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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 13, 2014 22:35:26 GMT -5
His writing from his avengers run to the present has been great. If he wasn't robbed out of his part in Valiant, who knows where that company would be now.
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Post by shaxper on Nov 13, 2014 23:16:22 GMT -5
His writing from his avengers run to the present has been great. If he wasn't robbed out of his part in Valiant, who knows where that company would be now. I ask myself that all the time. I have no doubt Valiant wouldn't have been sold to acclaim and, thus, would have had a fighting chance for weathering the late 1990s and early 2000s, coming out remaining a viable competitor to DC and Marvel. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 13, 2014 23:48:52 GMT -5
Character first for me, writer a close 2nd. Art has to be really fabulous to get me to buy something just for the art, but bad art will definitely turn me off, too.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Nov 14, 2014 3:20:50 GMT -5
If I had to choose, I'd go with artist, but I've always had a strong bias for good writer/artists since I think that's the ideal creatively in terms of comics.
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Post by fuzzyblueelf on Nov 14, 2014 5:33:46 GMT -5
If we're talking about characters we won't try my list is Vision, Crystal and Havok they are all horrible regardless of who writes them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 7:26:17 GMT -5
If we're talking about characters we won't try my list is Vision, Crystal and Havok they are all horrible regardless of who writes them. Crystal isn't that bad when you remove Quicksilver from her story and just put her in the background as part of a story instead of having the story revolve around her. I honestly think making her into some two-timing, indecisive lady was bad on Marvel's part. Now she just comes off as some sleep-around-slut which is just wrong. They screwed her up as well as Pietro writing them together like they did. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 14, 2014 7:45:57 GMT -5
If we're talking about characters we won't try my list is Vision, Crystal and Havok they are all horrible regardless of who writes them. Crystal isn't that bad when you remove Quicksilver from her story and just put her in the background as part of a story instead of having the story revolve around her. I honestly think making her into some two-timing, indecisive lady was bad on Marvel's part. Now she just comes off as some sleep-around-slut which is just wrong. They screwed her up as well as Pietro writing them together like they did. She is established as a women that likes sex. Nothing wrong with that. Pietro was a difficult husband to stay with. Johnny Storm was into her but he likes to jump from woman to woman as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 7:59:54 GMT -5
Crystal isn't that bad when you remove Quicksilver from her story and just put her in the background as part of a story instead of having the story revolve around her. I honestly think making her into some two-timing, indecisive lady was bad on Marvel's part. Now she just comes off as some sleep-around-slut which is just wrong. They screwed her up as well as Pietro writing them together like they did. She is established as a women that likes sex. Nothing wrong with that. Pietro was a difficult husband to stay with. Johnny Storm was into her but he likes to jump from woman to woman as well. Right. There is nothing wrong with a woman who likes sex. I'm NOT slut-shaming. It's the way they wrote her to be so fickle. They also wrote her to cheat. They wrote her jumping from man to man (or at least that is the impression they were giving, and are still giving, but in a more "unfortunate" way). Pietro probably would never be easy to even deal with, so I couldn't imagine even dealing with him as a husband. |
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Post by fuzzyblueelf on Nov 14, 2014 10:55:25 GMT -5
My bigger problem with the Crystal and Pietro relationship is that the characters have no reason to be together in storyline they have nothing in common the only good thing to come of that relationship was the creation of Luna Maximoff.
I don't think Johnny Storm cheated on his partners? Correct me if I'm wrong.
I dislike Havok more because he cheated on Lorna, left her at the alter and he was abusive towards her and possessive as well he repulses me on so many levels. Which is funny because when I got into comics I liked Havok in the First Class movie and always tried to find him in the cartoons but after finding out what he's actually like I just strongly dislike him and refuse to read any story that has him in it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 11:15:44 GMT -5
My bigger problem with the Crystal and Pietro relationship is that the characters have no reason to be together in storyline they have nothing in common the only good thing to come of that relationship was the creation of Luna Maximoff. I don't think Johnny Storm cheated on his partners? Correct me if I'm wrong. I dislike Havok more because he cheated on Lorna, left her at the alter and he was abusive towards her and possessive as well he repulses me on so many levels. Which is funny because when I got into comics I liked Havok in the First Class movie and always tried to find him in the cartoons but after finding out what he's actually like I just strongly dislike him and refuse to read any story that has him in it. You are so funny, fuzz. I'll read stories with characters I dislike if the story has other characters I like in it, or if the story seems good to me. |
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Post by Earth 2 Flash on Nov 14, 2014 11:20:09 GMT -5
I tend to collect by character rather than by creator but only when the character is being done by creators I like. As for Art vs. Writing, I have to give the edge to Art. I can overlook a bad story if the art is good but bad art (usually) kills a good story. Cei-U! I summon the quick answer off the top of my head! This pretty much sums up how I collect. I might add that a writer who I don't care for has more influence over my NOT buying a story than a writer I like has over my actually purchasing the story.
In summary, character influences me more in purchasing. Poor writing (and artwork) influences me more in NOT purchasing.
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Post by fuzzyblueelf on Nov 14, 2014 11:36:31 GMT -5
My bigger problem with the Crystal and Pietro relationship is that the characters have no reason to be together in storyline they have nothing in common the only good thing to come of that relationship was the creation of Luna Maximoff. I don't think Johnny Storm cheated on his partners? Correct me if I'm wrong. I dislike Havok more because he cheated on Lorna, left her at the alter and he was abusive towards her and possessive as well he repulses me on so many levels. Which is funny because when I got into comics I liked Havok in the First Class movie and always tried to find him in the cartoons but after finding out what he's actually like I just strongly dislike him and refuse to read any story that has him in it. I'll read stories with characters I dislike if the story has other characters I like in it, or if the story seems good to me. That might be true but one things for sure  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2014 14:56:27 GMT -5
My bigger problem with the Crystal and Pietro relationship is that the characters have no reason to be together in storyline they have nothing in common the only good thing to come of that relationship was the creation of Luna Maximoff.I don't think Johnny Storm cheated on his partners? Correct me if I'm wrong. I dislike Havok more because he cheated on Lorna, left her at the alter and he was abusive towards her and possessive as well he repulses me on so many levels. Which is funny because when I got into comics I liked Havok in the First Class movie and always tried to find him in the cartoons but after finding out what he's actually like I just strongly dislike him and refuse to read any story that has him in it. Yet that characterizes so many real world relationships/marriages that it rings absolutely true story-wise. -M |
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Post by Ozymandias on Nov 15, 2014 17:08:42 GMT -5
I have never seen more awesome artists working in any era than this one. There was a time, when you'd see both bad writers and bad artists, creating comics. I'm talking about people earning a living, for doing something that would merit an F, if they still were students. Artists nowadays range from OK to superb, being very difficult to locate one you would send back to school. Writers on the other hand, could take some classes, with a few exceptions. Which brings up the question, when will the industry start being professional, about hiring writers? |
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 15, 2014 17:48:39 GMT -5
I have never seen more awesome artists working in any era than this one. There was a time, when you'd see both bad writers and bad artists, creating comics. I'm talking about people earning a living, for doing something that would merit an F, if they still were students. Artists nowadays range from OK to superb, being very difficult to locate one you would send back to school. Writers on the other hand, could take some classes, with a few exceptions. Which brings up the question, when will the industry start being professional, about hiring writers? I'm glad you see it too. The NU52 Birds of Prey kept having artists after artist that were just top notch. I never heard of any on them. |
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