.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jun 24, 2022 18:59:18 GMT -5
I loved how they played the theme from the 90's X-Men cartoon when Xavier rolled in.
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Post by Jesse on Jun 25, 2022 15:38:11 GMT -5
It's free on Disney Plus if you have a subscription!
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jun 25, 2022 19:03:04 GMT -5
It's free on Disney Plus if you have a subscription! Yeah, that's how I finally saw it. |
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Post by berkley on Jun 25, 2022 23:05:30 GMT -5
I think I may have reached my limit with the MCU movies for now because I watched the first 15 minutes or so of Dr. Strange and had to take a break: it all felt so much exactly like every other Marvel movie, with the over-bearing background music, the S/E, the wisecracks, the complete lack of tension or of any feeling of danger or awe at the sight of these enormous monsters. Of course these movies aren't directed at my age group in the first place so that's fine, but up to recently I was able to enjoy them at some level. Maybe I'll try to watch the rest at some later time to see if my reaction changes but that opening sequence was not encouraging.
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Post by Graphic Autist on Jun 27, 2022 11:31:21 GMT -5
I finally watched it this past weekend. I was not expecting Mr. Fantastic to be introduced in this movie. Probably my favorite part.
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Post by berkley on Jul 14, 2022 23:48:57 GMT -5
I finally watched it this past weekend. I was not expecting Mr. Fantastic to be introduced in this movie. Probably my favorite part. The character appearance I'm most curious about is Clea, who I understand appears briefly at some point. |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jul 15, 2022 0:05:05 GMT -5
I finally watched it this past weekend. I was not expecting Mr. Fantastic to be introduced in this movie. Probably my favorite part. The character appearance I'm most curious about is Clea, who I understand appears briefly at some point. She appears briefly in one of those short scenes among the ending credits, a teaser for the next movie |
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Post by berkley on Jul 17, 2022 18:36:16 GMT -5
The character appearance I'm most curious about is Clea, who I understand appears briefly at some point. She appears briefly in one of those short scenes among the ending credits, a teaser for the next movie
I realised that I was probably not going to finish watching the movie anytime soon so I just looked for the Clea scene on youtube: I like Charlise Theron, so she's a good choice, to my mind, though I think I might have asked her to do her British or keep her natural SA accent (not sure how much difference there is). Like Cumberbatch as Dr. Strange, her American accent is convincing but sounds too bland to my ears for such an exotic character. The look and the costume design were good, though. Looks like they might improve on the character from the comics in one respect and portray her as at least Strange's equal in magical power: it never really made sense to me that she'd be his apprentice in the comics: the daughter of Umar, niece of Dormammu should be a magically powerful figure in her own right.
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Post by Dizzy D on Jul 19, 2022 8:58:53 GMT -5
She appears briefly in one of those short scenes among the ending credits, a teaser for the next movie
I realised that I was probably not going to finish watching the movie anytime soon so I just looked for the Clea scene on youtube: I like Charlise Theron, so she's a good choice, to my mind, though I think I might have asked her to do her British or keep her natural SA accent (not sure how much difference there is). Like Cumberbatch as Dr. Strange, her American accent is convincing but sounds too bland to my ears for such an exotic character. The look and the costume design were good, though. Looks like they might improve on the character from the comics in one respect and portray her as at least Strange's equal in magical power: it never really made sense to me that she'd be his apprentice in the comics: the daughter of Umar, niece of Dormammu should be a magically powerful figure in her own right.
In most versions Clea is more powerful than Strange, having to do with the way magic works in the Dr. Strange comics: humans don't have any magical power themselves (some weird cases like Wanda Maximoff or Elisabeth Twoyoungmen excluded), they can do some minor feats themselves (levitation, astral projection), but they need to use the magic of the world around them or the magic of powerful entities like the Vishanti to do really impressive things. Clea, like Umar and Dormammu, has magical power herself that she can use to fuel her spells.
The reason that Clea was Strange apprentice was, while she had power, she didn't have the knowledge how to use that power (because Dormammu certainly was going to teach a potential rival anything). Once she learned of her ancestry and defeated Umar, she was treated as his equal (which was in 1974), so she really was his apprentice only for a short while.
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Post by berkley on Oct 3, 2022 1:52:42 GMT -5
I realised that I was probably not going to finish watching the movie anytime soon so I just looked for the Clea scene on youtube: I like Charlise Theron, so she's a good choice, to my mind, though I think I might have asked her to do her British or keep her natural SA accent (not sure how much difference there is). Like Cumberbatch as Dr. Strange, her American accent is convincing but sounds too bland to my ears for such an exotic character. The look and the costume design were good, though. Looks like they might improve on the character from the comics in one respect and portray her as at least Strange's equal in magical power: it never really made sense to me that she'd be his apprentice in the comics: the daughter of Umar, niece of Dormammu should be a magically powerful figure in her own right.
In most versions Clea is more powerful than Strange, having to do with the way magic works in the Dr. Strange comics: humans don't have any magical power themselves (some weird cases like Wanda Maximoff or Elisabeth Twoyoungmen excluded), they can do some minor feats themselves (levitation, astral projection), but they need to use the magic of the world around them or the magic of powerful entities like the Vishanti to do really impressive things. Clea, like Umar and Dormammu, has magical power herself that she can use to fuel her spells.
The reason that Clea was Strange apprentice was, while she had power, she didn't have the knowledge how to use that power (because Dormammu certainly was going to teach a potential rival anything). Once she learned of her ancestry and defeated Umar, she was treated as his equal (which was in 1974), so she really was his apprentice only for a short while.
I haven't read much Doctor Strange since the end of the Englehart run so my knowledge of what's happened since then is very patchy, but Clea being more powerful than Strange definitely makes sense to me. 1974 was still Englehart, wasn't it? Perhaps I'm misremembering those comics or misunderstood them at the time. But now we're getting more into the comics as opposed to the movies, so I suppose if we want to continue this discussion we should move it to the classics board.
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Post by Dizzy D on Oct 3, 2022 4:38:30 GMT -5
In most versions Clea is more powerful than Strange, having to do with the way magic works in the Dr. Strange comics: humans don't have any magical power themselves (some weird cases like Wanda Maximoff or Elisabeth Twoyoungmen excluded), they can do some minor feats themselves (levitation, astral projection), but they need to use the magic of the world around them or the magic of powerful entities like the Vishanti to do really impressive things. Clea, like Umar and Dormammu, has magical power herself that she can use to fuel her spells.
The reason that Clea was Strange apprentice was, while she had power, she didn't have the knowledge how to use that power (because Dormammu certainly was going to teach a potential rival anything). Once she learned of her ancestry and defeated Umar, she was treated as his equal (which was in 1974), so she really was his apprentice only for a short while.
I haven't read much Doctor Strange since the end of the Englehart run so my knowledge of what's happened since then is very patchy, but Clea being more powerful than Strange definitely makes sense to me. 1974 was still Englehart, wasn't it? Perhaps I'm misremembering those comics or misunderstood them at the time. But now we're getting more into the comics as opposed to the movies, so I suppose if we want to continue this discussion we should move it to the classics board.
I mixed up the year of release it is in the Dr. Strange series that started in 1974, but the issue itself will be later (way the site I looked up the release date it puts the year of the volume starting after the title, which I thought was the year of the publication of the issue). Funnily enough the issue in question that I had in mind is issue 74 (no relation to the year), which was released in 1985. This was during the Roger Stern/Paul Smith run.
There were some hints to Clea being very powerful earlier on though, the most notable being Marvel Team-Up #76-77, which was released in the 70s (1978). In this story Silver Dagger tries Clea at the stake as a witch, but instead she turns into a fiery being like Dormammu and fights Strange on a pretty equal footing (Strange of course is trying not to hurt the woman he loves, so there is some inbalance during the fight). It's of course written by Claremont, because a female character suddenly turning evil and immediately becoming very powerful is one of his typical go-to storylines.
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