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Post by Reptisaurus! on Nov 29, 2014 18:26:33 GMT -5
Another nomination: The Brood.
Alien was super awesome so here is mai Alien fanfic, I call it X-Men comics.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 29, 2014 18:40:53 GMT -5
So whatever happened to Hope Summers? I thought she might be Jean Grey reborn or some form of the Phoenix, but I dropped buying new comics in 2009 so I missed the culmination of that character mostly. She saved the day (with the help of Scarlet Witch) at the end of AvX... turns out her Mutant power is to mimick powers of people around her. She had a short lived comic (along with the other 'lights' from the Second Coming storyline), titled Generation Hope, that lasted 17 issues.. that gaves us Idie (who is pretty prominent in Wolverine and the X-Men), Transonic (who still is around) and a couple others. She then hung with Cable in the 'Cable and X-Force' book... which culminated in Cable's team confronting the other X-Force team (which included Bishop). They get captured by Stryfe (I think), and Hope is put in a position to either kill Bishop or set him free, and she does the latter (which was WAY out of character, IMO). She then randomly was put in a coma so that the guy writing the current X-Force book didn't have to deal with her... not sure if she's actually appeared or not in the new book yet. |
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Post by Pól Rua on Nov 29, 2014 18:56:32 GMT -5
Peter David is one of those comic writers that seems to have worked in super hero comics largely working on the peripheral titles. I'd say John Ostrander and Jeff Parker are a couple more writers that seemed to have had a similar work trajectory, writing good super hero comics with more secondary characters. Secondary characters is where it's at. With the major characters, there's usually a drive at the editorial level not to "mess with the big-money Intellectual Property". Marvel/Disney and DC/Warners know how much Superman, Batman, Spider-Man and Captain America are worth to them, so there'll always be more of a sense of editorial oversight. Meanwhile, on something like X-Statix or Agents of ATLAS or Seven Soldiers or Starman, because the characters are more peripheral, there's a scope for more authorial control and experimentation. When a series hasn't traditionally been a big-seller, the company is more willing to allow experimentation, because maybe the writer will hit on something new that'll make the title sell. With a more popular character, the company has settled on a style, and is less willing to allow deviation from that formula. Also, because the characters tend to be outliers, they tend not to get caught up in the maelstrom of crossovers (except peripherally), which means you don't end up with the series going off the rails because Dane Whitman turns out to be a Skrull, or Infectious Lass turns out to be a Manhunter or something asinine like that. |
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Post by Randle-El on Nov 29, 2014 19:12:14 GMT -5
(Disclaimer: Don't want to derail this into a political thread, so if it goes there mods can feel free to enforce as they see fit).
One aspect of the X-Men that I go back and forth on is the theme of mutants as a substitute for oppressed minorities -- specifically, whether that theme is still relevant and/or interesting, or is played out. I certainly grant that oppression, prejudice, and discrimination still occur all over the world, so in that sense it is still a relevant theme. But from an in-universe standpoint, how long can writers mine that topic before it makes the Marvel Universe seem unrealistically regressive? You'd think by this time, there'd be some major non-mutant voices within the Marvel Universe speaking up on behalf of mutants, or a greater push for mutant acceptance much in the same way that you see, for example, Hollywood mobilizing on behalf of gay marriage. I think there was even a scene in Avengers vs. X-Men (the last Marvel event I read) where Cyclops basically calls Captain America out on this, asking where the Avengers were whenever bad things were going down in the mutant-world. I recall Cap's response being pretty weak, something along the lines of "I was respecting your space".
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Post by badwolf on Nov 29, 2014 19:24:17 GMT -5
One aspect of the X-Men that I go back and forth on is the theme of mutants as a substitute for oppressed minorities -- specifically, whether that theme is still relevant and/or interesting, or is played out. I certainly grant that oppression, prejudice, and discrimination still occur all over the world, so in that sense it is still a relevant theme. But from an in-universe standpoint, how long can writers mine that topic before it makes the Marvel Universe seem unrealistically regressive? You'd think by this time, there'd be some major non-mutant voices within the Marvel Universe speaking up on behalf of mutants, or a greater push for mutant acceptance much in the same way that you see, for example, Hollywood mobilizing on behalf of gay marriage. I think there was even a scene in Avengers vs. X-Men (the last Marvel event I read) where Cyclops basically calls Captain America out on this, asking where the Avengers were whenever bad things were going down in the mutant-world. I recall Cap's response being pretty weak, something along the lines of "I was respecting your space". I always thought of them as simply representing people who were different, and didn't fit in, for any reason. I don't think that will ever get old. |
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Post by shaxper on Nov 29, 2014 19:44:57 GMT -5
One aspect of the X-Men that I go back and forth on is the theme of mutants as a substitute for oppressed minorities -- specifically, whether that theme is still relevant and/or interesting, or is played out. I certainly grant that oppression, prejudice, and discrimination still occur all over the world, so in that sense it is still a relevant theme. But from an in-universe standpoint, how long can writers mine that topic before it makes the Marvel Universe seem unrealistically regressive? You'd think by this time, there'd be some major non-mutant voices within the Marvel Universe speaking up on behalf of mutants, or a greater push for mutant acceptance much in the same way that you see, for example, Hollywood mobilizing on behalf of gay marriage. I think there was even a scene in Avengers vs. X-Men (the last Marvel event I read) where Cyclops basically calls Captain America out on this, asking where the Avengers were whenever bad things were going down in the mutant-world. I recall Cap's response being pretty weak, something along the lines of "I was respecting your space". I always thought of them as simply representing people who were different, and didn't fit in, for any reason. I don't think that will ever get old. Agreed. I suspect Stan and Jack had a Jewish allegory in mind at the time, but the message probably best relates to homosexuals and transgenders right now. After all, the entire point is that they look and act just like normal folk until they're outed. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 19:58:01 GMT -5
you know you've achieved something when you've made me hate a red head. like for real she was the most unoriginal characters ever and a walking plot device. She's my favorite X-character. Is she really?? Sorry. I don't hate her, I just don't, personally, feel a need for her.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 20:17:26 GMT -5
She's my favorite X-character. Is she really?? No. My actual favorite is probably Mystique. I also like Nightcrawler, Banshee and Emma Frost a lot, though. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 20:19:07 GMT -5
No. My actual favorite is probably Mystique. I also like Nightcrawler, Banshee and Emma Frost a lot, though. You jerk!!!!  I felt bad for a second. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 20:19:59 GMT -5
The only time I disowned the X-Men was anytime Rob Liefeld got involved with his pathetic artwork.
Made me wanna grab some comics and have myself a little Liefeld bonfire while dancing in a field of corn with a tamborine.
I like current X-books, although I'm always losing track of them.
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Post by Randle-El on Nov 29, 2014 20:40:52 GMT -5
I always thought of them as simply representing people who were different, and didn't fit in, for any reason. I don't think that will ever get old. Agreed. I suspect Stan and Jack had a Jewish allegory in mind at the time, but the message probably best relates to homosexuals and transgenders right now. After all, the entire point is that they look and act just like normal folk until they're outed. I'm not saying that it isn't relative at all -- clearly such prejudice still exists in our world, and so on that level it is relevant. I'm talking about whether it can still be effective for storytelling when the Marvel Universe is stuck in a perpetual state of mutant-hating. In all the years the X-Men have been operating, there doesn't seem to be any change in the status quo -- mutants are still fighting for a world that hates and fears them, to the point that government-sanctioned weapons of genocide can exist. I question how effective of a storytelling trope it can be if the writers never explore how society can change with the times or how opinions can be reshaped. Sure, it's the nature of Big Two superhero books to maintain a certain status quo and only provide the illusion of change, but it just strikes me as odd that the Marvel U can have a black Captain America or a Pakistani Ms. Marvel and yet mutants are still hated and feared. |
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Post by Pól Rua on Nov 29, 2014 20:50:45 GMT -5
(Disclaimer: Don't want to derail this into a political thread, so if it goes there mods can feel free to enforce as they see fit). One aspect of the X-Men that I go back and forth on is the theme of mutants as a substitute for oppressed minorities -- specifically, whether that theme is still relevant and/or interesting, or is played out. I certainly grant that oppression, prejudice, and discrimination still occur all over the world, so in that sense it is still a relevant theme. But from an in-universe standpoint, how long can writers mine that topic before it makes the Marvel Universe seem unrealistically regressive? You'd think by this time, there'd be some major non-mutant voices within the Marvel Universe speaking up on behalf of mutants, or a greater push for mutant acceptance much in the same way that you see, for example, Hollywood mobilizing on behalf of gay marriage. I think there was even a scene in Avengers vs. X-Men (the last Marvel event I read) where Cyclops basically calls Captain America out on this, asking where the Avengers were whenever bad things were going down in the mutant-world. I recall Cap's response being pretty weak, something along the lines of "I was respecting your space". The problem with this, especially playing it as a reworking of "I hear you've done considerable for the orange skins and the purple skins..." is that the oppression suffered by mutants in the Marvel Universe is largely plot driven. If the X-Men need to bust up an anti-mutant lynching somewhere, then it's an easy matter for the writer to just write one in. Because Cyclops' new attitude requires anti-mutant sentiment to be more pronounced to justify his increasing militancy, it just is. The whole thing is essentially solipsistic. When it's not appearing on a comic book page, it doesn't exist, and when it DOES appear, it can take whatever form and exist to whatever degree the story necessitates. Also, like the whole "Orange skins/Purple skins" thing, it sacrifices character to make a point. In the GA/GL example, it transformed Hal Jordan into a strawman stooge who existed basically to be a mouthpiece. In X-Men vs Avengers, it made Captain America into a similiar strawman. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 29, 2014 22:01:18 GMT -5
Ugly rumor mongering spread by those who fear my true majesty....! -M Yeah, that cowering in the corner is real majestic...  |
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Post by coveredinbees on Nov 29, 2014 22:12:17 GMT -5
oh, Guido...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2014 22:24:29 GMT -5
Ugly rumor mongering spread by those who fear my true majesty....! -M Yeah, that cowering in the corner is real majestic... Being the Price of Lies means playing the role of the fearful one to toy with the needs caused by the insecurities of growing up as a bobblehead chibi mutant as Guido did...the need to feel strong is powerful in him (why else make your code name Strong Guy) and it is so easy to prey on that need by acting afraid...a confident fool is much easier to manipulate than a cautious one bwahahahahahahaha! -M |
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