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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2022 11:49:00 GMT -5
I’ve been watching some episodes of 80s cartoon MASK, specifically Season 2, known as the Racing Series. After one season - 65 episodes - of hi-tech organisations MASK and VENOM battling each other around the world, Season 2 had them engaged in motorsports. I’m not here to pick apart that series - and its continuity flaws - but I could! I did enjoy the toys by Kenner.
I also enjoyed Wacky Races years ago. I’d probably watch that again.
And it got me thinking about the kind of things that just don’t translate to the comicbook page. Racing is one of them for me.
I know comics give the “illusion of movement”. Hell, I’ve enjoyed enough punch-ups to know that you have to immerse yourself in the magic. Great talents make it all so seamless on the printed page, so that Batman jumping through that car that the Hulk threw at him has that believability that a good artist can give it. But some things are better in live-action or animation, if you ask me.
I have read racing strips, but they just can’t compare with seeing cartoon or live-action drivers doing the same, not to mention the music and atmosphere. The MASK racing series might be flawed, but there’s no denying the enjoyment I derive from the music, the voice actors, etc. Same with Wacky Races.
What about other examples? CSI would be a good one. Did they do a comic? I think so, although I never read it. But you know, I can find myself engrossed in seeing William Petersen’s Gil Grissom utilise his talents at a crime scene, especially given the atmosphere of Las Vegas. But I just don’t think that I could enjoy it in quite the same way on the printed page. Several panels of Grissom and Captain Brass standing over a dead body atop a car just wouldn’t be my cup of tea in a comic.
Has there ever been a comic or newspaper strip based on a soap? (This is the point where a knowledgable member directs me to one) I’m sure it’s not the norm. That’d be another example for me of something “needing” to be live-action, seeing soap opera exploits on the printed page would not appeal to me in any way, shape or form.
What about the rest of you?
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Aug 7, 2022 11:56:45 GMT -5
Foreign accents in comic books. Never works for me. Characters like Gambit for instance where the writer throws in a french word or two in Gambit's dialogue or spells the word "The" as 'Ze". Sacre Bleu, it izz ze most painful to read, mon chere.
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Post by jason on Aug 7, 2022 12:26:22 GMT -5
How about accents in general?
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Post by kirby101 on Aug 7, 2022 12:34:56 GMT -5
I find most comics derived from TV shows don't work for me. I need to see and hear the actors.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2022 12:41:35 GMT -5
I find most comics derived from TV shows don't work for me. I need to see and hear the actors. Tough one. A magazine I read as a kid, Look-in, featured comic strip adaptations of the likes of The A-Team and Knight Rider (the two greatest TV shows ever, scientifically proven). They were true to the spirit of the shows, and the likenesses were pretty good. Here’s one example:  That I did like. But that magazine also featured an adaptation of Airwolf (the third greatest TV show in history). Now, for that, I need the TV show with its music, its aerial stunts, the movement of the helicopter, etc. A comic strip cannot compete. So I agree with you for the most part. Probably explains why I don’t wish to read comic adaptations of, say, Angel or Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Incidentally, although I like Sonic the Hedgehog, I am not a fan of comicbook adaptations of video games. The aforementioned Look-in had a comic strip adaptation of platform video game Chuck Rock. Sorry, but I want to play video game characters, not read their adventures, Sonic aside. |
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Post by kirby101 on Aug 7, 2022 12:50:44 GMT -5
It's not a matter of good likenesses for me, I just don't feel it's like the real show. It's a personal tic.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2022 12:52:52 GMT -5
It's not a matter of good likenesses for me, I just don't feel it's like the real show. It's a personal tic. Oh, I know. Good likenesses are icing on the cake, if you will. That A-Team strip worked for me as it felt like the TV writers themselves had done it. The characters acted as they did in the series. Good likenesses do not matter if the stories are no good. So I do understand. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2022 12:57:50 GMT -5
In one word, sound. Especially if it's an adaptation of a movie which had a great soundtrack to add to the effect of its scenes.
So when I read 'The Warriors', either the 5-issue adaptation or TPB of the movie, I have to put on the soundtrack (which is really easy to do as it's readily available on youtube).
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Aug 7, 2022 13:15:52 GMT -5
Depicting a song in comics is a complete failure to me. You'll see the singer and the dialouge has the lyrics with some floating music notes. All comes off as a poem to me  Instrumentals can work in comics   |
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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 7, 2022 15:19:29 GMT -5
Most of these I would say it depends on who's doing it. Accents don't really work, unless you can do it through all of the dialogue and that rarely works. prose has the same problem, which is part of what makes Irvine Welsh's Trainspotting a tougher read, since he duplicates the Glasgow accent. Howard Chaykin, via Ken Bruzenak's lettering effects, made effective use of sound, in American Flagg. I could hear, in my head, the sound of the Somnambutol weapons, during riot battles....  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2022 15:36:36 GMT -5
I agree with Ish Kabbible that lyrics with floating music notes comes across as poetry. Just doesn’t work for me. |
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Post by tartanphantom on Aug 7, 2022 22:09:28 GMT -5
Depicting a song in comics is a complete failure to me. You'll see the singer and the dialouge has the lyrics with some floating music notes. All comes off as a poem to me Instrumentals can work in comics
This is the reason why they're comic book creators, and not musicians. Even though, it's important to remember that they're trying to represent aural art form into a visual printed format... which is not an easy task. Plus, considering what page rates are, you're lucky that they tried hard enough to throw in a few music notes to indicate a song.
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Post by berkley on Aug 8, 2022 0:59:57 GMT -5
I'd agree that accents often don't work - but sometimes they do, and I think it depends on the individual reader as much as it does on the writer. For example, I found that Irvine Welsh's Trainspotting flowed very nicely for me, even though I've never been to Scotland and don't know the accent well. I haven't figured out if that's because of Welsh's writing or what. I also found James Kelman's Busconductor Hines read very easily. But I'm sure I'm missing much of the nuance - Welsh's book is set in Edinburgh and Kelman's in Glasgow, but I likely heard them both in much the same accent, which means it's some imaginary, generic Scottish accent in my head rather than how they're really meant to sound.
Sometimes, if an accent is well known through personal experience or from tv/movies, you can imagine or mentally hear it pretty easily - but then there's no need to write the accent, the writer can just let it be known that such and such a character has such and such an accent and the reader can do the rest.
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Post by Confessor on Aug 8, 2022 3:49:47 GMT -5
Kung-Fu (or other similar martial arts). The comic's page always fails to capture the frenetic speed and breath-taking agility of Kung-Fu or Karate. What you get instead is characters frozen in various ungainly poses and we the readers are supposed to imagine how cool the Kung-Fu actually looks to the characters in the comic. Marvel's Master of Kung-Fu is a textbook example of how martial arts don't work in comics.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2022 3:56:05 GMT -5
Kung-Fu (or other similar martial arts). The comic's page always fails to capture the frenetic speed and breath-taking agility of Kung-Fu or Karate. What you get instead is characters frozen in various ungainly poses and we the readers are supposed to imagine how cool the Kung-Fu actually looks to the characters in the comic. Marvel's Master of Kung-Fu is a textbook example of how martial arts don't work in comics. I hadn’t thought about that, but you’re right. |
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