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Post by tonebone on May 25, 2022 9:43:26 GMT -5
That's not right. The Star Wars logo used on the Marvel comic and seen at the start of the film was commissioned by Lucasfilm from typographer/designer Suzy Rice -- it was based on a WW2 Nazi font, believe it or not! -- and then slightly modified by the film's concept artist Joe Johnston. Marvel were given this logo by Lucasfilm and told to use it to keep the comic in line with the look of the film. I have no idea why the S and T, and the R and S weren't joined together on the cover of Marvel's Star Wars #1 (it was fixed from issue #2 onwards), but these pairs of letters were joined together even in Rice's early, more angular logo design. Interestingly, the S and T were joined together in Dan Perri's slightly earlier, slanting "crawl" logo design, so the idea of having certain letters flowing into each other was likely his, and Rice just incorporated the same idea. You can find some fairly in-depth articles about Suzy Rice's design process online, but here's a pretty straightforward blog post that discusses the history of the various SW logos... 99designs.co.uk/blog/famous-design/star-wars-logos/Yeah.. I read that... My info was derived from my memory of an article in Alter Ego (I think) where either Chaykin or the PR manager (who coordinated the creation of the comic) said that the original design for issue 1 came BEFORE the Suzy Rice design... The joining of the letters, it was said, was the idea of the cover letterer, which came along with the 2nd issue, and at that point, she integrated into the movie title. HOWEVER, that info I was relaying is probably wrong (misremembered by the PR guy?), after reading this comprehensive page: pittsburghjedi.com/star-wars-logo-origin-development/I did find it interesting that the letter W in Wars continued to change and evolve, through the Rice logo, the Jim Novak comics logo, and Joe Johnston's changes, and more subtle changes over the next 30 or so years! At any rate, thanks Confessor for calling me on it... I will try to find the article I was referencing, which was really interesting, but they constantly say "Whew that was a long time ago... let me see if I remember."... that was probably a red flag I should have heeded.  Here is a photo of the original painted-on-glass opening text crawl from the FIRST release of Star Wars... note the modified 1977 poster logo, not the one from the conics. So, the version that appeared on the comics did INDEED come into creation after the movie's title was created, but was retrofitted to be used on marketing materials, (and including subsequent releases of the movies), in line with what I originally posted, and in line with what the PR guy from the original production said. Yes, the ST and RS are connected, but it's obviously not the logo we came to be familiar with. It is plausible that the comics logo was adapted by Rice, and not the other way around, and then Rice connected the letters like in the crawl. Just sayin'.  |
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Post by Confessor on May 26, 2022 4:56:36 GMT -5
Yeah.. I read that... My info was derived from my memory of an article in Alter Ego (I think) where either Chaykin or the PR manager (who coordinated the creation of the comic) said that the original design for issue 1 came BEFORE the Suzy Rice design... The joining of the letters, it was said, was the idea of the cover letterer, which came along with the 2nd issue, and at that point, she integrated into the movie title. HOWEVER, that info I was relaying is probably wrong (misremembered by the PR guy?), after reading this comprehensive page: pittsburghjedi.com/star-wars-logo-origin-development/I did find it interesting that the letter W in Wars continued to change and evolve, through the Rice logo, the Jim Novak comics logo, and Joe Johnston's changes, and more subtle changes over the next 30 or so years! At any rate, thanks Confessor for calling me on it... I will try to find the article I was referencing, which was really interesting, but they constantly say "Whew that was a long time ago... let me see if I remember."... that was probably a red flag I should have heeded. Here is a photo of the original painted-on-glass opening text crawl from the FIRST release of Star Wars... note the modified 1977 poster logo, not the one from the conics. So, the version that appeared on the comics did INDEED come into creation after the movie's title was created, but was retrofitted to be used on marketing materials, (and including subsequent releases of the movies), in line with what I originally posted, and in line with what the PR guy from the original production said. Yes, the ST and RS are connected, but it's obviously not the logo we came to be familiar with. It is plausible that the comics logo was adapted by Rice, and not the other way around, and then Rice connected the letters like in the crawl. Just sayin'. Sorry, but that isn't the crawl from the finished film, as seen in May 1977. It's an earlier prototype version based on the shooting script, with noticeably different wording (plus, the words "Star Wars" were not part of the crawl in the final film). The SW logo seen at the start of the film, immediately after the "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away..." is identical to the one that the Marvel Comic used. So, this doesn't clash with or disprove the accepted story of Rice designing the logo with input from Joe Johnston. |
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Post by tonebone on May 26, 2022 6:58:59 GMT -5
Here is a photo of the original painted-on-glass opening text crawl from the FIRST release of Star Wars... note the modified 1977 poster logo, not the one from the conics. So, the version that appeared on the comics did INDEED come into creation after the movie's title was created, but was retrofitted to be used on marketing materials, (and including subsequent releases of the movies), in line with what I originally posted, and in line with what the PR guy from the original production said. Yes, the ST and RS are connected, but it's obviously not the logo we came to be familiar with. It is plausible that the comics logo was adapted by Rice, and not the other way around, and then Rice connected the letters like in the crawl. Just sayin'. Sorry, but that isn't the crawl from the finished film, as seen in May 1977. It's an earlier prototype version based on the shooting script, with noticeably different wording (plus, the words "Star Wars" were not part of the crawl in the final film). The SW logo seen at the start of the film, immediately after the "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away..." is identical to the one that the Marvel Comic used. So, this doesn't clash with or disprove the accepted story of Rice designing the logo with input from Joe Johnston. Ha Ha Ha... yeah busted again... I should have read it more carefully... it's obviously not the final one. I was just so excited to see a Star Wars BTS pic I had never seen, I leapt on it.  |
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Post by Confessor on May 26, 2022 10:20:34 GMT -5
Sorry, but that isn't the crawl from the finished film, as seen in May 1977. It's an earlier prototype version based on the shooting script, with noticeably different wording (plus, the words "Star Wars" were not part of the crawl in the final film). The SW logo seen at the start of the film, immediately after the "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away..." is identical to the one that the Marvel Comic used. So, this doesn't clash with or disprove the accepted story of Rice designing the logo with input from Joe Johnston. Ha Ha Ha... yeah busted again... I should have read it more carefully... it's obviously not the final one. I was just so excited to see a Star Wars BTS pic I had never seen, I leapt on it. Hey, no harm, no foul.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2022 6:13:31 GMT -5
This issue of Brave and the Bold always stood out to me with the "4 Famous Co-Stars" logo. How are we going to get all the characer logos on there? Just don't! Call them the famous co-stars and mock up some hack logo. Kids will love it cause there's 4 of them...and they're all famous.  |
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Post by tartanphantom on May 27, 2022 8:45:25 GMT -5
This issue of Brave and the Bold always stood out to me with the "4 Famous Co-Stars" logo. How are we going to get all the characer logos on there? Just don't! Call them the famous co-stars and mock up some hack logo. Kids will love it cause there's 4 of them...and they're all famous. By that logic, they should have just gone with the default "Cast of Thousands"... would have been the biggest selling book of the year. |
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Post by arfetto on May 27, 2022 10:08:46 GMT -5
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Post by tartanphantom on May 27, 2022 10:32:07 GMT -5
What I like to call the "Candy Kama Sutra" title logo...
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Post by mikelmidnight on May 27, 2022 11:37:58 GMT -5
This issue of Brave and the Bold always stood out to me with the "4 Famous Co-Stars" logo. How are we going to get all the characer logos on there? Just don't! Call them the famous co-stars and mock up some hack logo. Kids will love it cause there's 4 of them...and they're all famous.
How are they co-stars when two of them are villains? Really, this is just a fill-in Justice League issue!
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2022 11:50:12 GMT -5
This issue of Brave and the Bold always stood out to me with the "4 Famous Co-Stars" logo. How are we going to get all the characer logos on there? Just don't! Call them the famous co-stars and mock up some hack logo. Kids will love it cause there's 4 of them...and they're all famous.
How are they co-stars when two of them are villains? Really, this is just a fill-in Justice League issue!
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Post by MWGallaher on May 27, 2022 12:05:46 GMT -5
This issue of Brave and the Bold always stood out to me with the "4 Famous Co-Stars" logo. How are we going to get all the character logos on there? Just don't! Call them the famous co-stars and mock up some hack logo. Kids will love it cause there's 4 of them...and they're all famous. Judging by the interior lettering for both this and the previous issue, the original intent was to label this a Batman-Green Arrow-Atom team-up:   B&B did publish a few three-way team-ups--Batman teaming with Wonder Woman/Batgirl, Wildcat/Joker, Metamorpho/Plastic Man, and Green Arrow/Metal Men--and those issues had featured all three character logos on the cover. For some reason, though, the Atom got demoted from the headline for issue 129's cover, which was billed instead as Batman and Green Arrow with "co-starring The Atom The Joker Two-Face" in smaller print. I wonder if they had trouble positioning GA's and Atom's logos together (B&B had previously rigged up a one-time Wonder Woman logo to better balance the cover design) and decided first to play up GA, since he was evidently the most popular B&B co-star. Then when the second part appeared, rather than give the Atom his shot, I assume they remembered the "4 Famous Co-Stars" from issue 100 had sold well, and figured they'd give it another try. The Joker team-up in #111 had been a surprise big seller, so promoting villains as formal co-stars was another thing B&B tried several times, so this initially odd-seeming billing may actually be a rational decision attempting to capture characteristics that had previously boosted sales: Green Arrow, villains, and "4 Famous Co-Stars". |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2022 12:15:38 GMT -5
Judging by the interior lettering for both this and the previous issue, the original intent was to label this a Batman-Green Arrow-Atom team-up: B&B did publish a few three-way team-ups--Batman teaming with Wonder Woman/Batgirl, Wildcat/Joker, Metamorpho/Plastic Man, and Green Arrow/Metal Men--and those issues had featured all three character logos on the cover. For some reason, though, the Atom got demoted from the headline for issue 129's cover, which was billed instead as Batman and Green Arrow with "co-starring The Atom The Joker Two-Face" in smaller print. I wonder if they had trouble positioning GA's and Atom's logos together (B&B had previously rigged up a one-time Wonder Woman logo to better balance the cover design) and decided first to play up GA, since he was evidently the most popular B&B co-star. Then when the second part appeared, rather than give the Atom his shot, I assume they remembered the "4 Famous Co-Stars" from issue 100 had sold well, and figured they'd give it another try. The Joker team-up in #111 had been a surprise big seller, so promoting villains as formal co-stars was another thing B&B tried several times, so this initially odd-seeming billing may actually be a rational decision attempting to capture characteristics that had previously boosted sales: Green Arrow, villains, and "4 Famous Co-Stars". I did not remember #100 using this, appreciate that callout on the further history! And as I look at that cover, I instantly like everything about it more...even the "4" itself in the logo looks better to me. Add the fact that it is 4 heroes versus a mix with the villains, and the full character shots on the cover, this looks a lot more compelling IMO. I remember the Joker issue #111 well (love that one), but the juxtaposition that he was somehow teamed up with Batman made that interesting to me. With #130, it looks like Batman and two heroes fighting two villains acting like villains.  |
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Post by berkley on May 27, 2022 21:19:37 GMT -5
I just noticed that the logo for Marvel's 1970s Tarzan comic is pretty much the same as the earlier DC series - anyone know how this came about? I assume they must have somehow acquired the rights to the logo along with the character, which seems odd. Are there any other examples of this kind of thing with other licensed characters that have changed hands over the years, e.g. Doc Savage, Conan, etc?
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Post by Prince Hal on May 27, 2022 23:20:42 GMT -5
I just noticed that the logo for Marvel's 1970s Tarzan comic is pretty much the same as the earlier DC series - anyone know how this came about? I assume they must have somehow acquired the rights to the logo along with the character, which seems odd. Are there any other examples of this kind of thing with other licensed characters that have changed hands over the years, e.g. Doc Savage, Conan, etc? I'm wondering if that was the logo required by the Burroughs estate in that era no matter who issued a Tarzan product. Can't imagine it was created by Joe Kubert or someone at DC and then "purchased" by Burroughs, but maybe they liked it so much they did. It's essentially the same as the logo on the Neal Adams-illustrated paperbacks, too... And here's a 1983 "action figure" that uses the same logo. Have no idea if it's still being used.   |
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Post by MDG on May 28, 2022 6:58:09 GMT -5
^^^^^ Well, its basically a rework of the long-time logo from the Sunday strip.
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