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Post by wildfire2099 on Sept 19, 2024 21:11:40 GMT -5
Just one more thing... this seems a good time to post my favorite splash ever (which I post whenever I can)  |
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Post by rich on Sept 20, 2024 3:09:59 GMT -5
Just one more thing... this seems a good time to post my favorite splash ever (which I post whenever I can) I loved that too! I bought and read the book about Perez's career, and time and again he'd take on cool projects but bail half way through. He self sabotaged many potential great runs over the years. When he worked with Busiek on Avengers it really clicked, and I'm glad he put together a fantastic run there. (Especially as editorial had written the title for about 6 years, and run it into the ground even before Heroes Reborn!) |
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Post by rich on Sept 20, 2024 3:14:25 GMT -5
br]Thunderbolts was a great book until the changed it... I forget Busiek wrote the first couple years.. in my head its a Nicenza book. I know the popular view is Thunderbolts is Marvel's Suicide Squad, but I always thought it tracked more with New Warriors than anything else (which is why I liked it). I felt like under Busiek and early Niceza it was its own thing- not really comparable with anything else I personally read. Great stuff, and I enjoyed seeing a character like Songbird evolve and develop and go on to join the Avengers. Later Niceza writing on the title wore me down, though, and then Quesada/editorial mandated a complete reboot that left it as the Thunderbolts in name only. |
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Post by commond on Sept 20, 2024 3:52:01 GMT -5
I had stopped reading Marvel comics by this point, but the JRJR Thor run interested me from afar. I was a fan of his art at the time even when it became blocky.
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Post by jtrw2024 on Sept 20, 2024 4:07:40 GMT -5
Just one more thing... this seems a good time to post my favorite splash ever (which I post whenever I can) I was really hoping this scene would be used in the second Avengers movie when it came out! Then again, I was expecting Cap to say "Avengers Assemble" a lot sooner too |
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Post by rich on Sept 20, 2024 5:00:31 GMT -5
I had stopped reading Marvel comics by this point, but the JRJR Thor run interested me from afar. I was a fan of his art at the time even when it became blocky. As prolific as JRJR is, I probably own more single issues he has pencilled than anyone else. His style certainly evolved a lot over the years, to the point where it's hard to connect the dots from his early work to his trademark style. I feel his best work was done before the age of digital colouring- or maybe because digital colouring doesn't suit his art so well unless it's used carefully, as per Gregory Wright. The only pre-2000s time I didn't like his artwork was when Marvel were encouraging everyone to draw like Liefeld (🤮)and he was on X-Men. |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Sept 20, 2024 7:00:24 GMT -5
I tried them all for a bit, but only stuck with Thor and Cap for any substantial length of time. I actually started reading Cap on the regular right before Heroes Return. So while I liked the new title, the pre Heroes Return Cap is still my favorite era. Thor was great all around, and kept with it until I feel it dipped in quality. And who couldn't like a Thanos and Mangog team up? Except maybe Cei-U.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2024 17:13:47 GMT -5
Man I loved this era, lot of fun in the late 90's with these titles. I like the 90's in general to be honest, warts and all, but yeah, Heroes Return brings back good memories. Comics still looked like comics back then!
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Post by rich on Sept 25, 2024 14:58:29 GMT -5
All the Heroes Return books had well and truly petered out by 2002... what's everyone's thoughts of the following decade for these core Marvel titles? 2002-2012? I'd jumped ship and have only picked up a handful of Cap comics from this era. I recall hearing Avengers was at absolute embarrassing catastrophe at times, and saw some of the funny pages, and some really liked Jurgens later Thor issues a lot...
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Post by Ricky Jackson on Sept 25, 2024 15:30:42 GMT -5
All the Heroes Return books had well and truly petered out by 2002... what's everyone's thoughts of the following decade for these core Marvel titles? 2002-2012? I'd jumped ship and have only picked up a handful of Cap comics from this era. I recall hearing Avengers was at absolute embarrassing catastrophe at times, and saw some of the funny pages, and some really liked Jurgens later Thor issues a lot... I collected New Avengers, Captain America and Thor for a bit but by 2008 I was pretty much bored with the general direction (and of superheroes overall). I mean, Cap was still pretty good when I stopped from what I reremember, and is probably the only one truly worth seeking out |
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Post by rich on Sept 25, 2024 15:57:18 GMT -5
All the Heroes Return books had well and truly petered out by 2002... what's everyone's thoughts of the following decade for these core Marvel titles? 2002-2012? I'd jumped ship and have only picked up a handful of Cap comics from this era. I recall hearing Avengers was at absolute embarrassing catastrophe at times, and saw some of the funny pages, and some really liked Jurgens later Thor issues a lot... I collected New Avengers, Captain America and Thor for a bit but by 2008 I was pretty much bored with the general direction (and of superheroes overall). I mean, Cap was still pretty good when I stopped from what I reremember, and is probably the only one truly worth seeking out I just attempted to search on MyComicShop to see what was happening with Avengers between 2004 and 2012 and it's a nightmare to work out thanks to the trademark idiocy of the Quesada years- unlimited reboots, renaming, God only knows how many variant covers, etc. Just horrid 🤢 I see Bendis was writing the book for a while- how was that? I liked his early work a lot- Powers, Sam and Twitch, stuff like that. His Daredevil started ok, but I didn't much like other superhero comics of his I've tried. He's not Mark Millar level bad, but it's not for me from what I've tried. |
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Post by Ricky Jackson on Sept 25, 2024 16:35:28 GMT -5
New Avengers by Bendis had the novelty of the Avengers being a Marvel all-star team like it really hadn't been before, with Spider-Man and Wolverine being members, but for me, after the initial freshness wore off there wasn't much substance. Everything was drawn out forever and the payoff (Secret Invasion) was hardly a classic
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Post by rich on Sept 25, 2024 17:34:24 GMT -5
New Avengers by Bendis had the novelty of the Avengers being a Marvel all-star team like it really hadn't been before, with Spider-Man and Wolverine being members, but for me, after the initial freshness wore off there wasn't much substance. Everything was drawn out forever and the payoff (Secret Invasion) was hardly a classic Sounds like standard 'decompressed' Bendis... a pity because his early work showed so much promise. Rather off topic, but indicative of Marvel's 21st century thinking... I watched an interview with Klaus Janson yesterday, who seems a very smart and likeable guy, who seemed sad about the direction Marvel took with violence in their comics. He inked a Punisher story that ended with Punisher decapitated and chopped into pieces by a Wolverine clone. He was unhappy with it and seemingly wouldn't have taken the job if he knew that was where it was going. He's expressed that, and how he no longer gets Marvel work. *shakes head* |
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Post by commond on Sept 26, 2024 5:42:37 GMT -5
I've only scratched the surface of 2002-2012, but it strikes me a fertile and creative period for Marvel. Certainly better than the books that came out during my generation.
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Post by rich on Sept 26, 2024 7:52:05 GMT -5
I've only scratched the surface of 2002-2012, but it strikes me a fertile and creative period for Marvel. Certainly better than the books that came out during my generation. If your generation was 1992-1997 I can believe that 😅 |
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