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Post by Snikts and Stones on Sept 26, 2016 9:36:13 GMT -5
I hated how he pushed through the whole "Jean was never the Phoenix" thing, seeing as it was he who insisted she die to pay for her sins of galactic mass murder. It didn't absolve Jean as much as it crapped on a beautiful story and was the vehicle for Scott becoming an absolute cad. Anyone involved in that mess shares a part of the blame, but in Shooter's defense it wasn't his idea. He just okayed a concept that allowed Jean to "come back" without giving her a pardon for killing three billion Asparagus people. But I'm with you... as EiC, as the man holding the line where the buck stops, he should have said "no". It was such a lousy idea. Agreed. Wasn't Bob Layton the actual brain child behind it? Regardless, I would've liked Dazzler in there, or why not Maddy in an "Oracle" type role? I constantly harp on this because I came to really like Maddy, and hated what Scott did to her and how the whole thing led to her death by redundancy.
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Post by Snikts and Stones on Sept 25, 2016 14:19:45 GMT -5
I hated how he pushed through the whole "Jean was never the Phoenix" thing, seeing as it was he who insisted she die to pay for her sins of galactic mass murder. It didn't absolve Jean as much as it crapped on a beautiful story and was the vehicle for Scott becoming an absolute cad.
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Post by Snikts and Stones on Sept 25, 2016 14:07:38 GMT -5
Sometimes when someone says " I couldn't work with him" means he didn't let me do whatever I wanted to do with the characters. In his blog, he tells a story about a writer that wanted to do a story about Peter Parker discovering that he fathered am illegitimate son. He told the guy no, that Spider-man was on kids underwear and stuff and that he had to protect the image of those properties. The writer went to the press and bashed Shooter. I'm sure he had to deal with a lot of that. I don't remember the reason Byrnes left for DC, but it was Shooters fault I'm sure.
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Post by Snikts and Stones on Sept 25, 2016 13:37:10 GMT -5
I know this is trite, but it's the X-Men for me. The Claremont/Silvestri post Mutant Massacre team is a favorite.
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Post by Snikts and Stones on Sept 25, 2016 13:19:03 GMT -5
Like a lot of the industry greats, ego is immense and his memory may be more than a tad selective... Like others have said you have to take the good with the bad. Bottom line is I loved the comics that came out under his watch, I enjoyed the first part of Defalcos tenure, then it went pear shaped. Aside from the MAX line I didn't care for marvel under Quesada.
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Post by Snikts and Stones on Sept 25, 2016 13:06:40 GMT -5
With Shooter, you have to take the good with the bad. You might like his writing and editorial decisions His handling of people, however, was atrocious. Simply look up all the people who denounced him in interviews or quit companies because they couldn't work with him. Then try to find people who praise working with him for an extended time I think, as a member of management where you are affecting peoples lives as well as their families, it's your people skills that are more important to your legacy than writing Avenger stories I try to articulate my thoughts on him and it comes out a drunken mess, this is about perfect.
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Post by Snikts and Stones on Sept 25, 2016 12:54:24 GMT -5
He was the face of Marvel during that time but I think the suits upstairs, that never even opened a comic book, Were the true bad guy's. Except Shooter was the one presenting himself as a champion of creator rights and being the guy who would stand up for creators, except when it actually came time to stand up for creators. He may not have been "the bad guy, he certainly wasn't on the side he claimed to be, and the character he showed during that time was of self-interest and hypocrisy rather than the image he tried to portray as a heroic champion of creators. -M Not acting as a Shooter apologist here, but man it's gotta be hard being creator AND working on the "company" side as well. Seems like an impossible situation really.
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Post by Snikts and Stones on Sept 23, 2016 1:03:33 GMT -5
The spinner rack at a market I only knew as "Sam's"... I'd get a piece of Bologna fresh off the slicer and then off I went (sign of the times mid-late 70's). I was maybe 4 or 5 and I'm sure I couldn't read a damn thing, but so help me I couldn't get enough of Captain Marvel (DC) or as I knew him SHAZAM!... He was the everyman's Superman, he flew, beat up bad guys, great eyebrows, and had the best cape ever. Gods I can still smell the place...
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Post by Snikts and Stones on Sept 22, 2016 19:17:18 GMT -5
I never read any of the original stories, but was she always getting caught, the boys having to save her? As good natured as it may have been (sign of the times) editorial was I'm sure very chauvinistic in those days... She didn't get caught as often as the Invisible Girl, but she was always chasing boys, especially Thor, and she was far more worried about her next hairdo or manicure than about fighting bad guys. Plus, she rarely contributed in battle. Just a token female. When she became Avenger leader (during the roger Stern run?) I thought she did a very good job. You've come a long way, baby. Indeed... I know the constant costume changes were more of ( I thought) a reflection of her fashion expertise, by the time I was introduced to her she was very formidable.
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Post by Snikts and Stones on Sept 22, 2016 13:33:45 GMT -5
Yes, Wasp was terribly misused throughout the whole Silver Age, and then some. She did develop into one of my favorite Avengers later on, though, probably starting in the late 70's. I never read any of the original stories, but was she always getting caught, the boys having to save her? As good natured as it may have been (sign of the times) editorial was I'm sure very chauvinistic in those days...
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Post by Snikts and Stones on Sept 17, 2016 18:14:19 GMT -5
Probably X-Factor #6, I think I paid 8 bucks for it 20 years ago...
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Post by Snikts and Stones on Sept 15, 2016 10:03:32 GMT -5
Like my intro post said, I got into comics as a "full time" hobby in mid-late '92, with the X-titles and the GR relaunch being my main go to. The line wide reshuffle and Image exodus had happened, out with the old in with the kewl. My first "big event" was the X-cutioners Song, and not knowing any better I ate it up. For better or worse, I got to read the entire line, begin to pick my favorite characters, and found out I loved Peter David. I also became interested in the New Mutants and what happened to the title, as well as the hows and whys the whole reshuffle happened, what happened to Claremont? Byrne?... I had just fallen in love with universe and activated an archival gland I didn't know I had!
Wizard magazine was a constant in those days as well, as it was still a comics mag, and not a "pop culture" Bendis and Millar rump swabbing rag yet. I love this thread!
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Post by Snikts and Stones on Sept 14, 2016 0:03:43 GMT -5
Of all the Movies, Television Cartoons, and so forth - I really don't have a clear cut winner and/or favorites of Doctor Doom at all. To me, they are all pretty much average and I was mildly accept the one that appeared in the 1st Fantastic Four - but he wasn't my cup of tea either. Any others, they weren't that good at all. Sorry Members, I rattled my brains in the past 3 days and haven't came a sure-fire winner of who is the best Doctor Doom in all the Fantastic Four Movies and in animated land of cartoons. I will move on to #21Who do you think would be the perfect voice of Doom?
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Post by Snikts and Stones on Sept 2, 2016 9:09:11 GMT -5
In general, PPSSM was focused on Peter's campus life, and ASM on his photographer career. Thanks, I know this was a pretty pedestrian question I could've wiki' but I like asking experts!
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Post by Snikts and Stones on Sept 1, 2016 23:22:52 GMT -5
There was an iteration that got whacked by scourge in one of the Spider-Man books I believe... Different character altogether. Scourge killed The Fly, a thug named Rick Deacon given insect powers in Amazing Spider-Man Annual #10 by the brother of the scientist who created The Scorpion. The Human Fly (neither his face nor his true identity were ever revealed in the comic) was Rick Rojatt, a real life Canadian daredevil whose career was devoted to inspiring people with disabilities. Cei-U! I summon the Raid! I'm a f****** idiot...
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