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Post by shaxper on May 29, 2014 21:32:29 GMT -5
We should also remember that all of us on this website are not,to put it midly,typical of the general public.We have much higher taste and esthetics. So I wouldn't use us as an example of there being a resurgence in physical accumulation of entertainment media among the general public
E-devices will get better and better and cheaper and cheaper.Thats the trend in electronics for the last 100 years.I'm in NYC and take the train to work every day.I'm in a subway car with 100 people twice a day.10 years ago,half would be listening to music,the other half reading a newspaper ,mag or book.Today? Maybe 10 are reading something physical,most likely less.I see this every day,coming and going. I walk down the street and most people are like Zombies staring at their e-devices or on their cellphones.In the last 10 years there has been a MASSIVE change in the city on how relate to their devices.I don't think middle America is that much behind and trends like these only gather momentum E-devices while on the subway make sense from a convenience and practicality standpoint. Watching someone listen to an MP3 or read an E-book on the subway doesn't tell you whether or not they go home to play a favorite album on vinyl or pull a cherished hardcover off the shelf. You wouldn't bring those things on a train. It would make no sense. I don't know if you saw that I edited my previous post and added a lot to it, but I think it addresses some of this. |
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Post by shaxper on May 29, 2014 21:39:01 GMT -5
Here's a good analogy. We KNOW that a vast majority of those people play games on their portable devices but go home to play X-Box One or Playstation 4. Convenience when away; higher quality experience at home -- and they pay big money for the privilege.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 21:41:19 GMT -5
My cousin released his album on vinyl only. He's an idiot. It was limited to 100 copies. He has international distribution, he has a following. But he personally only buys collectors edition vinyl so that's all he wants his music on. I told him put it on iTunes and make some money. He said "My fans would never buy that" and I said "What if they want to listen to music in the car?" and he went on this long complicated speech about how he can copy his vinyl to his computer through a special turntable and make an MP3, and I said "Yeah, but surely some people would rather just buy the MP3?" and he didn't get it.
So he's in a metal band with international following and sells 100 copies of each album.
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Post by shaxper on May 29, 2014 21:45:14 GMT -5
Another (and, I think, better) analogy:
You can stream movies and television on your smart phone, so why do people still buy enormous HD TVs with 1083p resolution?
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 21:45:45 GMT -5
Here's a good analogy. We KNOW that a vast majority of those people play games on their portable devices but go home to play X-Box One or Playstation 4. Convenience when away; higher quality experience at home -- and they pay big money for the privilege. But there's an actual difference in the game and the gameplay. The size of the screen and the control matter when you're playing Call Of Duty, which some people tend to prefer over Flappy Bird. But if you don't have a premium sound system, vinyl and digital are going to sound exactly the same, and how many people own high end sound systems? We know a vast majority of people aren't buying albums, and fewer and fewer buy CD's every year. I haven't bought a DVD in five years easy. I have never bought a Blu Ray. I own a Blu Ray player, I watch Blu Rays through Netflix, but as soon as their streaming service offers the same content as their disc service, I'm only going to watch streaming media. They have the technology today to make discs a thing of the past, contracts and deals are all that's holding it up. Same reason we can't order our television stations a la carte. HBO wanted to offer HBOGO to anyone, but the cable companies wouldn't allow it. One day, the cable companies won't have that kind of authority. |
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Post by shaxper on May 29, 2014 21:47:07 GMT -5
Loving this discussion, but I REALLY need to get to bed.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 21:47:16 GMT -5
Another (and, I think, better) analogy: You can stream movies and television on your smart phone, so why do people still buy enormous HD TVs with 1083p resolution? Not a good analogy. The experiences change. If your floppy comic came in two formats, manga sized pages or magazine sized pages, which would you choose? The bigger one. Easier on the eyes, better display of the details. Tablet displays are comparable to comics in size these days. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 22:12:44 GMT -5
Also, a lot of retailers now (such as Amazon) include Mp3 downloads when you buy the vinyl, and Marvel for the most part when you buy a trade or floppy gives you a free digital code to download. Yet you can still buy the download w/o the physical product i most cases, but not the other way around. For me, this implies the digital format is becoming the more pervasive with higher demand, but the physical copies remain profitable to some extent for a smaller segment of he market. Movies are being packaged this way too now, but the DVD/Blueray, get the download code, or just buy the download code. Not the entire market has moved this direction, but it does seem the way sales are trending now.
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Post by Cei-U! on May 29, 2014 22:53:34 GMT -5
I will never, ever, EVER understand people who prefer vinyl to digital.
Cei-U!
I summon the enigma!
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 23:13:37 GMT -5
What I don't get is the DVD/Blu Ray combo.
Why would you want that? Either you want the Blu Ray or you want the DVD, right?
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Post by Ish Kabbible on May 29, 2014 23:17:30 GMT -5
I don't get the comic with a digital download offer.You want the comic or you want the download
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Post by Randle-El on May 29, 2014 23:29:16 GMT -5
I don't get the comic with a digital download offer.You want the comic or you want the download I think it appeals to people with certain specific collecting or reading habits. Some like owning the physical book but want to be able to have access to it while traveling. Others object to paying the same price for digital as print, so they buy the book with the free digital copy, and then sell the book. Or they keep the book and sell the digital code. Either way, you can make a lot of your money back. Personally, I like to buy the Marvel $3.99 books that come with a digital code knowing that if I need to get rid of stuff due to running out of space, I can sell the book and still keep a digital copy that I can read. I definitely prefer print to digital, but with current books (which are all produced on computer anyway) there's little difference in the reading experience IMO. I like both older comics and newer comics, but I prefer to actually keep and collect older comics, whereas I have less qualms about getting rid of newer comics. If I have to thin the herd, anything printed on glossy paper is the first to go.  That's why the digital codes are a great compromise for me. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 23:31:18 GMT -5
I will never, ever, EVER understand people who prefer vinyl to digital. Cei-U! I summon the enigma! I prefer 12" album art than crappy artwork squeezed onto a dumb old cd case. |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on May 29, 2014 23:34:57 GMT -5
I will never, ever, EVER understand people who prefer vinyl to digital. Cei-U! I summon the enigma! Sound quality is superior on vinyl.The record industry sold people horse manure when they stated the opposite when CDs were introduced. |
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 23:54:41 GMT -5
I will never, ever, EVER understand people who prefer vinyl to digital. Cei-U! I summon the enigma! Sound quality is superior on vinyl.The record industry sold people horse manure when they stated the opposite when CDs were introduced. That's true, but you really need quality equipment to really tell the difference. I think a lot of people on their budget systems claiming to hear the richness of vinyl are experiencing the placebo effect. I remember when my dad bought an early HDTV, the 720p model that still had the coax cable jack in back, and he hooked his cable line up to it and said "My god, HD is so amazing!" The TV was new, but the resolution had not changed because of the signal fed to it. |
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That's why the digital codes are a great compromise for me.