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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 19:30:45 GMT -5
Does anyone know if Sub-Mariner Comics #13-32 (golden age) are collected in anything? I have the Atlas Era Heroes MMW vol. 3 which has #33-42, and I know that there are three volumes of Golden Age Sub-Mariner MMWs out there that have #1-12 in them, but I cannot seem to find that decently sized gap. And some of them look pretty interesting. I know that I have a lot of Everett's golden age Namor stuff in the Golden Age Marvel omnibus and various other books, but I do not have those. Thanks in advance for any help.  These are what I'm asking about: marvel.wikia.com/Sub-Mariner_Comics_Vol_1 |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Feb 24, 2015 21:41:40 GMT -5
Nope.
(I agree, it sucks.)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2015 7:12:26 GMT -5
Nope. (I agree, it sucks.) Maybe Everett didn't do those issues?? Maybe that's why they are not collected? Thanks for replying, though. I'll just read what I can get in collection.  |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Feb 25, 2015 10:26:31 GMT -5
I've even poked around to find the originals... they're tough to find, and pretty expensive (usually upwards of $200 each).
I'm hoping at some point the Masterworks will go back to the Golden Age again, rather than continuing to do already easy to find 70s stuff, but it's been a while.
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Post by Phil Maurice on Feb 25, 2015 10:42:15 GMT -5
Maybe Everett didn't do those issues?? Everett was in the Army from February 1942 until February of 1946. During that time, Sub-Mariner was written by others under the interim editorial leadership of Vince Fago. Everett's first credit after his discharge from the Army is in Sub-Mariner Comics #21 where he found himself, as he put it, "picking up the Sub-Mariner where I'd left off four years ago." |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2015 14:30:37 GMT -5
I've even poked around to find the originals... they're tough to find, and pretty expensive (usually upwards of $200 each). I'm hoping at some point the Masterworks will go back to the Golden Age again, rather than continuing to do already easy to find 70s stuff, but it's been a while. Yes because I'd love to have the rest of them collected in something affordable. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2015 14:33:10 GMT -5
Maybe Everett didn't do those issues?? Everett was in the Army from February 1942 until February of 1946. During that time, Sub-Mariner was written by others under the interim editorial leadership of Vince Fago. Everett's first credit after his discharge from the Army is in Sub-Mariner Comics #21 where he found himself, as he put it, "picking up the Sub-Mariner where I'd left off four years ago." So, out of the 1-12 collected, he really only did 1-4 (according to the dates on the link). Have you read these? If so, did you care for the ones that Everett didn't do? I'm not sure if I only want to get what Everett has done, or if it's worth getting those extra 7 issues in collection. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2015 15:07:30 GMT -5
I read the first Golden Age Sub-Mariner Masterworks earlier this month collecting 1-4, and Everett is only credited on issues 1-2, the Sub-Mariner stories in 3 and 4 had credits unknown. The 4 stories he did in 1 and 2 were credited to Everett and unknown, as it was a studio effort not an Everett solo effort. The quality of the stories in those issues was up and down for me. I enjoyed a few and some were a chore to get through. I did like the stuff in the first 2 issues better but even a couple of those were rough.
-M
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Post by Phil Maurice on Feb 25, 2015 15:08:14 GMT -5
So, out of the 1-12 collected, he really only did 1-4 (according to the dates on the link). That would appear to be the case. Remember too that Sub-Mariner by Everett also appears in Marvel Mystery, All-Winners, Human Torch, and probably one or two other places I'm forgetting. I've read very few of the non-Everett Golden Age Sub-Mariner. I have All-Winners #12 and #13, for example. One is a by-the-numbers Japanese war tale; the other has Namor busting up a black market gasoline racket. It's pretty standard war-time fare of no real significance to Namor's history. IMO of this admittedly tiny sample, you're not missing much. I collect these Timely books (when I can; they are super-expensive) primarily for the stunning Alex Schomburg cover art. ETA: Beaten to it by mrp above. Everett only in the first two issues? Probably true. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 25, 2015 15:50:30 GMT -5
This is a bit off-topic, but I've always been shocked that Everett's estate never made a move to terminate the copyright on Sub-Mariner. There's a really good argument that that first Sub-Mariner story was not work for hire.
Any thoughts on that Phil?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2015 16:00:32 GMT -5
I read the first Golden Age Sub-Mariner Masterworks earlier this month collecting 1-4, and Everett is only credited on issues 1-2, the Sub-Mariner stories in 3 and 4 had credits unknown. The 4 stories he did in 1 and 2 were credited to Everett and unknown, as it was a studio effort not an Everett solo effort. The quality of the stories in those issues was up and down for me. I enjoyed a few and some were a chore to get through. I did like the stuff in the first 2 issues better but even a couple of those were rough. -M Thank you! You have saved me money then. |
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Post by Phil Maurice on Feb 25, 2015 16:02:05 GMT -5
This is a bit off-topic, but I've always been shocked that Everett's estate never made a move to terminate the copyright on Sub-Mariner. There's a really good argument that that first Sub-Mariner story was not work for hire. Any thoughts on that Phil? Hmm. From what I understand, that first Sub-Mariner story was produced on a freelance basis for Funnies, Inc. When that fell through, the character was offered to Funnies, Inc.'s client Martin Goodman, where it was expanded and published in Marvel Comics #1. Now, I know nothing about the intricacies of work-for-hire as it existed in the 30s, but perhaps Everett's estate witnessed the failures of other creators of the period to reclaim their characters and decided it either wasn't feasible or wasn't worth it.
Sorry. Best I've got.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2015 16:14:49 GMT -5
So, out of the 1-12 collected, he really only did 1-4 (according to the dates on the link). That would appear to be the case. Remember too that Sub-Mariner by Everett also appears in Marvel Mystery, All-Winners, Human Torch, and probably one or two other places I'm forgetting. I've read very few of the non-Everett Golden Age Sub-Mariner. I have All-Winners #12 and #13, for example. One is a by-the-numbers Japanese war tale; the other has Namor busting up a black market gasoline racket. It's pretty standard war-time fare of no real significance to Namor's history. IMO of this admittedly tiny sample, you're not missing much. I collect these Timely books (when I can; they are super-expensive) primarily for the stunning Alex Schomburg cover art. ETA: Beaten to it by mrp above. Everett only in the first two issues? Probably true. For golden age Sub-Mariner, I have the Golden Age Marvel omnibus Vol. 1, MMW Golden Age Marvel comics vol. 4 & 5, and MMW Atlas Era Heroes Sub-Mariner & Human Torch vol. 3. If I had to guess, I'm going to say I probably have close to most of the golden age Sub-Mariner stuff I want to read? If the non-Everett Sub-Mariner stuff is sub-par/boring/just-not-as-good then I won't bother with it. I'll save my money. I've been reading his silver age stuff in collection (Tales to Astonish, mainly), and then I went back and read some of the real early golden age stuff, and then settled down with some #34 and #35 (I think) of Sub-Mariner Comics last night. It's funny to read him go from, well, anti-hero who is self-righteous and kingly, then I step back from that to read him as this super friendly guy who is willing to help surface dwellers. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Feb 25, 2015 16:31:17 GMT -5
I have vols 2 and 3 of the Submariner MMWs, and enjoyed both of them... I'd have to look to be sure, but I think they're the ones with the Angel as the back up, which is also really good. I don't really recall I change in quality between the Marvel (Mystery) Comics stories and the Namor ones that I've read.
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Post by Phil Maurice on Feb 25, 2015 16:32:22 GMT -5
It's funny to read him go from, well, anti-hero who is self-righteous and kingly, then I step back from that to read him as this super friendly guy who is willing to help surface dwellers. Heh. Yeah, when you figure that Namor's been around practically as long as Superman and Batman, you're going to get wildly divergent interpretations of him across decades. The 1950s "Sufferin' Shad" era is particularly jarring, as is some of the late-40s stuff which emulates Archie at times. The stories are all over the place. Pre-Silver Age Namor appeals to me mostly because of the art from luminaries like the afore-mentioned Schomburg, Everett obviously, and the incomparable Joe Maneely. |
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