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Post by Phil Maurice on Nov 30, 2014 21:16:04 GMT -5
Maybe you don't, but Maneely could. He drew stories for House of Secrets #9-10. among others.  |
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Post by benday-dot on Nov 30, 2014 21:25:13 GMT -5
What book of Marvel/Atlas or National do you think he (Joe Maneely) would have suited best ? Hawkman? Black Panther/Jungle Action ? Jonah Hex ? ...[ I don't see Maneely at National. That's just me. His delicate, fine lines were uniquely suited to a more "bull-pen" environment like Atlas or EC, where he was more interested in impressing his peers than his bosses, IMHO. I think it's quite plausible that he would have been offered Fantastic Four, The Hulk, Thor. Sacrilege, I know. But this is What If?, right? And have you seen Maneely's Sub-Mariner? It looks like this: I know a lot people speculate on the "What if Maneely had lived?" question. It's great fun, and since he was considered one of the Atlas stars some suggest he would have taken the mantle and have redefined the direction of Marvel, assuming the role Kirby would actually end up taking on. Maneely is an extraordinary talent but I don't think there is any indication he was a visionary like Kirby. It's all speculation of course, but I don't think a Maneely Fantastic Four would have graphically and conceptually redfined the superhero genre and indeed entire comics field the way that Kirby actually did. True, Maneely could draw a nifty Sub-Mariner, but even there Everett, his colleague, I think was the more gifted presenter of that character. Maneely might have drawn a stunning Thor, with it's pageantry of mythological adventure, but I doubt it would exuded the raw power and dynamism that Kirby, even with Colletta in the mix, brought to the character. This is so cruel of me coming down on a prodigious talent who passed too early, but I for one am grateful that Kirby was the one who guided Marvel through the Silver Age, and gave us such timeless pop art. Maneely was a beautiful crafstman, but I'm not sure he was a demiurge like Kirby. |
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Post by benday-dot on Nov 30, 2014 21:28:54 GMT -5
How about "What if Frank Frazetta had drawn a Tarzan or Conan series?"
What if there was still a market for diverse black and white comic magazines on the newsstands?
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Post by Phil Maurice on Nov 30, 2014 21:48:34 GMT -5
This is so cruel of me coming down on a prodigious talent who passed too early, but I for one am grateful that Kirby was the one who guided Marvel through the Silver Age, and gave us such timeless pop art. Maneely was a beautiful crafstman, but I'm not sure he was a demiurge like Kirby. Relax, dot. It's "What If?" Kirby's legacy is secure; we're just spit-ballin'. I don't think anybody here would be willing to wager Kirby's contributions to the MU against one roll of the Cosmic Dice (though that is a great Kirby concept). We're just exercising our imaginations, an endeavor which Jack would have approved of, probably. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 30, 2014 22:14:54 GMT -5
What if Vinnie Colleta drew ALL the backgrounds?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2014 23:11:27 GMT -5
What if Kirby (and other Silver Age giants) had been compensated well enough for the pages they did, that he (or they) could have taken his time to design & draw the pages he did the way he wanted them to look instead of rushing to get churn out so many pages just to make ends meet...
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Dec 1, 2014 0:05:55 GMT -5
As much as I hate to admit it's influence; what if Frank Miller had never wrote DKR? Would Batman be what he is now? Would be all have been spared Bale as Batman? Might there still be room for a balance of dark and light hearted stories? Would it have made a difference ? Adams had already given the world the Dark Knight, I think it was only a matter of time till someone wrote the definitive grim and gritty version. As much as I enjoy DKR I do wish the character had balance. Probably not much. As most superhero comics are pretty much just all that. I just don't like the catalyst. It's like knowing a corpse is the kindling for a great bonfire. Once you get past that I guess you can enjoy the fire. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 1, 2014 0:17:54 GMT -5
What if Kirby (and other Silver Age giants) had been compensated well enough for the pages they did, that he (or they) could have taken his time to design & draw the pages he did the way he wanted them to look instead of rushing to get churn out so many pages just to make ends meet... -M I'm afraid that it would have resulted in the prima dona nonsense that you see today where artists take 4 months to do 4 pages. |
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Post by JKCarrier on Dec 1, 2014 1:38:20 GMT -5
What if Kirby, instead of going back to DC in the 1970s, had instead pitched his Fourth World books to one of the underground comix publishers of the era? New Gods, Mr. Miracle, et. al. being distributed in head shops alongside other idiosyncratic visionaries like Crumb and Shelton? Makes sense to me...
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Dec 1, 2014 4:59:39 GMT -5
What if Kirby (and other Silver Age giants) had been compensated well enough for the pages they did, that he (or they) could have taken his time to design & draw the pages he did the way he wanted them to look instead of rushing to get churn out so many pages just to make ends meet... -M O hell yes. What could he have done with a month to do one book, designed for modern colouring methods ? My next What If... was going to be, What If the classic creators all kept ownership of their creations.... Imagine if Kirby took Cap and FF to National with him, while Siegel and Schuster do vice versa. |
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Dec 1, 2014 5:03:26 GMT -5
What if Kirby, instead of going back to DC in the 1970s, had instead pitched his Fourth World books to one of the underground comix publishers of the era? New Gods, Mr. Miracle, et. al. being distributed in head shops alongside other idiosyncratic visionaries like Crumb and Shelton? Makes sense to me... or he could have stayed at Marvel and published them there. Would we have then seen Jim Starlin get his break over the road and bring Thanos to haunt the JLA. |
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Post by zilch on Dec 1, 2014 20:27:52 GMT -5
When in the 1950's Publisher Goodman, decided that he would sell National Comics his dormant super-hero line, he stipulated that his head writer/editor also be given a job at the company, Stanley Lieber headed over and sat down to work as a new editor.
Who would he hire from his old company? What existing books would he be given to edit? What new books might he create?
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Dec 1, 2014 21:07:33 GMT -5
What if Vinnie Colleta drew ALL the backgrounds? There would be less of them. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2014 21:23:13 GMT -5
What if Vinnie Colleta drew ALL the backgrounds? There would be less of them. The world's first blank interior variant? -M |
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Post by benday-dot on Dec 1, 2014 21:39:30 GMT -5
This is so cruel of me coming down on a prodigious talent who passed too early, but I for one am grateful that Kirby was the one who guided Marvel through the Silver Age, and gave us such timeless pop art. Maneely was a beautiful crafstman, but I'm not sure he was a demiurge like Kirby. Relax, dot. It's "What If?" Kirby's legacy is secure; we're just spit-ballin'. I don't think anybody here would be willing to wager Kirby's contributions to the MU against one roll of the Cosmic Dice (though that is a great Kirby concept). We're just exercising our imaginations, an endeavor which Jack would have approved of, probably. Ha, yes I'm sure. I've just heard the Maneely speculation quite a bit over the years, and that's only natural since he died fairly young, so I thought I'd go all humbug and do a curmedgeonly reality check. But who the hell knows what might have been. Harrumph! |
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