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Post by Ricky Jackson on Nov 16, 2023 0:14:42 GMT -5
I can't lie, I was really into the Spidey gets the Captain Universe powers story when I was a kid (he's stronger than the Hulk now! Cool!) I've never re-read it or ever plan to. I'll let that childhood memory remain pure.
I need to read Simonson's FF someday. He was a guy I totally didn't get when I was 12 years old, but I came to appreciate him later of course. Still, to this day he's an artist I've woefully neglected to indulge in. In fact, even though I'm a huge Thor fan I never finished reading his run on the title. Not even close actually. Give me a couple more years to get around to this stuff...
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Post by commond on Nov 16, 2023 7:57:48 GMT -5
January & February 1990
Betsy Braddock has been turned into an Asian ninja assassin, which I thought was completely badass as a kid but now wonder what the hell Claremont was thinking. On the other hand, Asian Psylocke was more interesting than the Psylocke that ran around in that purple cloak.
The Feb '90 cover dates were a big month for me as a fan -- Walt Simonson debuts on pencils on Fantastic Four, Starlin returns to Marvel on Surfer Surfer, and Liefeld takes over as the penciler on New Mutants. The latter is interesting to me as Marvel Age showed off samples from his sketchbook for two months prior to Rob's first issue and there were all these new characters nobody knew anything about.
For as much crap as Rob gets, there weren't a lot of new characters being introduced around this time. You'd get one or two decent characters per year. One of Englehart's complaints under DeFalco was that there was no progress. No matter what writers tried to do, DeFalco ultimately wanted a return to the status quo, i.e. the Silver Age books that he loved. I'm not sure how correct that is. I'd wager it depended on how well your books were selling. Whatever the case, Rob's sketches were full of dozens of new characters. They may have been straight out of a teenager's head, but at least he was coming up with new ideas.
There's a Shadowline Saga limited series designed to put an end to yet another failed imprint.
There's also a Master of Kung-Fu one shot that makes me wonder if DeFalco was keen to bring that property back. Some months it feels like DeFalco is trying to resurrect everything Marvel ever published.
Despite the fact that G.J. Joe has fallen off most people's radar, the ongoing series is still going strong with art by Mark Bright and Lama finally revealing Snake Eyes' origin. There was a lot to enjoy about this series at the time for readers who were still fans.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 17, 2023 1:14:45 GMT -5
January & February 1990
Betsy Braddock has been turned into an Asian ninja assassin, which I thought was completely badass as a kid but now wonder what the hell Claremont was thinking. On the other hand, Asian Psylocke was more interesting than the Psylocke that ran around in that purple cloak. The Feb '90 cover dates were a big month for me as a fan -- Walt Simonson debuts on pencils on Fantastic Four, Starlin returns to Marvel on Surfer Surfer, and Liefeld takes over as the penciler on New Mutants. The latter is interesting to me as Marvel Age showed off samples from his sketchbook for two months prior to Rob's first issue and there were all these new characters nobody knew anything about. For as much crap as Rob gets, there weren't a lot of new characters being introduced around this time. You'd get one or two decent characters per year. One of Englehart's complaints under DeFalco was that there was no progress. No matter what writers tried to do, DeFalco ultimately wanted a return to the status quo, i.e. the Silver Age books that he loved. I'm not sure how correct that is. I'd wager it depended on how well your books were selling. Whatever the case, Rob's sketches were full of dozens of new characters. They may been straight out of a teenager's head, but at least he was coming up with new ideas.There's a Shadowline Saga limited series designed to put an end to yet another failed imprint. There's also a Master of Kung-Fu one shot that makes me wonder if DeFalco was keen to bring that property back. Some months it feels like DeFalco is trying to resurrect everything Marvel ever published. Despite the fact that G.J. Joe has fallen off most people's radar, the ongoing series is still going strong with art by Mark Bright and Lama finally revealing Snake Eyes' origin. There was a lot to enjoy about this series at the time for readers who were still fans. Was he though? Most of the characters he introduced, either there or in Youngblood, were pretty much carbon copies of existing characters, in interchangeable costumes and interchangeable bodies. Most of his stuff you could put into one of those books were the image is separated on three panels and you can flip back and forth to change one or more segments. He was young and that's what young people do; but, it was hardly better than leaning on established characters, that were better designed or had more rounded personalities. It's all a matter of preference, though. Cockrum had some of the same problems with his Futurians characters, who were mostly copies of the X-Men and Legion characters he created or re-designed. I'll give him credit that it was selling, so he was reaching an audience, regardless of what I think of their tastes. My interests, in that time frame, where in things like The Question, Suicide Squad, The Maze Agency, Grendel, and Dark Horse Presents. With Marvel, my only regular books were Classic X-Men (for the reprints of comics I missed and couldn't afford in back issues), Nick Fury and The Destroyer, plus some odds and ends.
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Post by commond on Nov 17, 2023 7:41:42 GMT -5
When I said they were straight out of a teenager's head, I was implying that they were derivative. However, you can't deny the energy that Rob worked with. He was a guy who had a million ideas, but no filter. When I was a kid, I was considered hyper-active. Rob was a hyper-active artist. There are folks that claim that Cable is a rip off of Walt Simonson's Valance the Hunter, but even if that was the case, Cable went on to become one of the key new characters of the 90s. Whether you like the character or think he's the epitome of 90s crap, he was a new property. If you scratch a little deeper, it was Harras that wanted a new leader for the New Mutants. Louise Simonson had already been working the new character when Harras showed her Rob's sketches.
I'm not a huge fan of Cable, but I think he was a step forward. Bringing back every Marvel character under the sun while newer efforts are getting cancelled isn't a great look. Especially when you're drawing upon the well of cancelled titles ninety percent of the time.
New Mutants had been floundering for a while. I loved the Asgard stuff at the time, but long time readers of the title weren't impressed. Shooter had set ideas about how the X-Men and New Mutants should operate, and after he was fired Claremont and Simonson went back to doing whatever they wanted to do. In Simonson's case, it was basically kids dealing with being mutants. There was an opportunity post-Inferno for the original group of New Mutants to become mentors to a new generation of mutants, but Harras seemed to favor a military theme.
I don't know if the New Mutants would have been cancelled if not for Liefeld, but at some point it would have needed to change. It didn't have a future the way it was constructed. Not in the 90s where everything had an edge to it. I don't have a desire to re-read Liefeld New Mutants, but it's important to consider time and place in these things and not disregard the fact that as a reader I ate it up.
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Post by commond on Nov 18, 2023 17:56:10 GMT -5
March 1990
It seems apropos that one of the first comics published in January, 1990 is New Mutants #87. The 90s are here, baby, and there's nothing you or I can do to stop them.
Marvel Age spotlights the six new books Marvel has planned for 1990 -- Robocop, Namor, Ghost Rider, Guardians of the Galaxy, The New Warriors, and Todd McFarlane's Spider-Man. So, basically a license, a revival of a perpetually cancelled title, two Bronze Age properties, a new idea, and a spinoff series. That's pretty consistent with the books that have come out under DeFalco thus far.
Robocop lasts for 23 issues, Namor ran for 62 issues, Ghost Rider made it all the way to 93 issues, Guardians of the Galaxy also ran for 62 issues, The New Warriors had a 75 issue run, and Spider-Man lasted 98 issues before being relaunched as Peter Parker: Spider-Man. I'd say that was fairly success given the volatile climate of the 90s and the market crash.
At the time I was most interested in Byrne's Namor, though in retrospective I should have realized that he would have some sort of disagreement or other that would lead to him quitting. I liked the design of the new Ghost Rider, and so did a lot of other people it seems. The Guardians of the Galaxy were new for me at the time and an intriguing concept. I liked the early years of The New Warriors and started buying the book off the stands. But for some reason, I was never interested in McFarlane's Spider-Man. I actually collected Erik Larsen's Amazing Spider-Man run instead. I guess I had more faith in the flagship book than the spin-off.
Replacing McFarlane with Larsen was a smart choice by Jim Salicrup as Larsen drew in a style that was similar to Todd's, which made it less of a shock that Todd had left the book. Back in those days, I didn't have a lot of access to the trade magazines and no access to the internet, so the only time I got any info on creative changes was either in the back pages of the letter column or in Marvel Age, or a comic store flier. It was a shock to me as a kid that creative teams changed and that an artist could leave a book and go work on another one. Heck, I was so naïve that it was a shock to me when there was a fill-in issue or a guest penciller. Sometimes I'd keep reading a book when the creative team changed because I liked the characters and other times I would drop the title completely. Amazing Spider-Man I kept reading throughout the DeFalco era.
Other points of interest -- there's a collection of Abslom Daak - Dalek Killer with a very 90s looking cover. There's a new Super-Ted comic, which makes me nostalgic. Epic releases Frank Miller's Elektra Lives Again and Marvel chuck in a trade paperback of Miller's Daredevil in case you wanna fork over some extra cash and get that too. Gerber is working on She-Hulk with a young Bryan Hitch, doing typical Gerber things while firing shots at other creators. Howard the Duck makes an appearance during this run. Byrne later returns to the title, and in typical Byrne fashion he dismisses everything that happened in Gerber's run as a dream she was having.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 18, 2023 20:49:04 GMT -5
Guardians of the Galaxy was the only one I read, for about the first year, out of nostalgia. I always like GOTG, going back to when I first saw them, in The Defenders. Valentino did a decent job with it; but, it quickly became just an excuse to show off some future version of a current hit, like a Wolverine descendent or a future Ghost Rider and I lost interest. The main characters weren't well served. Starhawk was annoying and pompous, without the gender-swapping bit, after they separated Stakar and Aleta.
First time I saw the new Ghost Rider, my first thought was, "Someone went to see Akira."
Never cared for Namor, as a lead character and only picked up the issues revolving around the revived Human Torch and Jaqueline Falsworth being de-aged, after some more blood, and the return of Master Man and Warrior Woman, who still can't stand each other, but, somehow, she hasn't murdered the big lunkhead.
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Post by berkley on Nov 18, 2023 23:18:47 GMT -5
March 1990 Gerber is working on She-Hulk with a young Bryan Hitch, doing typical Gerber things while firing shots at other creators. Howard the Duck makes an appearance during this run. Byrne later returns to the title, and in typical Byrne fashion he dismisses everything that happened in Gerber's run as a dream she was having.
I have that Gerber run and should in fact try reading it soon, since I've gone through a fair number of the other early-90s comics I feel like reading at the moment. I've kept putting this one back, in spite of my liking of most of Gerber's work, because of my distaste for the character. But I'll give it a try soon.
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Post by commond on Nov 19, 2023 19:11:43 GMT -5
April & May 1990
Amid all the hype over Jim Lee, Rob Liefeld and Todd McFarlane, there was still some weird shit being published by Marvel.
Steeltown Rockers is a six issue limited series about a teenage rock band trying to make it out of Pittsburgh created by Elaine Lee and Steve Leialoha. Stalkers is a newsstand Epic comic from Jan Strnad and Mark Verheiden with Mark Texeria on art. Alan Grant and John Wagner bring a Clive Barker project to life for Epic while Moebius and Eric Shanower explore the world of Moebius' Airtight Garage. Not only that, but a Doug Wildey Rio graphic novel, some Moebius Blueberry, Ted McKeever's Plastic Forks, and a bunch of other random shit. Not exactly what springs to mind when you think of 1990 Marvel.
On the superhero front, Byrne is off Avengers West Coast thereby ending my interest in that book. John Romita Jr is shifting over to Iron Man from Daredevil, which was a blow for me as a kid since Daredevil was one of my favorite books. Byrne would soon join JRJR on Ironman, but it wouldn't last.
Dave Cockrum had a Starjammers joint out at the time, but I didn't know anything about Cockrum or the Starjammers at this stage and it was way outside my price range.
G.I. Joe made it to 100 issues, which is an impressive accomplishment for any comic let alone a toy license.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 19, 2023 22:13:13 GMT -5
April & May 1990Amid all the hype over Jim Lee, Rob Liefeld and Todd McFarlane, there was still some weird shit being published by Marvel. Steeltown Rockers is a six issue limited series about a teenage rock band trying to make it out of Pittsburgh created by Elaine Lee and Steve Leialoha. Stalkers is a newsstand Epic comic from Jan Strnad and Mark Verheiden with Mark Texeria on art. Alan Grant and John Wagner bring a Clive Barker project to life for Epic while Moebius and Eric Shanower explore the world of Moebius' Airtight Garage. Not only that, but a Doug Wildey Rio graphic novel, some Moebius Blueberry, Ted McKeever's Plastic Forks, and a bunch of other random shit. Not exactly what springs to mind when you think of 1990 Marvel. On the superhero front, Byrne is off Avengers West Coast thereby ending my interest in that book. John Romita Jr is shifting over to Iron Man from Daredevil, which was a blow for me as a kid since Daredevil was one of my favorite books. Byrne would soon join JRJR on Ironman, but it wouldn't last. Dave Cockrum had a Starjammers joint out at the time, but I didn't know anything about Cockrum or the Starjammers at this stage and it was way outside my price range. G.I. Joe made it to 100 issues, which is an impressive accomplishment for any comic let alone a toy license. Some of that (Rio, definitely) is likely due to some of the increasing instability in the independent scene. The first Rio GN was done at Comico and they were still going, but having problems with cash flow, after trying to go the newsstand route. There were some connections at Marvel, too. Doug Wildey had worked for them, back in the Atlas days and few did westerns better than him. Elaine Lee had done Starstruck at Epic, so there was that. Grant & Wagner were probably connected to Clive Barker and Marvel was doing several Barker projects, because of Hellraiser's success and the uplift that gave to his books. Blueberry was an extension of the ongoing relationship Marvel had with Moebius. McKeever had a connection to Archie Goodwin, after showing him some artwork, in the mid-80s, at a comic con, while he was working as an editorial artist. Goodwin encouraged him to show his samples to as many publishers as possible, which got his Transit picked up by Vortex, for publication. Plastic Forks was supposed to be done at Comico, but their bankruptcy ended that. He showed the finished art to Archie Goodwi, who signed it up, immediately. McKeever also did Metropol, at Epic, but left a follow up, after Marvel switched editors on him, partway into production. Archie was well respected and gave useful advice to young creators and people wanted to work with him, which explains a lot of Epic, compared to the mainstream Marvel. At this point, you could be assured that the book would come out, unlike some of the indies, who were experiencing cash flow problems. Comico went into bankruptcy, First started having problems, Eclipse had been having issues, since their flood, in 1986, which destroyed most of their backstock, which was sold mail order and generated a lot of cash. They limped along, using the money from the sales of one project to get the next one printed and their gaps in series became noticeably longer and longer. Deni Loubert's renegade Press closed up in 1988. Vortex took a big hit in 1988 and limped along, after securing a NASCAR license, that surprised some people about how well it did. 1988 was a rough year on the independent side. There had been a big boom, in the black & white publishing, in 1985-1986, thanks to the success of the TMNT and many others jumped in, in 1987, with color comics and 1988 saw the B&W boom over and done with (most had died by 1987) and the others who jumped in with color soon saw how expensive that was to maintain, especially if you didn't have the cash flow to ride it out while you tried to attract readers. DC and Marvel had a ton of stuff out there, choking off the stands in the shops. Epic was pretty much Archie and when he left for DC, it was pretty well dead, in spirit, despite continuing under Carl Potts. There is a definite shift in the quality of things, aside from the continued licenses, like Akira. Starjammers was okay; nice to have Cockrum back on his creation; but, Terry Kavanagh was so-so, on story. It would have been much better, back in the late 70s, when the material was sort of hot. By that point, it was a reminder of how impenetrable X-Men had become, for an outsider, or people like me, who walked away from it and tried to look at an issue, out of curiosity. Plus, it was a cool mix of characters, who never really got a chance to be fleshed out, before Cockrum was off the book.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 19, 2023 22:25:25 GMT -5
ps I just found some info about Steeltown Rockers, from Back Issue magazine. Larry Hama originated the idea, in a period where Marvel was looking for non-superhero material. It was supposed to be done by his assistant, Pat Redding, but something internal prevented that and Hama asked Elaine Lee if she would give it a go. They originally talked about Barry Windsor Smith drawing it and Lee and BWS had a meeting; but, he passed on it and Leialoha was brought in. Lee had also experienced delays with work on Galactic Girl Guides (from Starstruck), as Comico struggled to get out the Rocketeer Adventure magazine.
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Post by commond on Nov 20, 2023 7:38:40 GMT -5
I hadn't made the connection to Comico folding and other indies struggling. Still impressed that Marvel published some of this stuff.
June, July & August 1990
Marvel really flogged its faithful during the summer of 1990. Not only did the annuals have individual crossovers amongst titles, but more titles than ever before went bi-weekly during the summer and the majority featured multi-part storylines. Add to that a growing number of one shots, limited series, prestige format books and graphic novels, it was almost impossible to keep up with it all There was so much on the market that they even released a special Marvel Age preview issue to cover everything.
Not a lot of the content is memorable 33 years later. In fact, you'd be hard pressed to find a classic storyline among the summer offerings. I ate up The Return of the Sinister Six storyline at the time, but don't know if it's still fun all these years later.
Not part of the Heroes for the 90s campaign during the first six months of the year, but still receiving a revamp, was Deathlok, or rather a new Deathlok for the 90s. His four part prestige format series did well enough that he earnt an ongoing series the following year. This marks Dwayne McDuffiie's shift from an editor to a freelance writer.
Fabian Nicieza stepped up as a full-time writer during the summer and was charged with revamping Alpha Flight and launching The New Warriors.
Tales from the Heart of Africa shifts over to Marvel, and I'm sorry to say I don't know much about this 1980s strip, but it sounds like something I should be aware of.
Brute Force is an odd series about bionic animals fighting to save the environment. Knights of Pendragon is a decent Marvel Universe title produced by Marvel UK.
Marvel continues to release a ridiculous amount of Punisher material per month. There's even a comic released detailing his armory, ffs.
Spider-Man #1 debuts and sells 2.5 million copies thanks to the Marvel marketing team playing the market like a fiddle. Spider-Man continues to be the best selling book in the industry for the rest of the year despite criticisms of McFarlane's writing ability and the pacing of his initial storyline. Todd begins to clash with editorial over the dark content matter of his stories despite the sales.
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Post by commond on Nov 20, 2023 18:50:29 GMT -5
September 1990
Jim Lee took over as the regular penciler on Uncanny X-Men, something I was thrilled about at the time. Little did I know what was brewing behind the scenes. Lee
Weeks was the new penciler on Daredevil. I never read these issues, as so much of my love for Daredevil was tied up in the work Romita Jr and Williamson did. From what I've seen online, Weeks' art wasn't bad. Not sure if I could handle Nocenti at this point.
Starlin's Silver Surfer has been one of Marvel's best titles in 1990 and that extends into Thano's Quest, a two partner that is one of the best Marvel books of the year. There are a lot of folks who feel Thanos should have stayed dead, but this was my generation's introduction to the character and it was badass. One of the few examples in the DeFalco era of bringing back a Bronze Age character and making them stronger than ever.
The most interesting comic from this month is Charles Vess' Spider-Man graphic novel, Spirits of the Earth, which takes Spider-Man out of his usual comfort zone and sees him visiting the Scottish Highlands. A labor of love for Vess that is now on my radar.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 20, 2023 22:21:00 GMT -5
I hadn't made the connection to Comico folding and other indies struggling. Still impressed that Marvel published some of this stuff. June, July & August 1990Marvel really flogged its faithful during the summer of 1990. Not only did the annuals have individual crossovers amongst titles, but more titles than ever before went bi-weekly during the summer and the majority featured multi-part storylines. Add to that a growing number of one shots, limited series, prestige format books and graphic novels, it was almost impossible to keep up with it all There was so much on the market that they even released a special Marvel Age preview issue to cover everything. Not a lot of the content is memorable 33 years later. In fact, you'd be hard pressed to find a classic storyline among the summer offerings. I ate up The Return of the Sinister Six storyline at the time, but don't know if it's still fun all these years later. Not part of the Heroes for the 90s campaign during the first six months of the year, but still receiving a revamp, was Deathlok, or rather a new Deathlok for the 90s. His four part prestige format series did well enough that he earnt an ongoing series the following year. This marks Dwayne McDuffiie's shift from an editor to a freelance writer. Fabian Nicieza stepped up as a full-time writer during the summer and was charged with revamping Alpha Flight and launching The New Warriors. Tales from the Heart of Africa shifts over to Marvel, and I'm sorry to say I don't know much about this 1980s strip, but it sounds like something I should be aware of.
Brute Force is an odd series about bionic animals fighting to save the environment. Knights of Pendragon is a decent Marvel Universe title produced by Marvel UK. Marvel continues to release a ridiculous amount of Punisher material per month. There's even a comic released detailing his armory, ffs. Spider-Man #1 debuts and sells 2.5 million copies thanks to the Marvel marketing team playing the market like a fiddle. Spider-Man continues to be the best selling book in the industry for the rest of the year despite criticisms of McFarlane's writing ability and the pacing of his initial storyline. Todd begins to clash with editorial over the dark content matter of his stories despite the sales. Here is a review of some of it..........
It was written by a former Peace Corps volunteer and is definitely through that perspective. They credit Dan Chichester as shepherding them at Epic, but not much is said how it went to Epic, after a couple of issues at Slave Labor Graphics. My guess would be that maybe Dan Vado helped steer them to Archie, as he took his own, The Griffin, to DC, after doing a couple of issues at SLG, and then wrote some comics for them, for a bit. SLG continued publishing; but, they were usually small releases. Plus, with the industry instability, SLG might have needed to curtail things a bit. Marvel and DC were glutting the stands, especially in the summer months, which was part of why the indies were struggling, as they were being squeezed out in favor of more DC and Marvel product. In regards to the Punisher, never underestimate the power of America's gun fetishism, of which I can admit my own guilt, though the only firearm I have ever owned was a .20 gauge Harrington and Richardson shotgun, which was given to me on my 14th birthday, for rabbit hunting, on my grandfather's farm. It got used for a couple of seasons, then put away for decades, after I had my fill of hunting, after my father wounded a rabbit, picked it up and it started squealing. After that, I fired firearms in the military and nothing since. Nevertheless, back in the day, I had copies of gun magazines and the book Small Arms of the World, though part of that was reference material for drawing my own stuff. I read the Executioner novels and they had an Executioner's War Book, which featured his War Wagon (a tricked out van that he traveled in) and his primary weapons (the .44 Automag, long before Dirty Harry picked up one, and all kinds of military firearms and long range sniper rifles). The Punisher swiped those ideas, right down to the title of the companion series, Punisher War Journal. Later Mack Bolan books, done in the 80s and later, featured actual illustrations and photos of weapons used in that month's book. Fabian Nicieza and Alpha Flight.....don't get me started on that one. Hey, let's finally admit that Northstar is gay and have him come out....in the middle of a fight scene.....against some conservative jerk called Major Mapleleaf....in a Mountie's uniform! Wonder why Neil Gaiman got awards from GLAAD and other LBGT advocacy groups and Nicieza didn't? Might have helped if Marvel hadn't gotten cold feet and buried any mention of it, after it hit the national news and they were unprepared for the feedback. Any mention of it disappeared faster than Nick Fury and Wolverine's cigars, on trading cards.
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Post by chaykinstevens on Nov 21, 2023 4:45:22 GMT -5
Fabian Nicieza and Alpha Flight.....don't get me started on that one. Hey, let's finally admit that Northstar is gay and have him come out....in the middle of a fight scene.....against some conservative jerk called Major Mapleleaf....in a Mountie's uniform! Wonder why Neil Gaiman got awards from GLAAD and other LBGT advocacy groups and Nicieza didn't? Scott Lobdell had taken over from Nicieza as writer by the time Northstar flew out of the closet in Alpha Flight #106.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 21, 2023 8:08:03 GMT -5
I read some of the X-Men issues from around this time... I've vaguely been collecting them when I see them cheap... they are... really bad. The only issue that was decent was Wolverine and Rogue try to escape Genosha. The one where Polaris has her powers stolen is nearly incomphrensible, then a bit later she essentially turns in to She-Hulk (she's like 8 feet tall and invulnerable... I didn't know about that). The bad guys seem to be Donald Pierce and the Reavers, which are pretty generic. The last one was Hulk-Polaris, Amanda Sefton, a very young and crazy Legion and a bunch on non powered support characters defending Muir Isle from the Reavers. Boy, did Claremont run out of ideas.
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