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Post by Nowhere Man on Feb 6, 2015 20:46:52 GMT -5
On a far more positive note, I'm really enjoying Busiek's Autumnlands: Tooth & Claw series. I hope this one stays around for a long time since it's exactly the sort of thing comics needs right now with the glut of unimaginative event driven superhero stories being pumped out ad nauseum by Marvel and DC. I enjoyed Saga #25 just as much, which is no surprise. I'm very impressed not only with that series, but how upfront they are with readers in how they're going to produce and release the series; they do six issues, take a break, then come back for the next arc.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2015 20:56:02 GMT -5
Never heard of Autimnlands, but it looks interesting. Definitely gonna check out the first trade.
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Feb 6, 2015 21:09:19 GMT -5
I obviously have a bias against Bendis' style, but I can't even say that his dialog is a strongpoint; page after page of dialog is not my idea of a good superhero comic. I have nothing against this in practice, many pages of Sandman were constructed that way, but it simply doesn't work for me in Avengers. When I read Sandman, I wanted that sort of thing as an experience from a stylistic perspective. As far as realism is concerned, I've always found that to be the most overrated aspect of the post-Watchman/DKR's era. What's most important to me is emotional resonance and substance. I can only speak for myself, but well written idealism has always moved me more than well written postmodernism. I like both, but I certainly favor one over the other. Sorry to cut it all so short but 2 things... "page after page" is something I usually enjoy with Bendis because the conversations are interesting(mostly) and often witty. However it isnt something I want in every comic, not all writers make this work, I'm thinking Claremont and Nicieza(god I got that right first time) on X-Men here, a book I always thought was over talky. As far as "realism' or "emotional resonance", its more a failure on my part to lable clearly, I'm all for substance and emotional content, I want my heroes to be empathetic and to have real feelings, and I want it to be written well. Sorry but I still have got no idea what postmodernism is, and deconstruction makes me wonder when they changed it from demolition... Shame if Bendis is leaving X-Men books, I've enjoyed his work there (and mostly on his Avengers, previously, apart from unwinding everything he'd done at the end). New Avengers (last week) and Avengers, this week, seem markedly more interesting that the last few issues - they seem to be getting to the crunch point now (shame that point is going to be Secret Wars, but still) Glad I'm not a lone voice here Simon, havent always agreed with everything you say, but lately apart from the Bendis thing, your posts here have echoed a lot of my own opinions of modern books I read. I also thought that Avengers has seemed to be picking up, obviously with an end point well staked out by Secret Wars. Now if Trebor and Coldwater were talking about Avengers as the book dragging on and on, I would completely understand. I am excited to hear that he is off the X-Men. I am in the group of folks who could not stand his X-Men. And if this means the end of the X-Men? So be it. I'd rather have them end than to be written by him, dragging on and on and ON for an eternity doing NOTHING. Despite disagreeing over Bendis, I do agree that he has a tendency to drag things out a bit, this was one of the things that bugged me with the first volume of New Avengers. That year of Dark Avengers would have been about a month in real time, but I enjoy the stories so its not a BIG issue for me. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Feb 6, 2015 21:10:34 GMT -5
Never heard of Autimnlands, but it looks interesting. Definitely gonna check out the first trade. Same here, but I love Busiek so I'll be checking this out |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2015 21:27:08 GMT -5
Never heard of Autimnlands, but it looks interesting. Definitely gonna check out the first trade. Same here, but I love Busiek so I'll be checking this out It was initially announced and the first issue released as Tooth and Claw, and all the prerelease buzz used that title, but there was a trademark issue that was raised after the book was released leading to it being called Autumnlands: Tooth and Claw now. The first issue was amazing, but it came out just a sI was giving up new books for a while, so I will wait for the first trade to read the rest of the initial story. -M |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2015 21:42:32 GMT -5
So, does anybody here enjoy Rob Williams? He's writing the upcoming Martian Manhunter, but I all I know from him is Doctor Who and I juat dropped that.
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Post by Action Ace on Feb 6, 2015 21:45:22 GMT -5
Old pull list (no weeklies, in the main DCU)
1. Batgirl
2. Batman
3. Batman and Robin
4. Batman/ Superman
5. Detective Comics
6. Grayson
7. Green Lantern
8. Green Lantern Corps
9. Sinestro
10. Aquaman
11. Aquaman and the Others
12. Earth 2
13. Flash
14. Justice League
15. Justice League 3000
16. Justice League United
17. Teen Titans
18. Wonder Woman
19. Worlds' Finest
20. Action Comics
21. Superman
22. Superman/ Wonder Woman
23. Supergirl
New Pull List (best guess)
OLD
1. Action Comics
2. Aquaman
3. Batgirl
4. Batman
5. Detective Comics
6. Batman/ Superman
7. Flash
8. Grayson
9. Green Lantern
10. Justice League
11. Justice League United
12. Sinestro
13. Superman
14. Superman/ Wonder Woman
15. Teen Titans
16. Wonder Woman
NEW
17. Bat-Mite
18. Bizarro
19. Cyborg
20. Earth 2: Society
21. Dr. Fate
22. Justice League of America
23. Justice League 3001
24. Martian Manhunter
25. Robin, Son of Batman
I'm sure I'll buy the first issue of each of those 9, this next group still has time to get a look.
26. Green Lantern: Lost Army
27. Mystic U
28. Prez
29. We Are Robin
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Post by Action Ace on Feb 6, 2015 21:49:23 GMT -5
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Post by Crimebuster on Feb 7, 2015 0:57:00 GMT -5
Story should work hand in hand with continuity, otherwise there's no point in a shared universe. Just my two cents, of course. Of course, as long as Didio and especially Bob Harras are in charge, I doubt I will like much DC puts out either way.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2015 1:06:07 GMT -5
Story should work hand in hand with continuity, otherwise there's no point in a shared universe. Just my two cents, of course. Of course, as long as Didio and especially Bob Harras are in charge, I doubt I will like much DC puts out either way. I think this announcement shows that Didio and Harras are no longer the guiding voice in the room at DC, Mark Doyle is and he has Diane Nelson's ear now that everyone is in Burbank. I think Didio and Harras right now are figureheads/lame ducks with Doyle being positioned to be the new EIC. -M |
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Post by Nowhere Man on Feb 7, 2015 3:24:49 GMT -5
The problem with Didio's statement is that Marvel and DC are still living off the reflected glory of runs created during an era when continuity was tight, but still wasn't allowed to get in the way of good storytelling. They don't want to streamline continuity, yet they want to eat their cake and have it too by using massive interconnected events and tie-ins to sell comics, which can only be done using the framework of a shared universe. The shared universe mandates a balance of both extremes (I'm thinking Marvel circa 1963-1983 as the best example over a long period of time.) but there's nothing wrong with story first/creative vision first. This is how all creator owned series work. You just have to treat each series as a standalone animated show or TV show that's clearly detached from everything else. Marvel and DC are too chicken to do this, so we're left with a mess.
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Post by crazyoldhermit on Feb 7, 2015 3:33:08 GMT -5
"In this new era of storytelling, story will trump continuity as we continue to empower creators to tell the best stories in the industry," DiDio said in the announcement. Pretty easy to do that when you don't have a continuity anymore. |
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Post by Confessor on Feb 7, 2015 7:22:08 GMT -5
If you don't want to tell stories within the confines of continuity, then you shouldn't be working in the comics industry, in my view. A huge, convoluted continuity is something that is both intrinsic and unique (read "special") about comic book characters whose adventures are published on a monthly schedule over several decades. If that's not your thing as a writer, then go and create your own characters and publish those stories as novels. Leave comics to those who can tell great stories while embracing continuity.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2015 7:31:44 GMT -5
*sobs in the corner because she just wants the original Wally West back*
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2015 12:54:10 GMT -5
If you don't want to tell stories within the confines of continuity, then you shouldn't be working in the comics industry, in my view. A huge, convoluted continuity is something that is both intrinsic and unique (read "special") about comic book characters whose adventures are published on a monthly schedule over several decades. If that's not your thing as a writer, then go and create your own characters and publish those stories as novels. Leave comics to those who can tell great stories while embracing continuity. It's not intrinsic, I think it's been adopted as the norm post Golden Age by Marvel first and then DC, and its been enculturated into long term hardcore fans of those sets of characters, but how much continuity is there in Archie for instance, continuously published monthly adventures of comic book characters since the 40s, but no heavy continuity-what Archie and Betty did on a date in 1974 isn't grist for an epic angst ridden storyline in 2015 for instance, and how much continuity was there in all those Duck comics by Barks, Rosa, et. al. over the years...Golden Age Comics featuring super-heroes contradicted themselves within issues regarding events and continuity yet still told monthly adventures of super-heroes in comics form. And yet all of these were still monthly comics featuring adventures of characters even without continuity, so there is nothing intrinsic about continuity to comics. It's a preference of a subset of fans of a particular genre of comic stories produced by a subset of particular publishers within the industry. It is not necessary for something to be a comic or even an ongoing comic. -M |
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