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Post by shaxper on Aug 21, 2023 4:29:21 GMT -5
 It's here (whether you want it or not)! Check out the podcast here, and share your thoughts below! |
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Post by commond on Aug 21, 2023 6:25:23 GMT -5
Fun show. I'm sympathetic towards Shooter as he was in a tough position. I can understand wanting to please your superiors while still trying to do the best for creative, and at the same time trying to uphold standards and produce good work. It's easy to judge from afar, but until you're in put in the other guy's shoes it's impossible to know how you would fare. His peers say he wasn't a people person, but do they stop to think whether being a people person was the ideal approach? Bleeding hearts don't always make for the best leaders. You need to be a hard ass at times. It's more important that you're respected than loved. Ultimately, Jim was fired and the bullpen mocked him on the way out, but very few of those creators survived in the company. If I were Jim Shooter, I'd feel like I got the last laugh, but he channeled his energy in trying to start new comic lines. It's almost impossible for me to view him as anything other than misunderstood. Others can cast him as the villain, and fans loved to so at the 80s conventions, but I've been in leadership roles in the past and it is a lonely road.
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 21, 2023 8:46:57 GMT -5
Fun show. I'm sympathetic towards Shooter as he was in a tough position. I can understand wanting to please your superiors while still trying to do the best for creative, and at the same time trying to uphold standards and produce good work. It's easy to judge from afar, but until you're in put in the other guy's shoes it's impossible to know how you would fare. His peers say he wasn't a people person, but do they stop to think whether being a people person was the ideal approach? Bleeding hearts don't always make for the best leaders. You need to be a hard ass at times. It's more important that you're respected than loved. Ultimately, Jim was fired and the bullpen mocked him on the way out, but very few of those creators survived in the company. If I were Jim Shooter, I'd feel like I got the last laugh, but he channeled his energy in trying to start new comic lines. It's almost impossible for me to view him as anything other than misunderstood. Others can cast him as the villain, and fans loved to so at the 80s conventions, but I've been in leadership roles in the past and it is a lonely road. Lonely is the head that wears the crown. I guess Jeff and I could have gone back and forth forever, but Shooter did what was necessary. If he hadn't made changes, they would have gone out of business like Galton wanted. |
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Post by shaxper on Aug 21, 2023 8:53:43 GMT -5
Fun show. I'm sympathetic towards Shooter as he was in a tough position. I can understand wanting to please your superiors while still trying to do the best for creative, and at the same time trying to uphold standards and produce good work. It's easy to judge from afar, but until you're in put in the other guy's shoes it's impossible to know how you would fare. His peers say he wasn't a people person, but do they stop to think whether being a people person was the ideal approach? Bleeding hearts don't always make for the best leaders. You need to be a hard ass at times. It's more important that you're respected than loved. Ultimately, Jim was fired and the bullpen mocked him on the way out, but very few of those creators survived in the company. If I were Jim Shooter, I'd feel like I got the last laugh, but he channeled his energy in trying to start new comic lines. It's almost impossible for me to view him as anything other than misunderstood. Others can cast him as the villain, and fans loved to so at the 80s conventions, but I've been in leadership roles in the past and it is a lonely road. Lonely is the head that wears the crown. I guess Jeff and I could have gone back and forth forever We DID go back and forth forever. The magic of editing! |
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Post by Ricky Jackson on Aug 21, 2023 18:29:13 GMT -5
Really enjoyed the first ep. You guys have great chemistry and, of course, as much knowledge as anyone. The sky is the limit for this to be a great comics history podcast
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Post by MDG on Aug 21, 2023 20:03:51 GMT -5
Great job! Who did the theme music?
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 21, 2023 20:17:47 GMT -5
Great job! Who did the theme music? without the rabbit in the band. |
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Post by shaxper on Aug 21, 2023 20:57:43 GMT -5
Great job! Who did the theme music? is truly brilliant at this stuff, isn't he? My wife will not stop humming the tune! |
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Post by Confessor on Aug 22, 2023 1:37:16 GMT -5
Great first episode. Well done you two! I don't have particularly strong feelings about Jim Shooter one way or the other, but I really like the comics that came out during his time as EiC at Marvel. For me, that's kind of the proof in the pudding. I also, for the record, liked the first Secret Wars a lot as an 11 or 12 year old kid back in the day and I still think it holds up for what it is: big, dumb superhero fun. Anyway, this was a really fun listening experience. Looking forward to Episode two and the inevitable Jaxxon the space-rabbit special.  |
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Post by EdoBosnar on Aug 22, 2023 2:39:26 GMT -5
Yeah, I really enjoyed listening to the conversation.
My one criticism would probably be the inclusion of that quote from Rick Marschall at the end, simply because I think it says more about him and the type of person he is than about Shooter.
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Post by commond on Aug 22, 2023 4:30:31 GMT -5
Where can we get the full version of the theme tune?
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Post by thwhtguardian on Aug 22, 2023 5:54:06 GMT -5
Where can we get the full version of the theme tune? Ha, it is pretty snappy, I just started listening now. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Aug 22, 2023 7:03:38 GMT -5
You guys( shaxper and Icctrombone) touched on it a little bit in saying that Shooter was dissatisfied with the talent he got at Dark Horse (which I hadn't heard) but did you guys pick those books up? I thought the relaunch of the old Gold Key characters was really awesome and I remember being really surprised to see it go. I do remember some delays, again kind of funny considering Shooter's own hatred of them, and as older and lesser known heroes at a publisher not known for super heroes the sales weren't exactly topping the charts but the stories were solid. I think I remember that what really did it in was the fact that the license was expensive so the books would have had to do gang busters to keep going which is just setting a book up for failure and more on Dark Horse than Shooter. |
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Post by shaxper on Aug 22, 2023 7:30:57 GMT -5
Yeah, I really enjoyed listening to the conversation. My one criticism would probably be the inclusion of that quote from Rick Marschall at the end, simply because I think it says more about him and the type of person he is than about Shooter. It definitely wasn't nice, but I think it offers two important insights: 1. Shooter wasn't respected by some, even before he opened his mouth. 2. It's further proof of his ambition to climb higher at Marvel, which I think is critical to understanding his management style. When he showed up at Marvel and started cleaning house, no one asked him to. Galton was content to have Shooter sit there and watch it all burn, not because Marvel was poorly managed, but because the industry as a whole was in decline. Shooter trying to manage and fix everything may have come about because he had an honest desire to save Marvel, but there's also something implicit in most of Shooter's interviews that he believed he could do Galton's job better than Galton and was out to prove it. In fact, there was a quote from Shooter I could no longer find in time for this episode where he claims the reason he was fired was because the incoming owner knew Shooter knew more than his own management people and was going to throw that in their faces. |
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Post by Jesse on Aug 22, 2023 7:40:56 GMT -5
Awesome, listened to it on my drive to work this morning great conversation!
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