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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2014 19:42:03 GMT -5
As the self proclaimed biggest Havok fan in the world, I am angered by the lack of love for him in this thread.  I have no say about Havok. He doesn't bother me. But I haven't read much of him interacting with Polaris. |
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Post by Pharozonk on Nov 25, 2014 19:57:23 GMT -5
As the self proclaimed biggest Havok fan in the world, I am angered by the lack of love for him in this thread. I have no say about Havok. He doesn't bother me. But I haven't read much of him interacting with Polaris. You must read more of Mutant X then. |
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Post by foxley on Nov 26, 2014 1:00:48 GMT -5
As the self proclaimed biggest Havok fan in the world, I am angered by the lack of love for him in this thread. Because nothing says "Respect me" like wearing an eggbeater on your head!  |
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Post by Nowhere Man on Nov 26, 2014 1:08:31 GMT -5
So long as Adams doesn't try to write it. The man is still an extraordinary artist, but Batman: Odyssey has convinced he should never attempt to write a comic. (Not that Odyssey was boring. Just flat-out insane.) It's pretty well-written and epic. After you take a toke of course. Which is apparently what Neal Adams did just prior to writing it. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 3:07:26 GMT -5
I was disturbed enough by "Vampire Retcon Chimps" that I checked GCD & Google and found no trace of that being an actual thing. Which is good, because I'm not sure I could've gotten over that. The real name was something like "First X-Men" or "Original X-Men" or "I can't believe it's another X-Men retcon" or somesuch. It was yet another in a long line of crass X-men history retcons: "hey, let's make the X-men origin be that Wolverine & Sabertooth cause Xavier to form the X-Men - that would be coooool!". Apparently the story idea was Neal Adams', and he drew the series. It was so awful in idea, and execution (of both story and art) that is got savaged on the old CBR boards, and various variants of the name "Vampire Retcon Chimps" became short-hand to describe it because, well, it was a retcon, obviously, but also Adams' art was so horrible that most of the characters (Wolverine and Sabertooth in particular) looked like chimps with an over-abundance of teeth (literally, they looked like their faces were distorted by the number of teeth they had) and fangs. Here's an example from a bit of Googling:  That series was a classic example of pretty much everything I hate about Adams' art - terrible storytelling & glib design over comprehensibility, cheating on perspective and character dimensions - and then throw in just plain badly drawn for some of it (I don't like Adams' art for a number of reasons, but I recognise that he has his innate drawing ability - but he was either phoning it in or had completely lost the plot on this one) |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 3:11:18 GMT -5
I was disturbed enough by "Vampire Retcon Chimps" that I checked GCD & Google and found no trace of that being an actual thing. Which is good, because I'm not sure I could've gotten over that. The real name was something like "First X-Men" or "Original X-Men" or "I can't believe it's another X-Men retcon" or somesuch. It was yet another in a long line of crass X-men history retcons: "hey, let's make the X-men origin be that Wolverine & Sabertooth cause Xavier to form the X-Men - that would be coooool!". Apparently the story idea was Neal Adams', and he drew the series. It was so awful in idea, and execution (of both story and art) that is got savaged on the old CBR boards, and various variants of the name "Vampire Retcon Chimps" became short-hand to describe it because, well, it was a retcon, obviously, but also Adams' art was so horrible that most of the characters (Wolverine and Sabertooth in particular) looked like chimps with an over-abundance of teeth (literally, they looked like their faces were distorted by the number of teeth they had) and fangs. Here's an example from a bit of Googling: That series was a classic example of pretty much everything I hate about Adams' art - terrible storytelling & glib design over comprehensibility, cheating on perspective and character dimensions - and then throw in just plain badly drawn for some of it (I don't like Adams' art for a number of reasons, but I recognise that he has his innate drawing ability - but he was either phoning it in or had completely lost the plot on this one) It was called First X-Men, I actually picked up the first couple of issues but never finished reading it, so it came out after I returned form my hiatus so after the beginning of 2012....here's a sample interior page from the second issue...  A bigger problem than Adams art was Christos Gage's writing on it... -M |
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Post by fuzzyblueelf on Nov 26, 2014 4:16:49 GMT -5
As the self proclaimed biggest Havok fan in the world, I am angered by the lack of love for him in this thread. I only feel bad about my hatred of Havok because it would make you feel upset. I really can't stand him anymore. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 5:21:30 GMT -5
It was called First X-Men, I actually picked up the first couple of issues but never finished reading it, so it came out after I returned form my hiatus so after the beginning of 2012.... I think I managed 2 issues as well.... judging from the CBR board comments, there weren't many people that made it much further. As you say, Gage's writing was appalling on it, but that page is a good example of the Vampire Chimps part of the nickname. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 26, 2014 5:37:14 GMT -5
I admit to being a person that buys everything Neal Adams puts out.
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Nov 26, 2014 5:53:28 GMT -5
I'm a fan, but Continuity taught me to avoid his writing.
Mind you, so many of those classic artists we revere from then have radically different styles now...Chaykin, Simonson, and Grell being the main contenders for me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 6:53:09 GMT -5
The real name was something like "First X-Men" or "Original X-Men" or "I can't believe it's another X-Men retcon" or somesuch. It was yet another in a long line of crass X-men history retcons: "hey, let's make the X-men origin be that Wolverine & Sabertooth cause Xavier to form the X-Men - that would be coooool!". Apparently the story idea was Neal Adams', and he drew the series. It was so awful in idea, and execution (of both story and art) that is got savaged on the old CBR boards, and various variants of the name "Vampire Retcon Chimps" became short-hand to describe it because, well, it was a retcon, obviously, but also Adams' art was so horrible that most of the characters (Wolverine and Sabertooth in particular) looked like chimps with an over-abundance of teeth (literally, they looked like their faces were distorted by the number of teeth they had) and fangs. Here's an example from a bit of Googling: That series was a classic example of pretty much everything I hate about Adams' art - terrible storytelling & glib design over comprehensibility, cheating on perspective and character dimensions - and then throw in just plain badly drawn for some of it (I don't like Adams' art for a number of reasons, but I recognise that he has his innate drawing ability - but he was either phoning it in or had completely lost the plot on this one) It was called First X-Men, I actually picked up the first couple of issues but never finished reading it, so it came out after I returned form my hiatus so after the beginning of 2012....here's a sample interior page from the second issue... A bigger problem than Adams art was Christos Gage's writing on it... -M I could have lived the rest of my life NEVER knowing this existed. |
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Post by Nowhere Man on Nov 26, 2014 10:14:01 GMT -5
I love Neal Adams classic work. Some of the stuff he did in the 70's and early 80's is downright masterful. That said, his modern work looks a lot like most of John Byrne's current stuff to me: a parody of past glories. Both men seem to be into goofy looking faces and overwrought expressions nowadays. I'm sure a lot of it has to do with age.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 11:34:41 GMT -5
I could have lived the rest of my life NEVER knowing this existed. I wish I'd lived my life without knowing it existed as well. I definitely wish I'd lived my life without reading two issues of it |
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Post by starscape on Nov 26, 2014 17:25:39 GMT -5
The Vision was amazing in Avengers, particularly for his romance with Wanda. Quite liked Red Tornado too. Not as a standalone character though.
For dishwater dull, tops must be the Sentry. Just too powerful. Wasn't it a million exploding suns or something? And he had a put down fight with Hulk? There's no way the Earth could stand that.
Can't stand Iron Man either. Some guy in armour. That could be anyone. Give the armour to someone else and we have the same power. There's no great personality behind that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 17:29:57 GMT -5
The Vision was amazing in Avengers, particularly for his romance with Wanda. Quite liked Red Tornado too. Not as a standalone character though. For dishwater dull, tops must be the Sentry. Just too powerful. Wasn't it a million exploding suns or something? And he had a put down fight with Hulk? There's no way the Earth could stand that. Can't stand Iron Man either. Some guy in armour. That could be anyone. Give the armour to someone else and we have the same power. There's no great personality behind that. Welcome to our Forum, and I agree about the Sentry - he's definitely tops in my book as one of the most boring Characters in Comic Books. Thanks for sharing it.  |
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