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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 3, 2016 0:33:10 GMT -5
I wonder if that demand will hold, or if it will wane when said other media runs its course? That'll be interesting to see.
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Post by shaxper on Jan 3, 2016 0:43:49 GMT -5
Bronze Age may be the new Silver Age, but what is defining key books now is what appears in other media. That is what is driving demand. Bronze Age books immediately before and after first appearances of characters who appear in other media are not getting any traction of push in value. It's only first issues and first appearances of characters announced to appear in other media. The books may be undervalued for their age but the demand was dormant until the media surge reawakened it. -M I don't disagree, but with the abundance of comic book media out there now and the rather limited pool of iconic comic book characters first introduced in the Bronze Age, you and I are essentially saying the same thing. Sooner or later, ALL key characters introduced in the Bronze Age will make it to TV or the movies, so all of those key first appearances will shoot up in value. And, thus far, the trend has been quick to shoot up, but slow to fall. Booster Gold #1 is still doing just fine at the $50 mark even with no show coming out after all. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2016 1:05:25 GMT -5
Bronze Age may be the new Silver Age, but what is defining key books now is what appears in other media. That is what is driving demand. Bronze Age books immediately before and after first appearances of characters who appear in other media are not getting any traction of push in value. It's only first issues and first appearances of characters announced to appear in other media. The books may be undervalued for their age but the demand was dormant until the media surge reawakened it. -M I don't disagree, but with the abundance of comic book media out there now and the rather limited pool of iconic comic book characters first introduced in the Bronze Age, you and I are essentially saying the same thing. Sooner or later, ALL key characters introduced in the Bronze Age will make it to TV or the movies, so all of those key first appearances will shoot up in value. And, thus far, the trend has been quick to shoot up, but slow to fall. Booster Gold #1 is still doing just fine at the $50 mark even with no show coming out after all. Yes but unlike the Silver Age, where issues 2-25 or so of series that featured key first appearances in the first issue or other issues also gained value, Booster 2-whatever remain dollar bin fodder and will likely remain so for quite a considerable time. Avengers 1 and 4 are keys, but any issue 1-25 are still high demand, same with ASM, FF, or just about any Silver series. Even early Bronze has some demand for stuff beyond the keys-as New Gods for example gets some love for the entire run price wise, but those late 70s and 80s series themselves aren't seeing any growth, just the cherry-picked first appearances, so in that way I don't see the market for the Bronze Age and later books developing in a manner similar to market the Silver Age (i.e. I don't see the Bronze as the new Silver as you said), the demand isn't there for those later books in anything except the key issues. There's higher demand for Sliver keys than run of the mill Silver, but there is still demand for the filler Silver issues. There's little to no demand for filler Bronze and later books (with rare exceptions like say Walking Dead, but again that's in large part other media driven). So I see a qualitative difference in the way the market is developing for Bronze books than the way it developed (and is still developing) for Silver books. This despite the fact print runs for a lot of those Bronze and later books (filler or key) was lower than print runs in the Silver Age. -M |
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Post by shaxper on Jan 3, 2016 1:17:49 GMT -5
I don't disagree, but with the abundance of comic book media out there now and the rather limited pool of iconic comic book characters first introduced in the Bronze Age, you and I are essentially saying the same thing. Sooner or later, ALL key characters introduced in the Bronze Age will make it to TV or the movies, so all of those key first appearances will shoot up in value. And, thus far, the trend has been quick to shoot up, but slow to fall. Booster Gold #1 is still doing just fine at the $50 mark even with no show coming out after all. Yes but unlike the Silver Age, where issues 2-25 or so of series that featured key first appearances in the first issue or other issues also gained value, Booster 2-whatever remain dollar bin fodder and will likely remain so for quite a considerable time. Avengers 1 and 4 are keys, but any issue 1-25 are still high demand, same with ASM, FF, or just about any Silver series. Even early Bronze has some demand for stuff beyond the keys-as New Gods for example gets some love for the entire run price wise, but those late 70s and 80s series themselves aren't seeing any growth, just the cherry-picked first appearances, so in that way I don't see the market for the Bronze Age and later books developing in a manner similar to market the Silver Age (i.e. I don't see the Bronze as the new Silver as you said), the demand isn't there for those later books in anything except the key issues. There's higher demand for Sliver keys than run of the mill Silver, but there is still demand for the filler Silver issues. There's little to no demand for filler Bronze and later books (with rare exceptions like say Walking Dead, but again that's in large part other media driven). So I see a qualitative difference in the way the market is developing for Bronze books than the way it developed (and is still developing) for Silver books. This despite the fact print runs for a lot of those Bronze and later books (filler or key) was lower than print runs in the Silver Age. -M I agree. The fundamental difference being that, in the Silver Age, it was still the comic books that were attracting new fans/collectors and making them want to go back and buy the old stuff. Now it's an entirely different medium drawing them in, so while it made sense in the seventies to go back and get EVERY issue of Amazing Spider-Man, all you need for Constantine, Daredevil, or Supergirl is a first appearance. Add to that both the fact that there are so many MORE issues to go back and get now that completing a run is a much more prohibitive idea, and the fact that continuity and numbering have both broken down considerably over the years. Fans of the 1970s and 1980s could build a relatively easy to assemble run leading from the point of origin right up to the stories they were enjoying in the present. That just doesn't work anymore. But yes, I agree. Run fillers are white noise. There's so much of it out there compared to three decades ago when comic collecting really got big, and it has less relevance to the ways in which modern fans are enjoying comic book characters of today. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2016 1:20:04 GMT -5
Yes but unlike the Silver Age, where issues 2-25 or so of series that featured key first appearances in the first issue or other issues also gained value, Booster 2-whatever remain dollar bin fodder and will likely remain so for quite a considerable time. Avengers 1 and 4 are keys, but any issue 1-25 are still high demand, same with ASM, FF, or just about any Silver series. Even early Bronze has some demand for stuff beyond the keys-as New Gods for example gets some love for the entire run price wise, but those late 70s and 80s series themselves aren't seeing any growth, just the cherry-picked first appearances, so in that way I don't see the market for the Bronze Age and later books developing in a manner similar to market the Silver Age (i.e. I don't see the Bronze as the new Silver as you said), the demand isn't there for those later books in anything except the key issues. There's higher demand for Sliver keys than run of the mill Silver, but there is still demand for the filler Silver issues. There's little to no demand for filler Bronze and later books (with rare exceptions like say Walking Dead, but again that's in large part other media driven). So I see a qualitative difference in the way the market is developing for Bronze books than the way it developed (and is still developing) for Silver books. This despite the fact print runs for a lot of those Bronze and later books (filler or key) was lower than print runs in the Silver Age. -M I agree. The fundamental difference being that, in the Silver Age, it was still the comic books that were attracting new fans/collectors and making them want to go back and buy the old stuff. Now it's an entirely different medium drawing them in, so while it made sense in the seventies to go back and get EVERY issue of Amazing Spider-Man, all you need for Constantine, Daredevil, or Supergirl is a first appearance. Add to that both the fact that there are so many MORE issues to go back and get now that completing a run is a much more prohibitive idea, and the fact that continuity and numbering have both broken down considerably over the years. Fans of the 1970s and 1980s could build a relatively easy to assemble run leading from the point of origin right up to the stories they were enjoying in the present. That just doesn't work anymore. But yes, I agree. Run fillers are white noise. There's so much of it out there compared to three decades ago when comic collecting really got big, and it has less relevance to the ways in which modern fans are enjoying comic book characters of today. Plus trades and digital as cheaper/more convenient/less labor intensive ways to get/read that stuff if you are interested. -M |
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Post by shaxper on Jan 3, 2016 1:24:22 GMT -5
I agree. The fundamental difference being that, in the Silver Age, it was still the comic books that were attracting new fans/collectors and making them want to go back and buy the old stuff. Now it's an entirely different medium drawing them in, so while it made sense in the seventies to go back and get EVERY issue of Amazing Spider-Man, all you need for Constantine, Daredevil, or Supergirl is a first appearance. Add to that both the fact that there are so many MORE issues to go back and get now that completing a run is a much more prohibitive idea, and the fact that continuity and numbering have both broken down considerably over the years. Fans of the 1970s and 1980s could build a relatively easy to assemble run leading from the point of origin right up to the stories they were enjoying in the present. That just doesn't work anymore. But yes, I agree. Run fillers are white noise. There's so much of it out there compared to three decades ago when comic collecting really got big, and it has less relevance to the ways in which modern fans are enjoying comic book characters of today. Plus trades and digital as cheaper/more convenient/less labor intensive ways to get/read that stuff if you are interested. -M In the long run, I find them to be a trap. You get volume 1 and 2, but you don't have the cash right away when volume 3 comes out, and suddenly its out of print and selling for more money than it would have cost to get the floppies in the first place. There are people who like trades better. I accept that. I don't buy the argument that, in the long run, when buying all your vintage comics that way, it comes out cheaper. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 3, 2016 1:28:37 GMT -5
If you want it to be cheaper, and you don't care about how you have the story, you have to get a mixture of trades and single comics... very few runs out there from before the 'modern era' are even in trades 100%... never mind the OOP factor.
I find often you get volume one and two and then 3 never exists just as often as one volume is overpriced.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 3, 2016 5:42:22 GMT -5
You guys have all made excellent points about these bronze age surges. I'd like to add that maybe it's the mandate of developing as much Comic material into TV and Movies as possible post 2010 , that has made a major difference than any other time. Jon Sable was a Tv show in the 80's and it didn't register a blip in back issue prices. Maybe the Internet as a instant news source also feeds the frenzy. It's an exciting time for comic book creators that have retained ownership to realize true money for their creations. Anything is fair game to be the next major Motion picture franchise. I'm happy for people like Jim Starlin who was persona non grata ay Marvel until Thanos appeared at the end of the Avengers movie. After that , his creations Gamora and The Destroyer were hits in the GOG movie and he got new work and even got flown to the premiere of the movie. Dreadstar is being filmed as an ongoing series , too.
It's a different age.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2016 7:16:27 GMT -5
You keep your mail delivery carrier very busy!  On some days I keep her busier than others.  But still not as busy as some people I know.  |
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Post by Hoosier X on Jan 3, 2016 11:13:39 GMT -5
I just ordered this:  And this:  |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 3, 2016 15:03:38 GMT -5
I bought myself a late Christmas present today at my LCS. I never read it.  |
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Post by The Captain on Jan 3, 2016 15:22:40 GMT -5
I just ordered this: And this: I had that same Hulk issue in my hands yesterday, but I decided to put it off a little longer. The store wanted a little bit more than I was willing to pay, and they always run a sale in late January, so I am going to press my luck and see if it is still there in a few weeks. |
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Post by Hoosier X on Jan 3, 2016 15:46:27 GMT -5
I just ordered this: I had that same Hulk issue in my hands yesterday, but I decided to put it off a little longer. The store wanted a little bit more than I was willing to pay, and they always run a sale in late January, so I am going to press my luck and see if it is still there in a few weeks. I've wanted to read Hulk #160 for several decades. I've always loved Tiger Shark's costume design, and so I've long been intrigued by Tiger Shark even though I haven't really read very many comics with him. He was in the first issue of Super-Villain Team-Up that I ever picked up and he was in an issue of Ms. Marvel that I only remember because of the John Buscema cover. And I think he was in a few crowd scenes with the Masters of Evil in The Avengers? Is that right? I've always wanted to see what Trimpe did with him in a battle with the Hulk! |
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Post by The Captain on Jan 3, 2016 16:09:16 GMT -5
I had that same Hulk issue in my hands yesterday, but I decided to put it off a little longer. The store wanted a little bit more than I was willing to pay, and they always run a sale in late January, so I am going to press my luck and see if it is still there in a few weeks. I've wanted to read Hulk #160 for several decades. I've always loved Tiger Shark's costume design, and so I've long been intrigued by Tiger Shark even though I haven't really read very many comics with him. He was in the first issue of Super-Villain Team-Up that I ever picked up and he was in an issue of Ms. Marvel that I only remember because of the John Buscema cover. And I think he was in a few crowd scenes with the Masters of Evil in The Avengers? Is that right? I've always wanted to see what Trimpe did with him in a battle with the Hulk! Good memory! Primarily a Namor villain, his first eleven appearances were in "The Sub-Mariner" before he finally appeared outside that series in Hulk #160. Outside of the issues you mentioned, he only had a handful of other appearances, most notably as Wolverine's foe in the "Acts of Vengeance" event; those are only a couple of the 10 or so issues of Wolverine I own, purchased solely because of Tiger Shark's appearance. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2016 16:16:19 GMT -5
I think Tiger Shark was in a Spidey and Namor team up, too. The Man-Fish one.
I really liked it, too. But I read it forever ago.
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