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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2024 18:19:36 GMT -5
And this is probably more of a “there I said it”, but I would take any year of the 80’s and 90’s over what Marvel and DC became after 2001 or so. I love the 90’s, warts and all, at least they still looked like real comics. The sterile digital coloring and just weirdness of comics after that was the beginning of the end for me personally.
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Post by rich on Oct 1, 2024 1:58:15 GMT -5
And this is probably more of a “there I said it”, but I would take any year of the 80’s and 90’s over what Marvel and DC became after 2001 or so. I love the 90’s, warts and all, at least they still looked like real comics. The sterile digital coloring and just weirdness of comics after that was the beginning of the end for me personally. I had to check those weren't words I'd written that had be quoted- I feel exactly the same! (Well, except a few mid 90s years lost me). 2001 was the year I quit monthlies, and with the misery of digital coloring hiding the line art I've never looked back. I'd take flat coloring any day over what we have now. |
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Post by driver1980 on Oct 1, 2024 4:58:05 GMT -5
@supercat and rich, Colours seem so “samey” from the Big Two now. I mean, how vibrant is this:  It looks old, yes, but the colours are vibrant and very suited to comics. But then you get modern stuff where nothing seems to be standing out. I suspect the panel I shared, if it were done today, would have the same dark blue for both Cap’s outfit and Kingpin’s attire. |
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Post by rich on Oct 1, 2024 5:22:10 GMT -5
I liked comics looking like comics. Now they drown in a greyish, over rendered ocean too often. driver1980 @supercat Are you two familiar with the colourist José Villarrubia? He shares similar sentiments. |
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Post by driver1980 on Oct 1, 2024 5:48:36 GMT -5
rich , I am familiar with him, yes. A greyish, over-rendered ocean is a good description. I mean, there are some artistic choices at play, too, but I am not keen on them. Read a few Cap tales years ago (probably published between 2001 and 2004), and it seems a lot of characters were wearing black leather jackets. Most scenes, probably daytime scenes, seemed like night-time. It’s like someone was asked to draw something akin to Michael Mann’s 2006 film version of Miami Vice. The art was good in its own way, but every panel seemed akin to this:  I mean, I like the quirky and colourful attire of yesteryear, e.g. Red Skull’s boiler room suit, or Kingpin’s lavish waistcoats. I like seeing old Archie covers, and I really enjoy the Bruce Timm Universe adaptations and the like. I wouldn’t want to watch the 2006 Miami Vice all of the time, nor would I want every film to have the same lighting, colour choices, etc. So I definitely don’t want that in comics. And I’m not saying EVERY comic from the Big Two is like that, but from about 2001-2006, my main Marvel titles were Cap, Iron Man, and Wolverine (which were reprinted here monthly), and I did notice, to use your phrase, a greyish, over-rendered ocean.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2024 6:21:46 GMT -5
I liked comics looking like comics. Now they drown in a greyish over rendered ocean too often. driver1980 @supercat Are you two familiar with the colourist José Villarubia? He shares similar sentiments. I had to look up his works but then it clicked immediately, yes, very familiar! And likewise agree, that's a good description. |
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Post by Ryot on Oct 1, 2024 20:45:18 GMT -5
I liked comics looking like comics. Now they drown in a greyish, over rendered ocean too often. driver1980 @supercat Are you two familiar with the colourist José Villarrubia? He shares similar sentiments. I feel the same way. The overreliance of realism is something I desperately wish comics would drop. Things like Heroes Return and Joe Mad drawn X-Men titles are what I love from comics. Comics going from otherworldly over the top stories of this 80s-90s era, to "can this be recreated plausibly in a movie" mindset needs to change to me personally. |
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Post by driver1980 on Oct 2, 2024 4:25:12 GMT -5
I liked comics looking like comics. Now they drown in a greyish, over rendered ocean too often. driver1980 @supercat Are you two familiar with the colourist José Villarrubia? He shares similar sentiments. I feel the same way. The overreliance of realism is something I desperately wish comics would drop. Things like Heroes Return and Joe Mad drawn X-Men titles are what I love from comics. Comics going from otherworldly over the top stories of this 80s-90s era, to "can this be recreated plausibly in a movie" mindset needs to change to me personally. I agree. I may be painting with a broad brush here, but there are certain Silver Age stories that I’m not sure the “deathly serious” Big Two would do today. Of course, there are some things they do that I like - I did enjoy Scooby-Doo Team-Up - but on the whole, the “can this be recreated plausibly in a movie” mindset isn’t for me. |
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Post by rich on Oct 2, 2024 4:31:20 GMT -5
@supercat and rich , Colours seem so “samey” from the Big Two now. I mean, how vibrant is this: It looks old, yes, but the colours are vibrant and very suited to comics. But then you get modern stuff where nothing seems to be standing out. I suspect the panel I shared, if it were done today, would have the same dark blue for both Cap’s outfit and Kingpin’s attire. Now look at the same picture in the ugliness of garish, flat, lazy reprint recolouring:  |
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Post by rich on Oct 2, 2024 4:33:16 GMT -5
Blindingly ugly 😵 Especially that yellow!
Edit: The original colours worked and I like them more than what we see today, but not much effort was applied honestly- there's much more nuanced examples out there, but colourists were expected to colour an entire comic in a day in that era. Separations also added in errors sometimes too, like Cap's white trousers in the original.
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Post by driver1980 on Oct 2, 2024 4:52:38 GMT -5
Yes, that yellow is blindingly ugly!
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Post by driver1980 on Oct 2, 2024 4:53:15 GMT -5
On colours versus realism today, I love something like this:  I suppose today, that’d be coloured akin to my go-to example of 2006’s Miami Vice. |
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Post by rich on Oct 2, 2024 5:12:06 GMT -5
 Does the image display ok? Another example of re-print yellow making an already pretty poor colouring job an extra level of ugly. (Scan courtesy of José Villarrubia. Check out his FB page.) |
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Post by driver1980 on Oct 2, 2024 5:36:45 GMT -5
Sorry to be boring, but, again, it looks like Conan bought a tin of Dulux paint in order to paint the walls.
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Post by rich on Oct 2, 2024 6:20:06 GMT -5
Sorry to be boring, but, again, it looks like Conan bought a tin of Dulux paint in order to paint the walls. Appears he also painted that lady's dress, and also a tiny patch of wall in the distance too... he's not very good as a painter, it seems, our Conan. |
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