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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 0:01:03 GMT -5
I think the breaking point in the 90s that tilted things back to writers and burst the superstar artist bubble was the failure of Heroes Reborn to capture the hearts of the readership, and the backlash turned many on the Image boys, causing the fanbase at large to reevaluate a lot of the early Image stuff, etc. The Image crew dissolved soon afterwards too with Wildstorm and Extreme pretty much breaking free, Homage getting going and Top Cow doing its own thing under the Image banner, so the tide of momentum definitely turned at that point and people were seeking an alternative...
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Nov 13, 2014 0:07:01 GMT -5
Good art can get me to pick up a comic, but good writing is what will keep me coming back. Well put sir. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 16:17:08 GMT -5
For me: Character > Concept > Writer > Artist.
I rarely buy something about a character I don't like no matter who the creative team is. If I like the idea or concept behind a series (like All Star Squadron) then I will try it. Since the writer shapes the characters I usually prefer the writer over the artist.
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Post by shaxper on Nov 13, 2014 17:38:25 GMT -5
For me: Character > Concept > Writer > Artist. I rarely buy something about a character I don't like no matter who the creative team is. If I like the idea or concept behind a series (like All Star Squadron) then I will try it. Since the writer shapes the characters I usually prefer the writer over the artist. Don't you find, though, that certain characters suddenly come alive under a good writer and fizzle under a bad one? It took Chris Claremont to make Scott Summers and Jean Grey work. |
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Nov 13, 2014 18:11:00 GMT -5
For me: Character > Concept > Writer > Artist. I rarely buy something about a character I don't like no matter who the creative team is. If I like the idea or concept behind a series (like All Star Squadron) then I will try it. Since the writer shapes the characters I usually prefer the writer over the artist. Don't you find, though, that certain characters suddenly come alive under a good writer and fizzle under a bad one? It took Chris Claremont to make Scott Summers and Jean Grey work. They do...but...if i can be rather contradictory for a minute, I'll get the Legion regardless of who does it. Even Conway and Janes...well...yeah even them. I can be the same md62, but have found that once time progresses, its the stories that matter most. Perez still draws but theres only one Crisis...wait ...what...theres more...bugger |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 19:52:28 GMT -5
For me: Character > Concept > Writer > Artist. I rarely buy something about a character I don't like no matter who the creative team is. If I like the idea or concept behind a series (like All Star Squadron) then I will try it. Since the writer shapes the characters I usually prefer the writer over the artist. Don't you find, though, that certain characters suddenly come alive under a good writer and fizzle under a bad one? It took Chris Claremont to make Scott Summers and Jean Grey work. I agree. This would fall under the concept/idea to try the book. To be honest there are very few characters that I won't try.... |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 13, 2014 20:34:57 GMT -5
For me: Character > Concept > Writer > Artist. I rarely buy something about a character I don't like no matter who the creative team is. If I like the idea or concept behind a series (like All Star Squadron) then I will try it. Since the writer shapes the characters I usually prefer the writer over the artist. I get that different strokes move different boats, but this utterly baffles me. Characters are wholly dependent on what the creators do with them. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 20:48:59 GMT -5
For me: Character > Concept > Writer > Artist. I rarely buy something about a character I don't like no matter who the creative team is. If I like the idea or concept behind a series (like All Star Squadron) then I will try it. Since the writer shapes the characters I usually prefer the writer over the artist. I get that different strokes move different boats, but this utterly baffles me. Characters are wholly dependent on what the creators do with them. Yes I know that but some characters are just so great that I like them unless the writing is just awful. Case in point...I read Spider-Man for decades until OMD. I guess I should switch the character & concept/idea in my list. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Nov 13, 2014 20:59:46 GMT -5
For me: Character > Concept > Writer > Artist. I rarely buy something about a character I don't like no matter who the creative team is. If I like the idea or concept behind a series (like All Star Squadron) then I will try it. Since the writer shapes the characters I usually prefer the writer over the artist. I get that different strokes move different boats, but this utterly baffles me. Characters are wholly dependent on what the creators do with them. Character does affect theme and tone, though - A (current) Batman story will be darker than a (current) Superman story by the same creative team, ferinstance, and different in lots of other ways as well. And well, honestly, I've enjoyed a lot more Daredevil stories than Thor stories, so it's at least semi-logical to assume that I would prefer a Daredevil comic to a Thor comic. I don't buy by character much, but I do have "anything with pirates" on my pull list. So I definitely buy by genre. |
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Post by Action Ace on Nov 13, 2014 22:01:47 GMT -5
Don't you find, though, that certain characters suddenly come alive under a good writer and fizzle under a bad one? It took Chris Claremont to make Scott Summers and Jean Grey work. I agree. This would fall under the concept/idea to try the book. To be honest there are very few characters that I won't try.... Thankfully, for my wallet, there are a lot of characters I won't try. Most of them are at Marvel. In a thread like this about a decade ago I joked that I wouldn't read a Daredevil comic even if Mark Waid wrote it. Here we are and I'm still without interest in picking up a Daredevil comic. I wouldn't buy a Punisher comic if Alan Moore and Neal Adams were the creative team and there was a hundred dollar bill taped to the cover. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2014 22:15:37 GMT -5
I wouldn't buy a Punisher comic if Alan Moore and Neal Adams were the creative team and there was a hundred dollar bill taped to the cover. Horrible financial decision on your part. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 13, 2014 22:25:35 GMT -5
Nowadays, the writer has more influence on my buying. I have never seen more awesome artists working in any era than this one. I will usually buy anything by Moore, Shooter and a few others.
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Post by shaxper on Nov 13, 2014 22:26:39 GMT -5
Nowadays, the writer has more influence on my buying. I have never seen more awesome artists working in any era than this one. I will usually buy anything by Moore, Shooter and a few others. Between this post and the image you provided, I think you need to start an All Things Jim Shooter thread. He's such a polarizing force in comics, and I'm glad to know there's another fan here  |
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 13, 2014 22:29:11 GMT -5
I love his stuff. The Broadway line was vastly underrated and probably missed by comic fans. I am trying to track down his Legion comics in reprint form.
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Post by shaxper on Nov 13, 2014 22:32:52 GMT -5
I love his stuff. The Broadway line was vastly underrated and probably missed by comic fans. I am trying to track down his Legion comics in reprint form. When I picked them up about ten years ago, they were selling for about $3 a piece in mid range condition. Honestly, the Death of Ferro Lad and aftermath aside, I had a pretty hard time getting into them. A little too Silver Age for my tastes. |
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