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Post by shaxper on May 28, 2014 19:37:56 GMT -5
I started thinking today about the fact that the first generation of comic book collectors is now nearly gone, as well as the fact that the second generation is nearing its own Golden Years.
First off, I'm awed by the sense of mortality. Our comics will survive us. We will die, and they will still exist...somewhere; probably sold off in estate sales or brought to the first comic shop someone could find. That's just odd to me. I can handle the idea that Edgar Church's collection is now broken up and circulating across the nation, but MY collection -- it won't always be there in my attic, and my daughters may not inherit my life-long love for them. Likely, they'll end up being an inconvenience to my girls, torn between getting rid of them quickly and feeling like they're somehow doing me a disservice by not holding on to 80 short boxes for which they have neither the space nor the interest.
Second, and a little less deep of a concern, what does this do to the back issue market? Golden Age comics are rare enough that anyone looking to unload a collection is probably still going to get a decent price, even if they're in a hurry and not particularly in the know. But Silver Age collectors are now approaching their sixties. Within the next decade, we're going to start seeing a significant number of collections liquidated by inheritors, and those books are far less scarce. Will a high frequency of hastily sold large collections damage back issue demand and value, or can we be confident that the bulk of silver age books are in the hands of dealers and younger collectors, thus preventing the market from being flooded?
Granted, many people live into their 80s and 90s, but it's a given that we're going to see the passing of a lot of Silver Age collectors within the next ten years.
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Post by Prince Hal on May 28, 2014 20:18:16 GMT -5
I also think about such things, Shax, amazed by how quickly the years go. I remember vividly the moments when I bought certain comics 50 years ago. Fifty years before that, World War One began! These pamphlets were never meant t be saved, but for many of us, they are velveteen rabbits that we bring down form the shelf whenever we feel nostalgia in its purest sense, a yearning for home. The older I get, the more I realize the role comics played in my life. They taught me, inspired me, lifted me. Without being melodramatic or mawkish, they helped me through some years of frustration and sadness, and were the refuge for me that far more harmful habits were for too many of my friends. I think I'm going to have to sell mine. I doubt my kids will want all of them, even my older son who loved them as a kid, so I'll try to get them to good homes. They're boxed, but most aren't "bagged and boarded," so the "grade-conscious" types won't want them, so I'm sure they're not with much, which is good, because then maybe someone like me, who didn't collect but actually read and reread them, can enjoy them as I did and still do. I love seeing the names of the former owners on covers or filled in on lines in subscription ads. I love the small of those old DCs and the heft of the pulpy paper,and the color of both the covers and the pages, so easy on the eyes, unlike the metallic, brassy look they have today. Give me the rolled spine, the weathered cover, the loose staple, the coverless masses yearning to breathe free -- wait, wrong sentimental invocation! -- and the accompanying trip into the past every time. I especially love seeing the date scratched in ink on covers, because then I know the exact store where I bought them, a little "candy store," as they were known way back when, a block from my high school in a dicey neighborhood in the North Ward of Newark. I still remember the books I bought there: my first ever Tomahawk, which I'd only seen in ads in those days of sporadic distribution; Green Lantern 76, which changed everything there for a while; the Challengers of the Unknown in which SPOILER ALERT! Red Ryan returned from the dead; and so many others. Like so many fellow posters, I could go on, but I'll be happy someday to know that the old-fashioned stuff amongst the thousands of books I have will someday be treasured by someone else, whether it's my sons (Never my daughter!) or others who just plain love comics. Maybe you can think of your collection that way, Shax, kind of a cross between what you do as a teacher and what John Chapman did with his apple seeds. It will be a sorry world indeed if there's no one out there who won't want to read all of these lines on paper that have brought you and me such joy.
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Post by shaxper on May 28, 2014 20:24:58 GMT -5
I also think about such things, Shax, amazed by how quickly the years go. I remember vividly the moments when I bought certain comics 50 years ago. Fifty years before that, World War One began! These pamphlets were never meant t be saved, but for many of us, they are velveteen rabbits that we bring down form the shelf whenever we feel nostalgia in its purest sense, a yearning for home. The older I get, the more I realize the role comics played in my life. They taught me, inspired me, lifted me. Without being melodramatic or mawkish, they helped me through some years of frustration and sadness, and were the refuge for me that far more harmful habits were for too many of my friends. I think I'm going to have to sell mine. I doubt my kids will want all of them, even my older son who loved them as a kid, so I'll try to get them to good homes. They're boxed, but most aren't "bagged and boarded," so the "grade-conscious" types won't want them, so I'm sure they're not with much, which is good, because then maybe someone like me, who didn't collect but actually read and reread them, can enjoy them as I did and still do. I love seeing the names of the former owners on covers or filled in on lines in subscription ads. I love the small of those old DCs and the heft of the pulpy paper,and the color of both the covers and the pages, so easy on the eyes, unlike the metallic, brassy look they have today. Give me the rolled-spine, the weathered cover, the loose staple, the coverless masses yearning to breathe free -- wait, wrong sentimental invocation! -- and the accompanying trip into the past every time. I especially love seeing the date scratched in ink on covers, because then I know the exact store where I bought them, a little "candy store," as they were known way back when, a block from my high school in a dicey neighborhood in the North Ward of Newark. I still remember the books I bought there: my first ever Tomahawk, which I'd only seen in ads in those days of sporadic distribution; Green Lantern 76, which changed everything there for a while; the Challengers of the Unknown in which SPOILER ALERT! Red Ryan returned from the dead; and so many others. Like so many fellow posters, I could go on, but I'll be happy someday to know that the old-fashioned stuff amongst the thousands of books I have will someday be treasured by someone else, whether it's my sons (Never my daughter!) or others who just plain love comics. Maybe you can think of your collection that way, Shax, kind of a cross between what you do as a teacher and what John Chapman did with his apple seeds. It will be a sorry world indeed if there's no one out there who won't want to read all of these lines on paper that have brought you and me such joy. This is such a beautiful epiphet for an entire generation of readers, Hal. Wow.
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Post by Prince Hal on May 28, 2014 20:49:23 GMT -5
Shax, when it comes to putting a monetary value on something we love, I think of what Antony says to Cleopatra when she demands, "If it be love indeed, tell me how much."
And Antony answers, "There's beggary in love that can be reckoned."
Thanks, Shax.
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Post by MDG on May 28, 2014 21:34:12 GMT -5
I gotta go with Hal--I've been selling(or at least putting out there) a lot of comics that I bought off the stands as a collector in the 70s and 80s, but can't seem to part with silver age books no matter how ratty they are and even if I bought them 30 years after the fact rather than off the stands.
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Post by Crimebuster on May 28, 2014 21:39:29 GMT -5
I am pretty sure that we will be seeing a glut of Silver Age collections hit the market in the next 15 years. There are a lot of original owners who have held on to their books and will be selling them off, or will have them sold off after they die. It would not surprise me a bit if prices went flat if not down for a period of years while the market absorbs those books.
Just as an example as to how many copies of some of those books there really are out there, I've heard from a pretty reliable source over on the CGC boards that there's a guy who owns an entire short box of Amazing Fantasy #15's. And that's just one guy.
As a side note: Over on the CGC forums, there's also a guy named Marty Mann who posts fairly regularly. He's an actual original collector from the golden age. I'm not sure just when he started buying comics, but I think it might have been around '42, and he still has many of his original comics from the 40's and 50's. It's always awesome when he posts stories and pictures of some pre-code issue or other he bought off the stands. Guys like that are very very few and far between now.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on May 28, 2014 21:55:47 GMT -5
Yup,I gave this subject plenty of thought and pulled the trigger.Sold the whole collection in one giant transaction.There were too many reasons to do it. My collection was too big, something like 70,000 to 80,000 comics requiring me to rent storage space.If the books aren't readily available to you,its like you don't own them anyway.Besides,was I going to spend money on storage space for the rest of my life.Hell no-its expensive in Manhattan.
Besides which,I wanted to enjoy the money I'd get from it while I was still young enough.And I didn't want to compete with all the other aging baby boomers who will finally sell their collections or their heirs dumping them. You'll see alot of that over the next 10-15 years
My prediction:Between many,many collections being sold off and many reprints available in different print and digital formats,high-grade books will keep their values but mid and lower grade books will get cheaper and cheaper .
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Post by Randle-El on May 28, 2014 22:55:18 GMT -5
I sometimes wonder if digital comics will play a factor in modern printed comics (21st century) increasing in value someday in the distant future, simply by virtue of digital surpassing print as the preferred medium for comics distribution and print comics being released in ever diminishing numbers. Print runs these days seem to be a lot lower than they were in the past, and if the demand is there for actual printed material, perhaps we may see a resurgence in values among collectors?
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Post by shaxper on May 29, 2014 5:15:34 GMT -5
I sometimes wonder if digital comics will play a factor in modern printed comics (21st century) increasing in value someday in the distant future, simply by virtue of digital surpassing print as the preferred medium for comics distribution and print comics being released in ever diminishing numbers. Print runs these days seem to be a lot lower than they were in the past, and if the demand is there for actual printed material, perhaps we may see a resurgence in values among collectors? Well there's no doubt in my mind that comics from around 2000 to 2010 will be worth big money one day since average print runs were about 30,000 copies per issue AND a lot of current readers don't bother to bag and board their books anymore, assuming they're worthless as investments. Any issue from that span that ends up being a key first appearance will be worth big money one day. While I'm not generally a speculator, I grabbed up as many copies as I could of the first Damian Wayne, Kate Kane, and Miss Martian when they hit stands.
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Post by shaxper on May 29, 2014 5:16:34 GMT -5
Just as an example as to how many copies of some of those books there really are out there, I've heard from a pretty reliable source over on the CGC boards that there's a guy who owns an entire short box of Amazing Fantasy #15's. And that's just one guy. Yes. I've heard there are MANY copies out there.
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Post by superecwfan1 on May 29, 2014 6:09:21 GMT -5
As it stands right now I plan to pass my collection on to my niece or maybe kids if I have children. Or maybe I will sell them. Never say never. I'm still a young guy. I have collected the last 20 years (and grew my Silver/Bronze age collection the past decade) . So who knows.
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Post by Cei-U! on May 29, 2014 7:59:45 GMT -5
Rob Allen and I have an informal understanding that whichever one goes first leaves his comics to the other. If there's a lot of that going on in the collector community then the appearance of our generation's hoards on the open market may not be a foregone conclusion.
Cei-U! Too early in the morning to be thinking about the D word!
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 9:19:28 GMT -5
Rob Allen and I have an informal understanding that whichever one goes first leaves his comics to the other. If there's a lot of that going on in the collector community then the appearance of our generation's hoards on the open market may not be a foregone conclusion. Cei-U! Too early in the morning to be thinking about the D word! And then comes the proliferation of headlines along the lines of...Obsessed comic collector plotted demise of friend to acquire comic stash! Details at 11.... Not sure what I will do with mine. I have no kids to pass them on to. Probably tell my wife to sell what she can if she chooses and donate the rest to a library/literacy program/children's hospital or what have you where they might bring some joy/do some good for others. Since I mostly get reading copies, I suspect the vast majority will end up there. -M
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Post by Roquefort Raider on May 29, 2014 9:30:00 GMT -5
My kids show very little interest in my comics, and unless that changes I'm pretty sure I'll eventually give them away to someone who can truly appreciate them. Good thing we have this board to find candidates!!! I'm wary of public libraries because they tend to do away with a lot of material, and comics by their very nature are fragile, hard to put on shelves and not meant for frequent manipulation. I fear they'd be dumped in pretty short order. Hopefully that decision won't have to be made until 2040 or something. I intend to reread the damn things a few times yet.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on May 29, 2014 9:48:51 GMT -5
Rob Allen and I have an informal understanding that whichever one goes first leaves his comics to the other. If there's a lot of that going on in the collector community then the appearance of our generation's hoards on the open market may not be a foregone conclusion. Cei-U! Too early in the morning to be thinking about the D word! Putting on my lawyer hat, Kurt you and Rob should probably formalize that. Not only is there the issue of your heirs not knowing your intention, but those intentions aren't binding unless there's a written will. If your (or Rob's) collection is viewed in monetary terms they could well decide to just sell it and cash in.
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