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Post by EdoBosnar on Nov 28, 2023 14:40:42 GMT -5
Yeah, lots of generalizations here by both parties, none of which resemble my own experiences growing up in the U.S.
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Post by tonebone on Nov 28, 2023 17:44:49 GMT -5
As for "it was written by adults".... I can't believe I have to make this argument, but writers don't always write "in their own voice", especially when writing for kids. I firmly believe that middle aged suit-wearing cigar-smoking men at DC sure as hell "wrote what they thought kids wanted to read". I don't think Mort Weisinger was very concerned with the fragile psyches of America's youth, or their future relationship issues. I'm sorry, but if anyone thinks that the humiliation and objectification of women is the perfect entertainment for youth, it's not the fault of the readers. It's the author who had the idea. I also believe the mantra of "that didn't age well" and that "we are in a more enlightened time" is pedantic and futile, and sucks the fun right out of all pop culture. If we are always looking down our nose at the entertainment of the past, we won't see what made it fun for past generations, or ourselves in a younger age. There are limits to ethical relativism. Some things are wrong no matter how much one wants to contextualize them. You cannot, for example, justify "Birth of a Nation" by saying "it was a different era etc". It is a racist work full of historical falsehoods. We can obviously appreciate the technical aspects, but if someone said "Don't judge it with modern eyes, when he says that blacks are subhumans who only want to rape white women you have to put it in the historical context and just enjoy it and have fun!" I would ask him if he is in the right mind . I am not saying the "norms" of the past are correct, or ever were correct. I am saying that if you can only view the past through the lens of the present, you will quickly find yourself having nothing to enjoy from the past. I am capable of reading those stories of Superman pranking Lois, and pushing aside the societal norms of the day and enjoy the story. I am also able to put aside the fact that the main character can push around planets, disguises himself with a pair of glasses, and wears his underwear on the outside. I am going to politely overlook the fact that you made a pointed correlation to what I said with me enjoying racist propaganda. |
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Post by majestic on Nov 29, 2023 16:43:07 GMT -5
Unfortunately, Superman was not an outlier in how he treated Lois. Most TV shows and other comics were the same. Jan Van Dyne, Sue Storm, Betty Brandt, all treated like crap. True. I just watched an "I Love Lucy" episode where Ricky spanked Lucy at the end of the show. But I learned how to treat women with respect not from TV but from my father. |
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Post by kirby101 on Nov 29, 2023 17:29:24 GMT -5
Unfortunately, Superman was not an outlier in how he treated Lois. Most TV shows and other comics were the same. Jan Van Dyne, Sue Storm, Betty Brandt, all treated like crap. True. I just watched an "I Love Lucy" episode where Ricky spanked Lucy at the end of the show. But I learned how to treat women with respect not from TV but from my father. I never understood what was so wrong about Lucy wanting to perform at the club. If she was talented enough, why not? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2023 20:10:03 GMT -5
True. I just watched an "I Love Lucy" episode where Ricky spanked Lucy at the end of the show. But I learned how to treat women with respect not from TV but from my father. I never understood what was so wrong about Lucy wanting to perform at the club. If she was talented enough, why not? Because it was a light comedy and the silly premise made people laugh? |
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 29, 2023 20:25:36 GMT -5
Lucy didn’t have talent.
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Post by tarkintino on Nov 29, 2023 22:15:51 GMT -5
I never understood what was so wrong about Lucy wanting to perform at the club. If she was talented enough, why not? Because it was a light comedy and the silly premise made people laugh? Because it was a light comedy and the silly premise made people laugh? This, and... ...this. That was the running joke of I Love Lucy: the untalented person desperately trying to find their way into show business, and stumbling over herself every time. Typical sitcom repetition of gags, similar to Herman Munster scaring the life out of anyone turning to face him for the first time, Gilligan screwing up an attempt to escape the island, or just about any number of things from the trend of "dumb husband / long-suffering, smarter wife" sitcoms ( The Simpsons, Family Guy, The King of Queens, etc.). |
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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 29, 2023 22:25:57 GMT -5
Oh, you mean Lucy Ricardo... For a minute there, I thought you meant Lucille Ball. >Phew!< |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 30, 2023 10:31:10 GMT -5
Oh, you mean Lucy Ricardo... For a minute there, I thought you meant Lucille Ball. >Phew!<Why not both? |
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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 30, 2023 10:40:05 GMT -5
Oh, you mean Lucy Ricardo... For a minute there, I thought you meant Lucille Ball. >Phew!<Why not both? Because the latter was bright, brave and multi-talented in a time when that combination of qualities in a woman in her field was not often tolerated, let alone respected. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 30, 2023 11:15:07 GMT -5
Because the latter was bright, brave and multi-talented in a time when that combination of qualities in a woman in her field was not often tolerated, let alone respected. I'm mostly joking. I recognize that Lucy was a very talented lady. I just didn't personally find her funny at all. But comedy is very subjective. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 30, 2023 12:18:52 GMT -5
Because the latter was bright, brave and multi-talented in a time when that combination of qualities in a woman in her field was not often tolerated, let alone respected. I'm mostly joking. I recognize that Lucy was a very talented lady. I just didn't personally find her funny at all. But comedy is very subjective. Oh, I know you were. But everybody really should see her in her movie days. "Without Love;" "Du Barry Was a Lady;" "Stage Door;" "Five Came Back;" "Lured;" and "The Big Street" spring right to mind, but she was in scores of movies in bit parts, or the third showgirl from the left in others, and she always stood out. Sassy, sharp and sarcastic, she held her own with everybody. And she could dance and do slapstick and was stunningly beautiful on top of it all.  It's just a shame that her "Here's Lucy" era ever existed. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 30, 2023 19:20:17 GMT -5
Explain this  |
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Post by Ricky Jackson on Nov 30, 2023 20:05:16 GMT -5
Pre-code Archie
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2023 20:08:24 GMT -5
Explain this
I so need this.
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