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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 1, 2023 17:58:06 GMT -5
I'm still waiting for precise ruling on anthology books. If Jonah's out, Showcase, and others, then I might be truly sunk in my picks. There's so much gray area on all of these. Cei-U! , can we get a final post on the rules and their explanations? Yeah, I might sit on the fence as I'm not sure about some of my picks. Like X-23 / Laura Kinney.... I would think she'd count. Sure, her actual debut was in the cartoon but her first comic appearance was in a sort of team book before she got her first of many mini series after appearing there. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 1, 2023 18:23:47 GMT -5
Ha, She hulks first appearance is She Hulk #1. It's not a spin off.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 1, 2023 18:41:32 GMT -5
Ha, She hulks first appearance is She Hulk #1. It's not a spin off. Yeah, that one got me for sure |
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Post by Confessor on Dec 1, 2023 20:10:14 GMT -5
Ha, She hulks first appearance is She Hulk #1. It's not a spin off. Yeah, that one got me for sure I'm also wondering how Nick Fury, Agent of SHIELD qualifies, since it is absolutely the same character who appeared as the lead character in the Sgt. Fury and his Howling Commandos series. It doesn't fit the definition of spin off that we've now established. Not that I mind, as he's one of my picks!  But still, I'm not sure I understand how the spy era Nick Fury is allowed. |
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Post by berkley on Dec 1, 2023 20:43:01 GMT -5
Yeah, that one got me for sure I'm also wondering how Nick Fury, Agent of SHIELD qualifies, since it is absolutely the same character who appeared as the lead character in the Sgt. Fury and his Howling Commandos series. It doesn't fit the definition of spin off that we've now established. Not that I mind, as he's one of my picks! But still, I'm not sure I understand how the spy era Nick Fury is allowed.
I was wondering earlier in the thread if we could take the WWII series as just as much a team as a solo book - looking at the logo, 'Howling Commandos' is given equal prominence to 'Sgt. Fury', whereas I'd expect it to be much smaller if it were strictly a solo Sgt. Fury series; but it's been a long time since I read them so I don't recall if that's reflected in the stories.
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Post by Confessor on Dec 1, 2023 20:47:57 GMT -5
I'm also wondering how Nick Fury, Agent of SHIELD qualifies, since it is absolutely the same character who appeared as the lead character in the Sgt. Fury and his Howling Commandos series. It doesn't fit the definition of spin off that we've now established. Not that I mind, as he's one of my picks! But still, I'm not sure I understand how the spy era Nick Fury is allowed. I was wondering earlier in the thread if we could take the WWII series as just as much a team as a solo book - looking at the logo, 'Howling Commandos' is given equal prominence to 'Sgt. Fury', whereas I'd expect it to be much smaller if it were strictly a solo Sgt. Fury series; but it's been a long time since I read them so I don't recall if that's reflected in the stories.
Yeah, maybe that's the thinking, but from the little I've read of those WW2 Fury comics, Nick always seemed to be the star. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Dec 1, 2023 21:47:36 GMT -5
I was wondering earlier in the thread if we could take the WWII series as just as much a team as a solo book - looking at the logo, 'Howling Commandos' is given equal prominence to 'Sgt. Fury', whereas I'd expect it to be much smaller if it were strictly a solo Sgt. Fury series; but it's been a long time since I read them so I don't recall if that's reflected in the stories.
Yeah, maybe that's the thinking, but from the little I've read of those WW2 Fury comics, Nick always seemed to be the star. True, but then there were always issues that focused on one of the Howlers alone, which may work to your (and my) advantage toward seeing SHIELD as a spin-off. Especially because Gabe and Dum Dum were in the SHIELD series, too. |
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Post by shaxper on Dec 2, 2023 0:09:12 GMT -5
Yeah, that one got me for sure I'm also wondering how Nick Fury, Agent of SHIELD qualifies, since it is absolutely the same character who appeared as the lead character in the Sgt. Fury and his Howling Commandos series. It doesn't fit the definition of spin off that we've now established. I think one could easily argue that Nick Fury, Agent of SHIELD is a spin-off of his first modern day appearance in Fantastic Four #21. He's a pretty different character in the 1960s than he was two decades earlier, and so much of that issue sets the tone for Agent of SHIELD. Anyway, I think I have my twelve at this point. Just need to sort out the order. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 2, 2023 7:44:28 GMT -5
I'm also wondering how Nick Fury, Agent of SHIELD qualifies, since it is absolutely the same character who appeared as the lead character in the Sgt. Fury and his Howling Commandos series. It doesn't fit the definition of spin off that we've now established. I think one could easily argue that Nick Fury, Agent of SHIELD is a spin-off of his first modern day appearance in Fantastic Four #21. He's a pretty different character in the 1960s than he was two decades earlier, and so much of that issue sets the tone for Agent of SHIELD. Anyway, I think I have my twelve at this point. Just need to sort out the order. I can see it working for Nic Fury. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 2, 2023 7:46:13 GMT -5
There are dozens maybe into a hundred characters available. The problem is - which ones are your favorite ? Wolverine and Deadpool are major players these days But I don't like them in the comics. Do I choose them just to fill a list ?
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 2, 2023 8:22:40 GMT -5
Hmm, good question. I throw the question open to the group. Should these series (and X-Factor) be counted as spin-offs of Uncanny X-Men, since they share that title's basic premise even though they technically didn't debut in the comic? I'm inclined to say yes (this would also allow She-Hulk to qualify) but will bow to the consensus opinion. Cei-U! I summon the debate!
If you allow those, then you would probably have to allow characters introduced in someone else's series with the explicit purpose of promoting their own series as well. X-Factor should already fit your guidelines for a spin-off. New Mutants and Excalibur were clearly introduced to become their own titles without any concern for organically emerging from the pages of their parent title. However, New Mutants fans could always go with the Magik limited series... That may be on my list already  I feel like New Mutants is more of a spin off then X-Factor. New Mutants is a new class of students... X-Factor is more of a brand expansion. You could argue both are for sure. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 2, 2023 8:26:16 GMT -5
Superboy sure feels like a "spin-off", but if King Conan doesn't count as a spin-off from Conan, than I suppose for the purposes of this Christmas, Superboy isn't a spin-off of Superman. As long as we're playing by the same rulebook, that's fine by me, but for the record, he probably would have made my list going by my own instinctive definitions of the term. If you're asking my opinion, 60s Superboy that was Clark Kent as a boy? No. Connor Kent's 90s book, however, clearly was a spin off of the Death of Superman event. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 2, 2023 8:30:22 GMT -5
I'm also wondering how Nick Fury, Agent of SHIELD qualifies, since it is absolutely the same character who appeared as the lead character in the Sgt. Fury and his Howling Commandos series. It doesn't fit the definition of spin off that we've now established. Not that I mind, as he's one of my picks! But still, I'm not sure I understand how the spy era Nick Fury is allowed.
I was wondering earlier in the thread if we could take the WWII series as just as much a team as a solo book - looking at the logo, 'Howling Commandos' is given equal prominence to 'Sgt. Fury', whereas I'd expect it to be much smaller if it were strictly a solo Sgt. Fury series; but it's been a long time since I read them so I don't recall if that's reflected in the stories.
Its definitely a team book.. while Fury is the leader, the rest of the cast is also constant. You wouldn't call it a solo series any more than you would call Avengers a Captain America series. |
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Post by Confessor on Dec 2, 2023 8:53:25 GMT -5
There are dozens maybe into a hundred characters available. The problem is - which ones are your favorite ? Wolverine and Deadpool are major players these days But I don't like them in the comics. Do I choose them just to fill a list ? My answer to that would be a resounding "no". I'm only interested in choosing and then writing about characters I actually like or have read a decent amount of. That's why I'm struggling to find more than half a dozen entries for my list!  |
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Post by DubipR on Dec 2, 2023 9:14:23 GMT -5
There are dozens maybe into a hundred characters available. The problem is - which ones are your favorite ? Wolverine and Deadpool are major players these days But I don't like them in the comics. Do I choose them just to fill a list ? My answer to that would be a resounding "no". I'm only interested in choosing and then writing about characters I actually like or have read a decent amount of. That's why I'm struggling to find more than half a dozen entries for my list! Same. It's runs of titles than the characters themselves. Sure the characters are key to it, but its the run or arcs that Kurt wants us to explain. I think I've found some books and runs that might work. They're enjoyable (to me), I think they fit the criteria. My Dubious Dozen (so far) 3 Marvel 6 DC 3 Independent I have alternates just in case I feel like switching out. My selections are from whatever comics I have left and trade collections. I'm sure I'm missing tons of spin-off but I think I got some fun surprises for you all. -R |
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But still, I'm not sure I understand how the spy era Nick Fury is allowed.
