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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2022 17:35:27 GMT -5
A couple of comments in the publisher logos thread I started highlighted Gold Key Comics, and it got me thinking about my impressions of that imprint over the years. Self-admittedly being a somewhat typical DC and Marvel superhero reader overall, I kind of forgot how many Gold Key titles I actually did read back in the day or have collected in some form since then. In the spirit of that, I had already wanted to start a conversation that was NOT primarily focused on superheroes since, well, people like me already go on about them all the time! I feel like appreciation of Gold Key can offer some broader dialogue in some ways. Some thoughts/questions to start, but I was thinking really broadly anything Gold Key could be discussed here if there is interest: -What's the better quality material (Carl Barks immediately comes to mind)? Lots of pretty covers particularly on the action/adventure series, which ones have the better stories and interiors? -Speaking of those pretty covers, what are some of your favorites? -Who actively collects or has collected certain titles in the past (original issues and/or collections)? -Did you grow up reading them off the newsstand/spinner rack? With all the tie-ins to properties from shows/movies, did you buy based on that? -How "legit" is their place in comic book history? Mostly lighter fare for younger/casual readers, or some meaningful contributions that earn some measure of stature? I'll start with one from a favorite cartoon from when I was a kid, Fantastic Voyage (and totally the reason I bought a copy):
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Post by majestic on May 8, 2022 21:14:27 GMT -5
Who actively collects or has collected certain titles in the past (original issues and/or collections)? -Did you grow up reading them off the newsstand/spinner rack? With all the tie-ins to properties from shows/movies, did you buy based on that? -How "legit" is their place in comic book history? Mostly lighter fare for younger/casual readers, or some meaningful contributions that earn some measure of stature? I bought them off the newsstand. I liked the painted covers. As far as TV tie ins I bought stuff if I liked it on TV. Honestly I preferred their original material like the Jungle Twins. I didn't buy them regularly due to spotty distribution where I lived. I actually could find Charlton Comics titles more than the Gold Key ones. And yes they have a special place in comics history IMO. I view them like Archie Comics. Good memories of wholesome stories.
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Post by codystarbuck on May 8, 2022 21:51:20 GMT -5
I had a few, as a youngster, and read others through friends, neighbors and cousins. I loved Turok..... Space Family Robinson..... Dagar...... Super Goof... Uncle Scrooge.... and the Junior Woodchucks (Huey, Dewey and Louie and the Junior Woodchucks).... Also, their Tarzan stuff, with Russ Manning and Doug Wildey.... It was only later that I got to see things like Russ Manning's Magnus Robot Fighter and Doctor Solar, Man of the Atom, Tragg and the Sky Gods and Dan Spiegle's Maverick stuff (I did see some of his Scooby Doo). My neighbor had some of the horror stuff, with Dr Spektor, Grimm's Ghost Stories, Ripley's, and Boris Karloff. It was even later before I knew that Don Glut, who wrote the Empire Strikes Back Novelization, had been behind those great stories, in Dagar, Tragg and Dr Spektor (plus another favorite, Little Monsters). I even liked the kids titles, like Wacky Witch and OG Whiz.... Little Monsters rocked! I would read any comic that came my way and Gold Key had plenty for the younger me and quite a bit for the older. Plus, the Whitman 3-packs were a great value (provided you didn't get a duplicate, if you bought more than one). Gold Key didn't have the flashiest interior artists, though they did boast some great talent, like Dan Spiegle (Maverick, the Disney film adaptations, Space Family Robinson, Scooby Doo), Doug Wildey, Alex Toth (in the Dell and Gold Key years, for Western, on Zorro), Jesse Santos (Dagar, Tragg), Russ Manning (Tarzan, Brothers of the Spear, Magnus), Frank Thorne (Mighty Samson). Western could have ruled comics, if they had applied themselves, with their advantages. The did their own printing and distribution and had a wide reach; but, they got into comics to keep their presses running, as they earned more with the Little Golden Books and Whitman puzzles and games. Western handled the artists and licensed the properties, which is why they ended up with all of the popular stuff, when they split with Dell. Dell handled administration of things, but had to scramble, when they went their separate ways, as Western had the Disney, Warner, MGM and Walter Lantz licenses, most of the popular tv shows and movies, plus the stuff they created, on their own. I didn't care for them abandoning the Gold Key name, later, for Whitman; but, they were pretty much only selling the stuff in department and toy stores, in the bagged sets and the Whitman brand name meant more, in that environment.
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Post by tarkintino on May 8, 2022 23:17:06 GMT -5
-What's the better quality material (Carl Barks immediately comes to mind)? Lots of pretty covers particularly on the action/adventures series, which ones have the better stories and interiors? Contrary to some opinions, GK's Star Trek--while never on the level of the series it adapted--was presented as interesting space opera, rather than the sci-fi drama of its source. Main artist--the great Alberto Giolitti--was a "win" for this title, as his experience with realistic western and adventure titles, made him a perfect fit for the kind of planetside stories so often used for GK's Star Trek. That, and as you'll likely see repeated, the excellent painted covers from George Wilson made GK's adaptation one of the most consistently entertaining ST adaptations ever published. The Occult files of Doctor Spektor was a unique title, in that its running themes of the supernatural was not all that common in comics of the time (the title launched in 1973). Yes, you had on-again, off-again Doctor Strange titles at Marvel, but supernaturally aligned human characters (IOW, not The Spectre) were sort of pushed to the side, particularly if they existed in a superhero universe. Doctor Spektor and his assistant (Native American Lakota Rainflower) were a unique pair in stories that could have been read as scripts for a weekly TV series. Between Jesse Santos' stylish, very "un-Marvel-like" art to the unending benefit of George Wilson's magnificent painted covers, The Occult Files of Doctor Spektor was an example of Gold Key having its own, distinctive voice outside of adapting TV and film properties. Where to start? Between Ripley's Believe it or Not, Star Trek, Dark Shadows, Grimm's Ghost Stories, The Twilight Zone, Boris Karloff's Tales of Mystery, Space Family Robinson, etc. Gold Key enjoyed some of the finest covers of any publisher, and are still standouts in the sub-category of painted comic book covers (that's saying much in a field playing host to Warren and Marvel magazines, to name a couple of publishers). I've collected most of the titles listed in this post, along with short-lived offerings such as The Green Hornet and Thriller. -Did you grow up reading them off the newsstand/spinner rack? With all the tie-ins to properties from shows/movies, did you buy based on that? Although movie and TV adaptations pre-dated the launch of the Gold Key imprint, it was through that company that the idea of actively adapting TV series created a very fixed, almost expected trend / sub-category in comics, one that was profitable. For example, in John Wells' book American Comic Book Chronicles: 1965-69 (TwoMorrows Publishing, 2014) the success of a Gold Key TV property in 1967 - the very height of the "superhero boom"--gave an indicator of how Gold Key was not "buried" by the competition as is the standard myth about the company: Impressive: at the time, MAD was on fire as a sharp, witty, occasionally dark humor magazine (arguably the height of their vitality in that category), Archie was only growing in popularity (even before the creation of records & Filmation cartoons), and Bat-tiles were (for a time) a license to print money, yet a Gold Key title was right up there in terms of sales. That the title outselling most of the competition was a TV adaptation certainly made Gold Key a name associated with such four-color spin-off in ways DC and Marvel never would be--certainly not as prolific as Gold Key in terms of output I suggest you seek out GK's adaptation of Beneath the Planet of the Apes (1970), which has the distinction of being the first adaptation of the original film series, and arguably the best, as Giolitti's art is so much closer to the film source than Marvel's published some five years later. Samples--
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2022 23:45:02 GMT -5
As a kid, the only Gold Key stuff I got were the Whitman versions either form polybagged sets or as hand me downs form others. I never really saw them on the stands in the places I lived. I remember having a few Trek issues given to me by friends of my parents while I was at the bowling alley for league night to keep me occupied, and I got a polybagged set of 3 issues of Flash Gordon around the time Star Wars came out.
Now, I do actively collect some Gold Key titles-anything Uncle Scrooge or Scooby Doo, I have most of the Flash Gordon issues and I think all of the GK ones (I am missing a couple from the King era of that run), the GK era Tarzan stuff, Dagar (Tales of Sword and Sorcery), Dr. Occult, Tragg, Boris Karloff, Twilight Zone, Brothers of the Spear, etc. especially if I find them on the cheap or can get a large lot of them together.
-M
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Post by codystarbuck on May 9, 2022 0:29:33 GMT -5
Gold Key's Flash Gordon was pretty darn good, with Carlos Garzon on the art. Nice sort of sequel to the classic Alex Raymond adventures, with a little modernization. One area where I wish the interiors were as good as the covers was with The Phantom. George Wilson did painted covers for it (and th Avon paperback books); but, Bill Ligante did the interiors and it really lacked punch. he wasn't a bad artist; but it was less dynamic than others, even Sy Barry, on the newspaper strip. They couldn't hold a candle to the Charlton Phantom comics, with Pat Boyette; and, especially, Jim Aparo and Don Newton. Growing up in the Midwest, Gold Keys were easier to find than other places, since Western's HQ was Racine, WI. You'd see them in toy departments, in stores, some newsstands and some grocery stores, especially the bagged sets. When I was collecting, they and Charlton were harder to find, unless you lucked into a good shop, like Heroes Aren't Hard to Find, in Charlotte, NC. I searched quite a bit for some early Doctor Solar and found a few there, and some Magnus (Magnus was tougher to find) and it was really hard to find stuff like Space Family Robinson and Dagar. Forget about the Disney and other humor/kid stuff, as a lot of shops only wanted to carry back issues of superheroes (had trouble with westerns and war comics, when I would hunt for them). Every once in a while I would find a shop that had a decent selection, if not thorough. Very hard to find them in better than good-Very Good Condition. I wasn't that picky; but, you didn't see a lot of them in much better condition, when you'd find them. Funny enough, I didn't have much trouble with locating all of the Flash Gordons. Gold Keys were also the first comics that I had been given, though mostly in humor sets, with a couple of adventure ones. I remember getting at least one set with Space Family Robinson and Turok; can't recall what might have been the third title. Had one or two with Uncle Scrooge, Super Goof and one of the other Disneys. There was a bit of shared universe happening, as the Beagle Boys would be villains in both Super Goof and Uncle Scrooge.
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Post by Deleted on May 9, 2022 10:32:30 GMT -5
I have hazy memories of my earliest exposure. As a little kid in the 70's, I feel like I might have gotten a Whitman bag (like @mrp mentioned) of stuff like Looney Tunes at some point, but I don't remember any specific issues or later having any of them in my collection. Whereas I could still tell you every single one of my earliest DC/Marvel comics (starting when I was about 4). The true launching off point for me was sometime in the early 80's when my library carried 3 collected editions of the Star Trek series. I kept checking those out of the library over and over, loved re-reading them. tarkintino , you summed it up perfectly, as a space opera it really just hit that spot for me versus a pure adaptation of the show. Likewise, agree on Giolitti's art, definitely a high point for me as well. Also going to check out your suggestion of Beneath the Planet of the Apes, that looks right up my alley, thanks! Most of my further exploration has only been in the last decade or so. I have several Carl Barks collections of Scrooge/Donald, probably now my favorite diversion from superhero titles. I have some collections of Doctor Solar and Space Family Robinson as well, really enjoy both of those. codystarbuck - as usual, appreciate your extensive knowledge and definitely have added a few things to my list based on what you shared. That Dagar is calling out to me in particular, was not familiar with that one. And I'm always up for more Tarzan and Flash Gordon (have not read the Gold Key versions). In terms of the legacy of Gold Key itself, appreciate all of the historical context from folks, very interesting and lot of info I did not know! majestic , I like how you said "Good memories of wholesome stories", that really hits the mark for me as well from the exposure I've had per above. Another one of my favorite painted covers just for fun:
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Post by tarkintino on May 10, 2022 10:28:09 GMT -5
I have hazy memories of my earliest exposure. As a little kid in the 70's, I feel like I might have gotten a Whitman bag (like @mrp mentioned) of stuff like Looney Tunes at some point, but I don't remember any specific issues or later having any of them in my collection. Whereas I could still tell you every single one of my earliest DC/Marvel comics (starting when I was about 4). The true launching off point for me was sometime in the early 80's when my library carried 3 collected editions of the Star Trek series. I kept checking those out of the library over and over, loved re-reading them. tarkintino , you summed it up perfectly, as a space opera it really just hit that spot for me versus a pure adaptation of the show. Likewise, agree on Giolitti's art, definitely a high point for me as well. Also going to check out your suggestion of Beneath the Planet of the Apes, that looks right up my alley, thanks! Beneath the Planet of the Apes is so very close to the film and novel (using some of the novel and original script's dialogue during the climatic fight over the Alpha-Omega missile), and achieved in one issue what other publishers would stretch out for several issues. Here are some samples from The Occult Files of Doctor Spektor, with covers and splash pages from issues #9 (August, 1974) and #13 (April, 1975). The covers were from the brush of George Wilson (of course), while the interiors were from the underrated Jesse Santos (also co-creator of Gold Key's Dagar the Invincible with Donald Glut)-- Many a comic reader and historian usually gloss over the fact that Gold Key had its own mini-universe of characters crossing over with one another; Doctor Spektor played host to Doctor Solar, the revived Dell character the Owl, and Tragg (from Tragg and the Sky Gods) and the aforementioned Dagar. With Doctor Spektor being an early 1970's creation, everything from his stories, allies, style of dress and art were heavily leaning in the gothic horror genre having a major resurgence at that time (thanks in large part to Dan Curtis' horror TV movies, the Dark Shadows TV series, and the films of Hammer Studios), rather than being a supernatural character treated to the same superhero handling one might see at other publishing houses. Spektor was not cut from the cloth that created Doctors Fate or Strange, and arguably had more appeal as a semi-tragic hero. Santos--as strong with the pencil as well as the brush--was wise to blend art more associated with romance comics with his intricate line art and stylized appearance of characters, giving the title so unique a look. Eaily one of my favorite Gold Key titles.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2022 10:36:26 GMT -5
tarkintino - Really like the look of this art actually, definitely adding Doctor Spektor to the list!
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Post by badwolf on May 10, 2022 10:59:37 GMT -5
My very first comic* was a Gold Key: I think I had a few Disney titles as well, but my memory of those is blurry. If I saw the covers I might recognize them. *It was either this or Marvel Super-Heroes #48, which has thee same cover date. Maybe I got them at the same time, I don't remember.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on May 10, 2022 12:55:40 GMT -5
I read a lot of Gold Key comics, but they were, by and large, before I started buying my own comics. My older brothers and sister had a lot of GK humor comics, as well as Archie Comics. On my own I very seldom bought anything from Gold Key. I honestly don't really remember seeing that many on the stands. I did by the odd issue of Lone Ranger and at least one issue of Turok. But that's about it.
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Post by tonebone on May 10, 2022 13:29:45 GMT -5
I used to get Gold Key (and later, Whitman) comics at the supermarket, usually in the polybags. I was a sucker for Little Lulu digests, and anything with Super Goof and/or the Beagle Boys. I remember the day I bought all 3 issues of the Flash Gordon movie adaptation in the same bag! Even as an 11 year old, I knew that if they had spread it across 3 bags, they could have sold 3 times the bags! One of my favorite books in my collection is the trade paperback collection of the Starstream comics, called Questar. I have the single issues of Starstream, too, somewhere. It was really a daring experiment on their part... serious SF from classic short stories, illustrated by the Gold Key/Whitman stable of artists... including some newcomers, like Jose Luis Garcia-Lopez! The very first "trade paperback" collection I ever got was a Star Trek The Enterprise Logs... from the treasure box at my dentist's office! Concerning those awesome painted covers, Gold Key would usually reprint the cover on the back cover, without any text! I think they knew they were doing something special!
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Post by tartanphantom on May 10, 2022 13:34:40 GMT -5
There are several Gold Key titles (including Whitman variants) that I actively collect, working toward complete runs--
Doctor Solar, Man of the Atom (I'm down to needing only two issues, #1 and #5). I love the covers in this series, and the story is pretty fun too.
Also collecting:
There are also a variety of short runs and one-two issue series, including film tie-ins, and various Barks Duck covers-- I collect these as I find them.
Other Gold Key titles that I enjoy and buy, but do not actively seek, include:
Turok, Son of Stone The Occult Files of Doctor Spektor
Space Family Robinson (aka Lost in Space) Happy Days (really bad story & interior art, but it's a pop culture thing, and 5 of the 6 issues have photo covers) Lancelot Link, Secret Chimp The Man from U.N.C.L.E. The Pink Panther Walt Disney's The Beagle Boys
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Post by majestic on May 10, 2022 13:51:18 GMT -5
I know certain creators jumped from Charlton to DC or Marvel but I am uncertain of creators that came from Gold Key
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Post by MDG on May 10, 2022 13:51:22 GMT -5
I've come to like Gold Key a lot more recently. As a kid, I bought Boris Karloff and Ripley's fairly often, and maybe a TV tie-in once in a while. Their "horror" books were lighter than Warren, though could pack a punch once in a while, and much better than what DC had in the 60s, but their in-house pages--the joke pages and reader art--were embarrassing.
Looking at them now, their a lot more interesting as I can pick out artists, even though they seemed to push even folks like Williamson and Crandall into more of a house style. And I never realized how much Luis Dominguez did for them. But also stylistic things like borderless panels defined by color and surprints (which seemed rarely, if ever, used at Marvel and DC before the late 70s). Made up for the rectangular word balloons.
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