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Post by Ricky Jackson on Apr 2, 2022 9:15:29 GMT -5
Yes to Moore. Not as high on a top ten as I would've had him 20 years ago, but still on it. I liked a lot of Morrison's early work when I was younger but never got into his mainstream stuff, although I may tackle his Batman eventually. No to him
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Post by Duragizer on Apr 2, 2022 14:02:01 GMT -5
Alan Moore — For someone I ostensibly have much in common politically, his stuff just hasn't jived much with me. I love his Star Wars work, along with what I've read of Tom Strong, but most everything else has left me cold. I especially dislike The Killing Joke and Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?. Still, I recognize the strength of his writing even if it isn't my cup of tea.
Grant Morrison — They, along with Geoff Johns and Dan DiDio, have done a remarkable job. A remarkable job making DC Comics pretentious, incestuous, nihilist trash.
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Post by dbutler69 on Apr 2, 2022 14:27:05 GMT -5
Day Six ChoicesIt’s a visual medium, and the old school among us remember when we weren’t in the era of full scripts and writers redefining comics. Do creators who are primarily ‘just’ writers only have enough to make your list? Often compared and debated as a pair, do modern masters Grant Morrison and Alan Moore make your cut? No and no. I like Morrison well enough, but haven't really read enough of his stuff to place him in my top ten, and I'm not sure I like him well enough to place him in my top ten anyway. I'm not nearly as big a Moore fan as everyone else. Easy choice for me to vote no on him. I'll probably be the only one, though.
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Post by dbutler69 on Apr 2, 2022 14:30:58 GMT -5
Day Five ChoicesIt’s Family Friday! Among the comic families we have John Buscema and Sal Buscema, Gilbert Hernandez and Jaime Hernandez, John Romita Sr and John Romita Jr, and the master lineage and teaching of Joe Kubert. Heck, include dark horse candidates like Mario Hernandez or a younger Kubert if you want! John Buscema and John Romita sr - yes Sal Buscema - very, very close, but probably not quite. Gilbert Hernandez, Jaime Hernandez, John Romita Jr, Joe Kubert, and Mario Hernandez - no.
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Post by badwolf on Apr 2, 2022 18:14:49 GMT -5
Yes, I'd put both Moore and Morrison in my list.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Apr 2, 2022 18:19:47 GMT -5
Day Six ChoicesIt’s a visual medium, and the old school among us remember when we weren’t in the era of full scripts and writers redefining comics. Do creators who are primarily ‘just’ writers only have enough to make your list? Often compared and debated as a pair, do modern masters Grant Morrison and Alan Moore make your cut? Moore, yes. Morrison, no. No. No. Nonononononono. No.
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Post by commond on Apr 2, 2022 18:29:31 GMT -5
Why do so many people dislike Morrison?
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Post by arfetto on Apr 2, 2022 19:07:39 GMT -5
These are tough choices for me. When I was young, I feel Moore and Morrison both helped expand my imagination. I had a tpb of Moore's DC short stories/singles issues and then Morrison's Animal Man I would re-read constantly.
I bought WildC.A.T.s for Moore (well, and for the occasional Travis Charest art), the ABC stuff, Awesome Comics (even have the Judgment Day story partly drawn by Liefeld), the 1963 Image books, and tpbs of Swamp Thing. For Morrison, I loved JLA, Aztek the Ultimate Man, Doom Patrol and Flex Mentallo, all that stuff. And of course I went back and read their older works (and later future stuff).
I think I will vote yes for both. Are we allowed to bump someone who has made the top ten off if another creator comes along, or is this the final determination?
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Post by Trevor on Apr 2, 2022 19:29:42 GMT -5
Of course you can change your list as we progress. Or not, you make your own rules on what ‘top ten’ means to you.
Speaking of which, I’ve never read Top Ten, despite Moore being on my list….
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Post by badwolf on Apr 2, 2022 20:09:23 GMT -5
Why do so many people dislike Morrison? There's certainly stuff I've disliked from him but what I've liked...is brilliant.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2022 21:07:02 GMT -5
Of course you can change your list as we progress. Or not, you make your own rules on what ‘top ten’ means to you. Speaking of which, I’ve never read Top Ten, despite Moore being on my list…. Trevor, first off, I wanted to say I'm tremendously enjoying participating in this thread (as I suspect a number of other folks are). I've probably made a bazillion top 10 lists over the years and this is a fun and interesting way to approach it. One thing that has dawned on me as I digest my responses so far...as a broader reader with love for many decades of comic book history, I almost feel like I need a "classic top 10" and a "contemporary top 10" just based on how I appreciate creators. The contemporary for me is more Bronze Age, the creators who I was reading real-time and is "my era" (not to skip ahead, but more like your Perez, Byrne, etc.). Alan Moore and Sal Buscema so far would make that cut. The classic list are the creators who I just find the "all-time" (or timeless if you will) greats, not because I'm trying to follow a script on reverence or whatnot, but I truly find them "definitive" on my favorite characters/titles (like Boring and Swan on Superman or Ditko on Spidey). So far Kirby would make that cut for sure, John Buscema would be close if not a finalist. All of that is not a commentary on the rules (especially since you have given us tremendous flexibility with interpretation!) but again more just an observation that has shaped up for me. What I may need to do to truly stay within the parameters of an "overall" list is just split it 50/50 between those two categories, which would leave 5 for each (and makes this even harder!) I'm going to try doing just that...Kirby makes it after all, his FF alone is so important to me and I can't think of how many times I've reread it over the years. Sal and Alan are off at this point just because I think I'm going to need the room later.
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Post by Trevor on Apr 3, 2022 7:51:28 GMT -5
Day Six Response and Wrap—Up
Alan Moore might be the only ‘just writer’ to make my list. I guess he has done Maxwell the Magic Cat and some other art. He sometimes gets a rap for rarely creating true original characters, but only ‘re-inventing’ existing stuff. I kinda see that, but it’s not like he makes what came before irrelevant. He makes everything he touches better. Swamp Thing issue 20 changed my life. Just re-read it the other day and it still chills me. Don’t particularly agree with him on how he treats his old work and the co-creators involved, and think he might be crazy, but he’s Mount Rushmore, desert island, best writers, favorites, most important, any top ten definition I can fathom.
Love a lot of Morrison’s work, but except for Animal Man and All-Star Superman none of it completely wows me. To be fair, a lot of their beloved works I’ve only partially read and are in me mountains of reading queue, so someday I might upgrade their ranking.
My list so far: Frank Miller Jack Kirby Carl Barks Alan Moore
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Post by Trevor on Apr 3, 2022 7:57:28 GMT -5
Day Seven Choices Put your slippers on and grab that newspaper, it’s Strip Sunday!
Are Bill Watterson or Berkeley Breathed in your top 10?
Does this question scare you into leaving spots open for later?
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Apr 3, 2022 7:59:21 GMT -5
I don't think either of them is in my current top ten list, but they definitely were at some point.
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Post by Dizzy D on Apr 3, 2022 8:14:24 GMT -5
A lot of the American comic strips never got published around here (I think Peanuts and Garfield being the exception), so Berkeley Breathed is unknown to me (I know of Bloom County, but never read it apart from some individual poasted strips). I've read some Calvin and Hobbes, but also not enough for Watterson to make my Top 10.
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