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Post by aaronstack on May 1, 2024 4:34:42 GMT -5
I was wondering what people's opinions are around binding comics into hardcover volumes? This sort of thing: I was considering doing it to get some of my favourites out of longboxes and readable on my shelves. Things like 2001 and Logan's Run which are unlikely ever to be reprinted in hardcovers, and then maybe other longer complete runs. I've come across a discussion board of people who do this, but I'm interested in what you guys think. I'm not too stressed about resale value of the original comics as I'm unlikely to ever sell them anyway. So: yea or nay?
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Post by EdoBosnar on May 1, 2024 6:12:59 GMT -5
Definite 'yea' from me; I've had several series or runs bound, including - yes - Logan's Run... ...as well as the original Charlton run of E-man... ...which I think has been collected into a now out-of-print tpb once, but I also wanted the various back-up stories and letters pages: Since, like me, you're not interested in the resale value of your books, this is a really great way to go, because it's so much better and easier to have them on a shelf rather than bagged and stuffed in boxes that you rarely feel like pulling out.
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Post by driver1980 on May 1, 2024 8:43:34 GMT -5
Have never thought about it deeply, but having now seen the above posts, I think they look great!
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Post by DubipR on May 1, 2024 9:45:31 GMT -5
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Post by tonebone on May 1, 2024 10:41:09 GMT -5
I self bound the Geoff Johns and Gary Frank Superman Secret Origin series... the hardest part was finding someone to print the cover for me... No one would do it, since "it's copyrighted". So I printed it at work on the color copier, on regular paper... not ideal. This was all a test to see if I could do it, since I wanted to bind Logan's Run, and Captain Carrot.
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Post by Confessor on May 1, 2024 11:07:45 GMT -5
Loving the examples of self-binging in this thread. Those are some beautiful looking volumes, folks.
I've always kind of liked the idea of binding comics together like this, but have never had it done. A friend of mine did with a few series -- he has a very handsome digest-sized hardcover of mini black & white reprints of Will Eisner's Spirit sections that were reprinted in the '70s: that's a really nice volume.
Here's some CCF trivia: I'm actually a fully qualified book binder. I studied it when I did my printing apprenticeship straight out of school. I haven't bound anything for, like, 25 years or so, but yeah...I still have my bookbinding vocational qualification certificate.
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Post by driver1980 on May 1, 2024 11:40:59 GMT -5
Loving the examples of self-binging in this thread. Those are some beautiful looking volumes, folks. I've always kind of liked the idea of binding comics together like this, but have never had it done. A friend of mine did with a few series -- he has a very handsome digest-sized hardcover of mini black & white reprints of Will Eisner's Spirit sections that were reprinted in the '70s: that's a really nice volume. Here's some CCF trivia: I'm actually a fully qualified book binder. I studied it when I did my printing apprenticeship straight out of school. I haven't bound anything for, like, 25 years or so, but yeah...I still have my bookbinding vocational qualification certificate. Well done, sir! I don’t have a complete collection of the Super Powers mini-comics, but if I did, or if I ever do, those are definitely comics I’d like to put together, so I’d probably ask for expertise on that. (It is a pipe dream, though)
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Post by codystarbuck on May 1, 2024 11:41:50 GMT -5
I self bound the Geoff Johns and Gary Frank Superman Secret Origin series... the hardest part was finding someone to print the cover for me... No one would do it, since "it's copyrighted". So I printed it at work on the color copier, on regular paper... not ideal. This was all a test to see if I could do it, since I wanted to bind Logan's Run, and Captain Carrot. Speaking as a manager of a print shop, that is because it is illegal to reproduce copyrighted material without the permission of the copyright holder. I deal with this all the time. Just because the technology exists to do it easily and cheaply doesn't mean you have the legal right to do it. Your car can go, theoretically, up to 100 mph; but it is still illegal to drive above the speed limit. I shake my head at some people's arguments about copyright. It is there to protect the artist's work, for a period of time, yet a certain subset seem to think it shouldn't matter, because it interferes with their desires. Corporate-driven copyright extensions are a different argument. The commercial printer would be liable for the civil and possibly criminal penalties of violating the copyright, which is why they won't do it. My company's legal department seems to believe that having customers acknowledge that they are either the copyright holder or have permission, when tendering orders, is sufficient protection, putting the burden on the customer. We print all kinds of violations, since that was enacted. I'm waiting to see it challenged in court and not stand up to judicial scrutiny. Time will tell.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2024 12:57:14 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind doing it with coverless comics, with a personalised cover. My dealer would use something from deviantart or the like.....
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Post by tonebone on May 1, 2024 18:43:49 GMT -5
I self bound the Geoff Johns and Gary Frank Superman Secret Origin series... the hardest part was finding someone to print the cover for me... No one would do it, since "it's copyrighted". So I printed it at work on the color copier, on regular paper... not ideal. This was all a test to see if I could do it, since I wanted to bind Logan's Run, and Captain Carrot. Speaking as a manager of a print shop, that is because it is illegal to reproduce copyrighted material without the permission of the copyright holder. I deal with this all the time. Just because the technology exists to do it easily and cheaply doesn't mean you have the legal right to do it. Your car can go, theoretically, up to 100 mph; but it is still illegal to drive above the speed limit. I shake my head at some people's arguments about copyright. It is there to protect the artist's work, for a period of time, yet a certain subset seem to think it shouldn't matter, because it interferes with their desires. Corporate-driven copyright extensions are a different argument. The commercial printer would be liable for the civil and possibly criminal penalties of violating the copyright, which is why they won't do it. My company's legal department seems to believe that having customers acknowledge that they are either the copyright holder or have permission, when tendering orders, is sufficient protection, putting the burden on the customer. We print all kinds of violations, since that was enacted. I'm waiting to see it challenged in court and not stand up to judicial scrutiny. Time will tell. There's also the legal term "fair use".... I'm not going to make any money, or take any money away from a company by printing ONE image, and using it for my hobby. I do understand that it is YOU who would be legally accountable for allowing it, but it's wrong. Not your fault, but the courts will ALWAYS be on the side of the corporation in 2024.
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Post by MRPs_Missives on May 1, 2024 18:58:31 GMT -5
Speaking as a manager of a print shop, that is because it is illegal to reproduce copyrighted material without the permission of the copyright holder. I deal with this all the time. Just because the technology exists to do it easily and cheaply doesn't mean you have the legal right to do it. Your car can go, theoretically, up to 100 mph; but it is still illegal to drive above the speed limit. I shake my head at some people's arguments about copyright. It is there to protect the artist's work, for a period of time, yet a certain subset seem to think it shouldn't matter, because it interferes with their desires. Corporate-driven copyright extensions are a different argument. The commercial printer would be liable for the civil and possibly criminal penalties of violating the copyright, which is why they won't do it. My company's legal department seems to believe that having customers acknowledge that they are either the copyright holder or have permission, when tendering orders, is sufficient protection, putting the burden on the customer. We print all kinds of violations, since that was enacted. I'm waiting to see it challenged in court and not stand up to judicial scrutiny. Time will tell. There's also the legal term "fair use".... I'm not going to make any money, or take any money away from a company by printing ONE image, and using it for my hobby. I do understand that it is YOU who would be legally accountable for allowing it, but it's wrong. Not your fault, but the courts will ALWAYS be on the side of the corporation in 2024. There are very specific things that are covered by fair use-scholarship, criticism, or review. Not personal use to create your own copy. And fair use specifies how much can be reproduced as well. Purchasing something and wanting to reproduce it for personal use is not covered by fair use, even if you are not making money from it or selling it. Creating another copy of something that is a commercial product means you are taking money away from the creator. You purchased one copy, not the rights to the material, if you want additional copies, you need to purchase them or obtain the rights to reproduce it. That's the whole point of copyright. Making one for your own use is not using it in a classroom, is not reproducing for the sake of criticism or review, it's creating a new product, whether sold or not, and that is not fair use. If I write and publish a book and you buy a print copy, that does not entitle you to a PDF copy, and if you make a PDF copy instead of buying one, that's not fair use, that's taking a sale away from the writer and the publisher. If I take a photograph, I license the use of the image for a particular use, not to be reproduced however you want. If you buy a commissioned piece of art from an artist at a convention and then publish your own comic and include it as a pin up or cover for that comic, that is not fair use, you bought the art, you did not buy publication rights to it, even though you paid for it and own the piece of art, you don't control the use of it. If you wanted to publish it, you needed to negotiate publication rights to the artist, even if you are publishing a single volume for your own personal use and not for sale. None of that is covered by the doctrine of fair use, and no amount of rationalization of complaining is going to change that, unless you have the resources to challenge the law or introduce legislation to change it. Until then, using someone else's art for personal reasons, whatever the reasons, is copyright violation until the thing in question enters the public domain. -M
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Post by wildfire2099 on May 1, 2024 19:18:48 GMT -5
I've always loved seeing people bind stuff... is it as expensive as I suspect it is? I could definitely get behind getting extra copies and doing some 2099 HCs.
I remember a thread maybe on CBR with stiff people had done some of them were really amazing with like a trade dress and vol. numbers, the whole works.
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Post by codystarbuck on May 1, 2024 21:52:22 GMT -5
Speaking as a manager of a print shop, that is because it is illegal to reproduce copyrighted material without the permission of the copyright holder. I deal with this all the time. Just because the technology exists to do it easily and cheaply doesn't mean you have the legal right to do it. Your car can go, theoretically, up to 100 mph; but it is still illegal to drive above the speed limit. I shake my head at some people's arguments about copyright. It is there to protect the artist's work, for a period of time, yet a certain subset seem to think it shouldn't matter, because it interferes with their desires. Corporate-driven copyright extensions are a different argument. The commercial printer would be liable for the civil and possibly criminal penalties of violating the copyright, which is why they won't do it. My company's legal department seems to believe that having customers acknowledge that they are either the copyright holder or have permission, when tendering orders, is sufficient protection, putting the burden on the customer. We print all kinds of violations, since that was enacted. I'm waiting to see it challenged in court and not stand up to judicial scrutiny. Time will tell. There's also the legal term "fair use".... I'm not going to make any money, or take any money away from a company by printing ONE image, and using it for my hobby. I do understand that it is YOU who would be legally accountable for allowing it, but it's wrong. Not your fault, but the courts will ALWAYS be on the side of the corporation in 2024. Regardless of your use, the printer is a commercial entity, printing for money. By printing the item, it is a commercial transaction and therefor prohibited without the rightsholder's permission. Like I say, my company puts the burden on the customer by making them affirm a statement that they hold the copyright or had copyright permission, so that any legal issue goes back to the customer, for issuing false statements. As I said, I have my doubts that it would stand up in court, if a rightsholder, such as Disney, that has the resources to press it in the courts. There is an allowable alternative to violating copyright and that is using an actual cover or page and laminating it onto the cover, or something similar. That is just repurposing something already owned. There is a form of commercial binding, known as a 'turtleback,: which is a hardcover binding, with a paperback cover laminated to it. It is often used for libraries, to provide sturdier copies. We could order these, in some cases, for customers, at Barnes & Noble. I used to have a copy of one that was done for the Marvel Masterworks Steranko book. It was issued as a trade paperback, but, there were some turtlebacks produced, or else rebound, by libraries, as mine was an ex-library copy. Marvel's trades were notoriously poorly bound, in the 00s.
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Post by aaronstack on May 2, 2024 5:42:40 GMT -5
Definite 'yea' from me; I've had several series or runs bound, including - yes - Logan's Run... Since, like me, you're not interested in the resale value of your books, this is a really great way to go, because it's so much better and easier to have them on a shelf rather than bagged and stuffed in boxes that you rarely feel like pulling out. Haha! They look amazing. Thanks for sharing the pictures.
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Post by aaronstack on May 2, 2024 5:50:15 GMT -5
I have done 47 bound volumes. Mainly stuff from the 90s of runs of comics that'll never see the light of day getting any printing treatment or stuff that's out of print. Mainly its to put them front and center on my bookshelves for runs I love to re-read. Also, not a cheap hobby to do. It's an expensive thing to do. Depends on how creative you want to be with your binds. I get my done with art and make them one of a kind. But I'm all for it That Silverblade volume is beautiful. Re: price - from what I've seen it doesn't seem unreasonable, although as with everything else it's got much more expensive over the last three-four years. I wouldn't be going for the fancy covers, much more along the line of EdoBosnar's. I'm looking to see if there's a local bookbinder who'll do this for me, as postage seems to be a major cost which theoretically could be saved. Do people use local firms? I'm in Australia, so those US-based places I've read about are not an option.
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