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Post by dupersuper on Feb 3, 2015 1:20:28 GMT -5
I had many issues with Man of Steel. Amy Adams was not 1 of them.
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Post by The Captain on Feb 3, 2015 14:58:30 GMT -5
I just wish Lois was hotter. And acted more like Lois. Amy Adams is a fine actress, but she's 40. I thought Olivia Wilde would have been a better choice. She's 10 years younger and actually looks the part naturally. As I'm 41 years old, I still find Amy Adams to be quite "hot" in spite of her advanced age.
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Post by badwolf on Feb 3, 2015 15:12:25 GMT -5
I actually thought Amy Adams (and Kate Bosworth before her) looked a bit too young for the part. I know Margot Kidder was about the same age in the old series but she looked and seemed older.
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Post by Pharozonk on Feb 3, 2015 15:29:40 GMT -5
I thought Amy Adams was a good choice. I just wished they had dyed her hair darker.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Feb 3, 2015 15:33:57 GMT -5
I just wish Lois was hotter. And acted more like Lois. Amy Adams is a fine actress, but she's 40. I thought Olivia Wilde would have been a better choice. She's 10 years younger and actually looks the part naturally. As I'm 41 years old, I still find Amy Adams to be quite "hot" in spite of her advanced age. I'm not saying being 40 means you're old and ugly. But for sequel purposes I think it would have been cool to get someone younger. Just like you wouldn't get a 40 year old to kick off your new Superman franchise.
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Post by The Captain on Feb 3, 2015 16:03:31 GMT -5
As I'm 41 years old, I still find Amy Adams to be quite "hot" in spite of her advanced age. I'm not saying being 40 means you're old and ugly. But for sequel purposes I think it would have been cool to get someone younger. Just like you wouldn't get a 40 year old to kick off your new Superman franchise. I get what you're saying, but you have to consider that these actors only have a 2-3 film life in a role to begin with (the Harry Potter films notwithstanding). If you film the first film in 2015, release it in 2016, then film the next one in 2017 and so on, that is 6-8 years of an actor's life in one role, and most are not going to want to do the same thing forever. In the instance of Marvel films, they don't go on a two-year cycle, so you are looking at 3 years per film, and that is almost a decade as one character, at which point they will have outgrown the role and moved on to other things. So you either reboot entirely or do what will happen with the Marvel movies, where they simply farm certain characters out. RDJ is not going to be playing Tony Stark five years from now more than likely, because Marvel is not going to be including TS in their movies; they'll go with War Machine or some other person in the suit, but RDJ isn't going to be that guy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2015 16:18:56 GMT -5
People have been discussing this very issue of ageism in the Carrie Moss casting for he Alias TV series...she's too old to play blah blah blah when others speculate what her undisclosed role is in the series. She can't be x because she's too old. To which the response is-bullsh*t. With makeup, CGI, sfx, stunt doubles, etc., etc. there is no legitimate excuse why an older actor or actress cannot play any adult character. Mark Ruffalo is pushing 50 (he's 47 now and will be over 50 by the time his contract with Marvel is up) and he is still cast as Banner and the Hulk and signed to a multi-picture deal because of his ability, not because of his age. If DC had gotten an older actor with acting chops to play Superman, maybe Man of Steel would have been better received as the actors ability could have overcome flaws in the script or direction. Who knows. But Amy Adams being 40 had nothing to do with the poor reception of the film.
The cult of youth and appearance pushes looks and appearance over ability and substance then wonders why the products they get are pretty but crap, eye candy with no substance, quality or enduring presence.
-M
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Post by Phil Maurice on Feb 3, 2015 17:31:43 GMT -5
So you either reboot entirely or do what will happen with the Marvel movies, where they simply farm certain characters out. RDJ is not going to be playing Tony Stark five years from now more than likely, because Marvel is not going to be including TS in their movies; they'll go with War Machine or some other person in the suit, but RDJ isn't going to be that guy. There's another option. There are very few roles so uniquely identified with a single actor that they must be retired rather than recast (Lt. Columbo comes to mind). How many Bonds, Poirots, Holmes' and Charlie Chans have we had? Even Hannibal Lecter has been successfully recast with the delicious Mads Mikkelsen assuming the role from Anthony Hopkins (a role I would have bet money belonged to Hopkins alone*). With a good story, a quality production and strong actors, audiences can be very forgiving of a new face in a familiar role. (*And yes, I remember that Hopkins followed the great Brian Cox as Lecter.)
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Post by thwhtguardian on Feb 3, 2015 19:44:37 GMT -5
As I'm 41 years old, I still find Amy Adams to be quite "hot" in spite of her advanced age. I'm not saying being 40 means you're old and ugly. But for sequel purposes I think it would have been cool to get someone younger. Just like you wouldn't get a 40 year old to kick off your new Superman franchise. I tend to like my Superman to look mature so a 40 year old playing Superman wouldn't have phased me at all, and until you said it I wouldn't have though Amy Adams was even close to 40; she has a very youthful appearance so the number of her age doesn't seem to matter.
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Post by badwolf on Feb 3, 2015 19:46:30 GMT -5
Man of Steel took place at the beginning of his career though (IIRC) so a young Superman is reasonable. I liked the film and thought Cavill was very good (and really, didn't seem that young, esp. compared to Routh.)
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Post by thwhtguardian on Feb 3, 2015 19:58:09 GMT -5
Man of Steel took place at the beginning of his career though (IIRC) so a young Superman is reasonable. I liked the film and thought Cavill was very good (and really, didn't seem that young, esp. compared to Routh.) It is reasonable and I liked Cavill, I'm just saying that if they had cast someone like say Til Schweiger, Jeffery Dean Morgan or Rufus Sewell I would have been cool with it.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Feb 4, 2015 1:56:01 GMT -5
I'm not saying being 40 means you're old and ugly. But for sequel purposes I think it would have been cool to get someone younger. Just like you wouldn't get a 40 year old to kick off your new Superman franchise. I get what you're saying, but you have to consider that these actors only have a 2-3 film life in a role to begin with (the Harry Potter films notwithstanding). If you film the first film in 2015, release it in 2016, then film the next one in 2017 and so on, that is 6-8 years of an actor's life in one role, and most are not going to want to do the same thing forever. In the instance of Marvel films, they don't go on a two-year cycle, so you are looking at 3 years per film, and that is almost a decade as one character, at which point they will have outgrown the role and moved on to other things. So you either reboot entirely or do what will happen with the Marvel movies, where they simply farm certain characters out. RDJ is not going to be playing Tony Stark five years from now more than likely, because Marvel is not going to be including TS in their movies; they'll go with War Machine or some other person in the suit, but RDJ isn't going to be that guy. Maybe. I think avoiding the issue in the first place is what I'm getting at. Just don't put yourself in that position. I don't see what the problem is in getting someone of a certain age to play a person of a certain age. Granted in the case of Lois, it's never specified in the comics what age she is or isn't, but I've always guessed mid twenties to early thirties at most. Just the way I would do it, if I'm kicking off a franchise, let's see a new Superman franchise, if I have two actresses where both of them can nail the role except one is 30 and the other one is 40...why wouldn't I go with the one that is 30? Assuming she is just as good and has chemistry with the cast.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Feb 4, 2015 1:57:43 GMT -5
The cult of youth and appearance pushes looks and appearance over ability and substance then wonders why the products they get are pretty but crap, eye candy with no substance, quality or enduring presence. -M It doesn't have to be mutually exclusive. You can find someone for the age of the role you're looking for that isn't eye candy. There are youthful people that can act too believe it or not.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2015 4:41:47 GMT -5
The cult of youth and appearance pushes looks and appearance over ability and substance then wonders why the products they get are pretty but crap, eye candy with no substance, quality or enduring presence. -M It doesn't have to be mutually exclusive. You can find someone for the age of the role you're looking for that isn't eye candy. There are youthful people that can act too believe it or not. Yes there certainly are youthful people who have talent and ability. That is not the issue here. If your criteria for evaluating performers or people in general is their age or how they look, and dismiss people who don't fit your criteria on those issues, then acting ability (or ability in any field) isn't figuring into it. If you are evaluating on acting ability (or competence in other fields if we move beyond acting), then whether they look good and how old they are are non-issues and not relevant to the conversation. If your first question is Are they hot? or How old are they? or if those are what you evaluate performers on, then you give the impression their ability to act and deliver a quality performance does not matter to you. If they can act well and deliver a quality performance then age and hotness are irrelevant, and dismissing Amy Adams performance as Lois Lane because she should have been hotter or younger is a prime example of that. So yes, young people can act, I never said they couldn't, but the cult of youth and appearance doesn't ask can they act, they ask are they hot and how old are they...and if that is all that matters to them, then they shouldn't be surprised when they don't get quality out. Output comes from input, if you don't consider the quality of what you put into a project, you shouldn't be surprised you don't get quality out of it. I've seen the quote attributed to both Oscar Wilde and George Bernard Shaw, but there is a certain truth to the idea that youth is wasted on the young, and if I only knew then what I know now. When I was in my twenties I would have told you the ideas in those quotes were full of sh*t, but I've come to realize I was full of sh*t when I was in my twenties too, and it got worse before it got better. Of course, ten years from now I will likely look back and realize I am still full of sh*t now. -M
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Post by crazyoldhermit on Feb 4, 2015 4:55:13 GMT -5
Even Hannibal Lecter has been successfully recast with the delicious Mads Mikkelsen assuming the role from Anthony Hopkins (a role I would have bet money belonged to Hopkins alone*). With a good story, a quality production and strong actors, audiences can be very forgiving of a new face in a familiar role. (*And yes, I remember that Hopkins followed the great Brian Cox as Lecter.) The Lecter thing has a few significant advantages over what Marvel is doing. 1) There was over a decade between Hopkins' last performance and Mikkelsen's first performance, giving Hopkins' interpretation time to fade in the public consciousness. 2) Hopkins was way too old to play the role anyway (especially for a prequel), recasting wasn't just an issue of "I'm done with the character" 3) It's television rather than film, which further separates the two incarnations 4) The two incarnations are dramatically different approaches. The Hopkins films were more realistic R-rated cop movies aimed at adults, particularly "Silence" (described by Gene Siskel as "a brutally depressing thriller") while the TV show is very highly stylized and romanticized (and an endless source of cutesy memery on Tumblr). So far there have been no creatures like Buffalo Bill and no scenes of kidnapped girls screaming for their mothers at the bottom of wells, and where the show does veer towards this subject matter it's not played for the same level of brutality. Two very different shows which have two different audiences, and neither version of Hannibal Lecter would work in the other. A generational gap aided by a long hiatus and the two productions really having nothing in common other than the subject matter. The best possible circumstances for recasting a role.
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