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Post by The Captain on Jan 11, 2015 16:57:00 GMT -5
How about... 
Gypsy Moth, whose ability was to be able to manipulate materials with her mind, but because she didn't like to handle anything tough or hard, she only did it to things like textiles; she would unravel clothes or cause them to tighten and bind her enemies. She showed up in Spider-Woman's original solo series a couple of times, then made a handful of other appearances over the next three decades until someone at Marvel decided to sex her up and turn her into... .jpg)
Skein, with the same lame abilities, but now with bigger boobs and less clothing. She appeared in Thunderbolts for a while before it turned into the Fight Club issues, but I don't believe she has been seen since.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 11, 2015 17:48:35 GMT -5
I'd go for Rage of (incredibly) Avengers and New Warriors 'fame'. What was the point of him? Boring origin - gets hit on the head by radioactive gunk. Boring powers - super strong and...well, that's about it! How long did that take to think up? Terrible costume. Just a bad wrestler. Completely derivative and totally, utterly pointless.  Rage gets developed decently in New Warriors... they focus on the fact that he's a kid in a man's body, doing adult things.. I think Night Thrasher actually adopts him. He changed quite a bit over time. As he appeared in his origin with the Avengers, though, yeah.. that was pretty boring. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 11, 2015 17:50:21 GMT -5
How about...
Gypsy Moth, whose ability was to be able to manipulate materials with her mind, but because she didn't like to handle anything tough or hard, she only did it to things like textiles; she would unravel clothes or cause them to tighten and bind her enemies. She showed up in Spider-Woman's original solo series a couple of times, then made a handful of other appearances over the next three decades until someone at Marvel decided to sex her up and turn her into...
Skein, with the same lame abilities, but now with bigger boobs and less clothing. She appeared in Thunderbolts for a while before it turned into the Fight Club issues, but I don't believe she has been seen since.
Post #600, a milestone I wasted on this atrocity. That's a good candidate for sure! Wasn't there a Gypsy Moth character in the Michael Chabon novel? I thought he made it up, but perhaps not! |
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Post by Crimebuster on Jan 11, 2015 18:21:29 GMT -5
Rage wasn't a terrible idea, so much as every Avengers story he appeared in was bad. His early appearances also only really works as a meta commentary about the need for comics to be more diverse; within the context of the actual Marvel Universe, his beef that the Avengers don't have enough minorities on the team did not make any sense, which undermined the whole point.
Actually, Triathlon had a similar beef if I remember correctly, which may tie into why some people dislike him. It's an argument that I agree with in the real world, as there should be more black superheroes, but what are the Avengers supposed to do about it exactly - have a crossover with Earth Prime Cary Bates and force him to create more black heroes for them to induct?
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 11, 2015 19:28:49 GMT -5
Rage wasn't a terrible idea, so much as every Avengers story he appeared in was bad. His early appearances also only really works as a meta commentary about the need for comics to be more diverse; within the context of the actual Marvel Universe, his beef that the Avengers don't have enough minorities on the team did not make any sense, which undermined the whole point. Actually, Triathlon had a similar beef if I remember correctly, which may tie into why some people dislike him. It's an argument that I agree with in the real world, as there should be more black superheroes, but what are the Avengers supposed to do about it exactly - have a crossover with Earth Prime Cary Bates and force him to create more black heroes for them to induct? I could never think of the Avengers as a group that discriminated based on their acceptance of Mutants, Androids and the ultimate equal rights proponent- Captain America. |
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Post by Hoosier X on Jan 11, 2015 23:09:08 GMT -5
... what are the Avengers supposed to do about it exactly - have a crossover with Earth Prime Cary Bates and force him to create more black heroes for them to induct? Worst issue of Avengers ever!
(It's a joke. I know it's not true because there have been real issues of Avengers that are worse than that idea. After all, John Byrne wrote a few.)
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Post by Prince Hal on Jan 11, 2015 23:10:21 GMT -5
How about...
Gypsy Moth, whose ability was to be able to manipulate materials with her mind, but because she didn't like to handle anything tough or hard, she only did it to things like textiles; she would unravel clothes or cause them to tighten and bind her enemies. She showed up in Spider-Woman's original solo series a couple of times, then made a handful of other appearances over the next three decades until someone at Marvel decided to sex her up and turn her into...
Skein, with the same lame abilities, but now with bigger boobs and less clothing. She appeared in Thunderbolts for a while before it turned into the Fight Club issues, but I don't believe she has been seen since.
Post #600, a milestone I wasted on this atrocity. That's a good candidate for sure! Wasn't there a Gypsy Moth character in the Michael Chabon novel? I thought he made it up, but perhaps not! Luna Moth was the Chabon character. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 11, 2015 23:14:14 GMT -5
Ahh... yeah, that was it. It's been a while.
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Post by badwolf on Jan 12, 2015 10:58:28 GMT -5
I must be the only comics fan out there who actually liked Triathlon (or at least I appreciated the narrative function he was intended to fill). I can think of lots of characters worse than poor Delroy. I wasn't crazy about him but the Triune storyline had a fantastic wrap-up in the end. |
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Post by badwolf on Jan 12, 2015 11:01:48 GMT -5
I liked Gypsy Moth, but that new version, yecch.
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Post by Paradox on Jan 13, 2015 2:51:18 GMT -5
Did he ever team up with Man-Thing? Oh, it's much worse. See, Mandrill's a big ol' racist, and he ended up teaming up with ( **nudge nudge wink wink knowutahmean**) Nekra, who happens to be a "Negro albino". But it doesn't count because she's literally white.  EDIT: Although looking it up, I'm not sure how accurate that is. I may be attributing some things to him that belong to that era's Grim Reaper (who was teaming with them and the one "doing" Nekra). It's been a long time since I read that Vision and Scarlet Witch maxi. |
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Post by Cei-U! on Jan 13, 2015 8:35:37 GMT -5
Yup, 'dox, you've confused Mandrill and the Reaper. Mandy and Nekra were childhood friends, one a white boy born with black skin, the other a black girl born with white skin, both mutant outcasts with a fanatical hatred for "normal" humanity (see Daredevil #110).
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Jan 13, 2015 9:19:55 GMT -5
I actually find the original Gypsy Moth costume, just as, or if not more so, "sexy" than the last, if that's the complaint about the new costume. I don't think the costume is the problem. But not having know anything about the character, just those two pictures, I would say they are both try to exude sexuality.
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Post by The Captain on Jan 13, 2015 10:00:21 GMT -5
I actually find the original Gypsy Moth costume, just as, or if not more so, "sexy" than the last, if that's the complaint about the new costume. I don't think the costume is the problem. But not having know anything about the character, just those two pictures, I would say they are both try to exude sexuality. I guess that my "complaint" about the costume is that it is typical of the evolution (or devolution) of women's costumes in comic books. The first one, while being kind of Halloween costume-ish, definitely ties into her villainous alter-ego name; I look at that, I can easily identify it as some kind of flying insect. It may be "sexy" but it does so without being overt or provocative. The second one is the mess. The word "skein" is defined as "a length of thread or yarn, loosely coiled and knotted" or "a ball of yarn with a central pull string". OK, so her new name describes her ability to an extent, but her costume is less evocative of her name or ability and is more "slutty stripper wear", which seems to be the direction a lot of female costumes have gone over the years; more skin, less material, and more provocative with where the material is placed. |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Jan 13, 2015 14:00:09 GMT -5
That's my point, exactly, is that showing more skin on a woman, as an American society may denote more sexuality, but is not my personal assumption of the situation. Diana Rigg exuded more sexuality in her outfits in Avengers, than I've found most women capable of in the nude. So for comic books, rather than the woman herself, it's the artist's ability to convey that sexuality, whether the gal is clothed or not, than the actual amount of skin exposed by said costume. I think that the association with sexuality and nudity is exaggerated.
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