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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 12, 2023 6:53:04 GMT -5
I love that JLA/ Avengers series but they made the Avengers look far inferior. They showed Superman beating Thor but they didn't want to show Cap beating Batman. That was weak.
Okay, in Batman's in-universe defense, up to that time in his published history, he faced far stronger opponents--some with otherworldly and/or technologically advanced powers, so he proved his battle-readiness against them through his well-known ingenuity / making quick assessments of an opponent's skills, and adjusting accordingly--an acceptable reason Captain America could not defeat Batman outright. I never thought Cap should beat Batman outright but there should have been a decisive winner. And Batman's prep time plot device is really overdone.
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Post by Rags on Dec 12, 2023 7:43:40 GMT -5
*cough*
I usually don't see eye-to-eyebag with Alan Moore...who's always in a rage when you use his Watchmen characters while he helps himself to Alice In Wonderland, Dorothy from Wizard of Oz and Wendy from Peter Pan and turns them into a bunch of raging nymphomaniacs.
And that's coming from someone who likes a generous helping of ribaldry in her comics....but I digress...
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Post by MDG on Dec 12, 2023 10:14:50 GMT -5
Superman catches the enchanted hammer and beats Thor in the JLA/ Avengers crossover. The trouble is - the hammer is magic. Superman is vulnerable to Magic. Well, this can open up all sorts of theological discussions. If Thor is a god, are his powers magical or divine? Do those mean the same thing? Is Superman vulnerable to all supernatural forces? Could he beat up Jesus?
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 12, 2023 10:31:08 GMT -5
Well, the hammer certainly is magic. That’s what this battle is about. From the movies , it was explained that asgardians are aliens.
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Post by Prince Hal on Dec 12, 2023 11:05:06 GMT -5
Well, the hammer certainly is magic. That’s what this battle is about. From the movies , it was explained that asgardians are aliens. The Rainbow Bridge is a porous border.
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Post by zaku on Dec 12, 2023 11:48:47 GMT -5
Funny thing is, if this crossover had been produced in the late 1960s (arguably the greatest run of the Avengers title), I doubt Marvel would have agreed to DC characters' advantages. I don't know, in the 60s Superman was literally juggling planets. If it had ended up in a slugfest like the crossover in question I doubt the Avengers would have lasted more than a few minutes. I remember when the Avengers fought a Nefaria who had powers that were only a fraction of the Silver Age Superman. He practically humiliated "Earth's Mightiest Heroes".
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Post by mikelmidnight on Dec 12, 2023 12:16:14 GMT -5
Artwork aside, I thought the Avengers/JLA crossover was pretty dire. Definitely not Kurt Busiek's finest moment as a writer. It made me really wish we'd gotten to see the original planned story years earlier. This felt like a muddled, fan service mess ... that Busiek had tried to fit in every single 'cool' scene and interaction he could, to the detriment of narrative coherence.
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Post by mikelmidnight on Dec 12, 2023 12:20:34 GMT -5
*cough* I usually don't see eye-to-eyebag with Alan Moore...who's always in a rage when you use his Watchmen characters while he helps himself to Alice In Wonderland, Dorothy from Wizard of Oz and Wendy from Peter Pan and turns them into a bunch of raging nymphomaniacs. And that's coming from someone who likes a generous helping of ribaldry in her comics....but I digress... I have some ambivalence about the series. Moore was trying to do literary pornography, and to my it was poor literature and ... poor pornography although granted everyone's tastes are different. On the other hand, I think the artwork is stunningly gorgeous. And the writing does show a lot of care ... Moore clearly considered this one of his major works and the psychological investment is quite evident.
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Post by kirby101 on Dec 12, 2023 13:15:19 GMT -5
I never found Melinda Gebbie's art other than awkward and slightly amateurish.
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 12, 2023 13:26:55 GMT -5
*cough*
I usually don't see eye-to-eyebag with Alan Moore...who's always in a rage when you use his Watchmen characters while he helps himself to Alice In Wonderland, Dorothy from Wizard of Oz and Wendy from Peter Pan and turns them into a bunch of raging nymphomaniacs.
And that's coming from someone who likes a generous helping of ribaldry in her comics....but I digress...
I’m afraid to buy this book.
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Post by Rags on Dec 12, 2023 16:03:28 GMT -5
I’m afraid to buy this book.
Mine comes in 3 books actually, in a boxed set in a slipcase. It was a present from someone who heard the name Alan Moore but didn't exactly know what it was.
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Post by Ricky Jackson on Dec 12, 2023 16:44:50 GMT -5
I got my Lost Girls slipcase years back. Read it once. I've always been interested in the era depicted (pre-WW I) and the culture of the time, was a big Moore fan back then, and well, yes, I was definitely intrigued by the, um, subject matter, I can't lie. I remember liking the ending. It's been collecting dust for 15 + years. Looks nice on the shelf if nothing else
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Post by commond on Dec 12, 2023 17:35:31 GMT -5
Go Dorrie! Happily married, kids, that's the good stuff. Sorry Johnny, you're looking for love in all the wrong places. Sadly, Sam and Dorrie didn't last. They ended up getting divorced.
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 12, 2023 18:09:48 GMT -5
Go Dorrie! Happily married, kids, that's the good stuff. Sorry Johnny, you're looking for love in all the wrong places. Sadly, Sam and Dorrie didn't last. They ended up getting divorced. Where did it state that?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2023 18:09:55 GMT -5
Go Dorrie! Happily married, kids, that's the good stuff. Sorry Johnny, you're looking for love in all the wrong places. Sadly, Sam and Dorrie didn't last. They ended up getting divorced. Of course they did. Comic book writers just love breaking up happy things lol.
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