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Post by berkley on Feb 9, 2015 0:33:36 GMT -5
One thing I think that older comic readers don't really think about (and by that I mean probably the majority of the folks here) is that new comic readers today are as far removed from comics of the late 70s, early 80s as I was removed from the publication of Action #1. Intellectually, yes we realize it...but don't really think of it. A GENERATION has gone by since Watchmen was published. So while it's certainly true that they can read and appreciate them, on some level they are also historical and cultural artifacts. The same rules didn't necessarily work for us as readers as worked for our parents. Expecting the rules that worked for us to work for new readers is hubris. Actually, this is a very good point. To again strike a music analogy, I know young people in their early 20s who love listening to the music of the 1960s, but a man in his mid-20s listening to the likes of The Beatles, Jimi Hendrix, Pink Floyd today is like a young man in the 60s listening to Sophie Tucker or Al Jolson. I guess, we sometimes fail to appreciate just how old these things are and how much time has passed sometimes. However, I've always been a firm believer that if something is good...and I mean really good, then it will still be good in 10 years or in 50 years. Yes, of course, modes of storytelling and presentation will change and old things will, on some level, always be historical and cultural artifacts. But the best art or literature transcends that, I think. I agree with this, but with a qualification: I think there's a much smaller difference between the comics or the pop music of today and those of 30 or 40 years ago, than between the comics or pop music of 30 or 40 years ago and those of 60 years ago. There's a lot of pop music today that sounds like variations on the Stones or Pink Floyd or Hendrix or whatever; there's a lot of comics that read like variations on Watchmen or the Avengers of the 70s or even 60s. I don't think you could say the same about the pop music or comics of the 70s and those of the 30s or 40s, at least not to the same extent - there are always exceptions, of course.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2015 16:32:08 GMT -5
I think a good comic is a good comic no matter when it was published. Most of what I read is either before my time, something that came out when I was very little and had no idea it existed at the time, or is brand new. I don't read for nostalgia. I'm not reading what I was reading when I was a child, for the most part.
So while I don't think Action 1 was a good comic, I don't think the newest issue or any issue from 1988 were all that great either. I DO like plenty of EC comics, plenty of Barks comics, plenty of Eisner comics, plenty of Crumb comics, all from before my time though. And plenty of modern stuff. It doesn't have to be one or the other.
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Post by dupersuper on Feb 9, 2015 17:24:47 GMT -5
So while I don't think Action 1 was a good comic, I don't think the newest issue or any issue from 1988 were all that great either. Since 88??? Stern, Kelly, Johns, Simone, Cornell, Morrison, Pak.....
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Post by thwhtguardian on Feb 9, 2015 20:20:28 GMT -5
I just finished the second Blacksad album, and I have to say that I absolutely loved that final image.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2015 3:11:34 GMT -5
So while I don't think Action 1 was a good comic, I don't think the newest issue or any issue from 1988 were all that great either. Since 88??? Stern, Kelly, Johns, Simone, Cornell, Morrison, Pak..... I don't think me and you would likely agree on what is and isn't a good Superman comic.
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Post by DubipR on Feb 10, 2015 9:28:53 GMT -5
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Post by dupersuper on Feb 10, 2015 21:00:29 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2015 10:32:58 GMT -5
So, did Captain Marvel #12 not ship today or did my shop just not get it?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2015 16:50:46 GMT -5
Spider-Verse came to an OK-ish conclusion in Amazing Spider-Man after a lot of meh in the run up. All-New X-Men and Walking Dead enjoyable but not earth-shattering. X-Force continues to have some of the worst art I've ever seen in a big 2 comic.
Southern Bastards was pretty good, as was Thor. Nightcrawler was very Claremonty. X-Men was a mess. Thanos v Hulk just seems a pointless excuse for a load of cosmic Starlin waffle (previous issues) and big fights (this issue); some of Starlin's better art for a while though.
Astro City was OK, but it still feels pretty insubstantial like this series is just going through the motions
In Spider Woman, Greg Land draws a lot of women who are literally indistinguishable from each other except by their costumes - they all have exactly the same face.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Feb 12, 2015 7:39:02 GMT -5
King Conan: the conqueror just came out in collected form at Dark Horse and... that's pretty much it. It's a honest comic, and even as a hard to please Conan fan I am O.K. with it; it is not, however, the best Conan comic I've read. Heck, it's not even the best adaptation of the hour of the dragon I've read.
Writer Tim Truman gets Conan and is in control of the source material; that is of course a huge plus. Fans of the character have been blessed by his years at the writing desk of the regular Dark Horse Conan comic, and then by his handling of several limited series. (Other writers, including a certain fan favorite, were meanwhile busy making a travesty of the character in his main title). This particular book, nevertheless, never seems to quite grab us the way the Howard original or the Marvel adaptation did.
Perhaps the fault lies in its framing device: the tale is told by a very old King Conan, decades after the events. This removes a sense of urgency from the adventure, as we already know that Conan will survive, Aquilonia will survive, Zenobia (his queen) will survive, and everything will be fine in the end. Yes, yes, we always know that the Cimmerian will triumph, but when a story is told as if it were happening right now, we can always entertain the conceit that he might not. Old King Conan is also an unpleasant fellow. It may be more realistic to show an aged hero as a bragging, pretentious and falsely modest old crank, but it doesn't mean we want to hang around too long with him! The idea that "the Nemedian chronicles" can be tracked back to one author and one book is also too reductive; I prefer the term to describe some ill-defined body of work given an overall title, sort of like "the Greek classics".
Truman felt that some things had to be changed from Howard's original when making the transition to the comics page. I don't begrudge a writer the right to change things when adapting a story; it is, after all, an adaptation and not necessarily a simple transposition. And while a fan of Howard's writing, I don't view the man's work as sacred. That being said, I did not agree with all the changes made. Some made perfect dramatic sense: having Conan present for the climactic final encounter with the main villain makes perfect sense, and in fact Roy Thomas made the same modification when he adapted the same scene in SSoC #10. Having Zenobia (Conan's love interest in this story) be the girl to be sacrificed in the same climactic scene is also more dramatic (if a little harder to explain, plot-wise) than some random lady. Having Zenobia kick ass alongside her man earlier in the tale also sounds pretty appropriate.
However, having Conan explain that he never married Zenobia after all seems wrong. She can not be queen of Aquilonia if the king just keeps her as his mistress, and their kids can not inherit the crown. Here that's actually the point: Conan doesn't want his sons to inherit a crown; he wants them to struggle and make their own way in life. An admirable sentiment, perhaps, but also an incredibly assholish thing to do. First, Conan claimed he would make Zenobia queen; that's even the very last thing he says, chronologically, in the stories written by Howard. Not having him fulfill his promise is a disappointment. Second, politically speaking, it is very dangerous for a king not to have a clear successor; most historical kings obsessed over the matter and tried to have an heir as fast as they could. The Cimmerian himself faced three attempted coups early in his kingly career, in part because he didn't have an heir. And third, even if one wants one's kids to grow up to be self-reliant, how fair is it for the children of a king to be bastards and without any claim to his loot just because he decided it was better for them? (Finally, in a Dark Horse limited series published previously -Conan and the midnight god- it is clearly stated that King Conan and Zenobia are married).
The art by Tomas Giorello looks beautiful, as usual, but I feel his lush and highly detailed work functions better as a series of standalone images than as "sequential storytelling", as it were. Many characters look alike, the scenes are often shown from the same angle and with the same depth, and there is little invention in the architectural or prop designs. One of the scenes from this novel was already shown in another Dark Horse book, painted by Paul Lee, and that one had a beautiful design for Khitan wizards; here they look pretty ordinary. Not bad, mind you, but more standard-looking.
The final mark would be a B minus. Still head and shoulders over the queen of the black coast book.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2015 1:50:32 GMT -5
Thor and Captain Marvel were really good as usual. Darth Vader was also enjoyable. Conan/Red Sonja wasn't nearly as good as the first issue, but still ok. There's been at least one panel in each issue that looked like it waa drawn by a different artist. Justice League United and Thanos vs Hulk were both pretty blah and feel mis-titled; way too LoSH in the former and not enough Thanos in the latter.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Feb 13, 2015 4:36:25 GMT -5
I read Starlin's early 2000's Thanos series and some of Infinity Abyss, but I'm afraid that the magic of Starlin's Marvel cosmic stories is gone for me. It's a shame because his Warlock stories and Thanos revival in the early 90's are masterpieces. The Infinity Gauntlet still remains one of the very few quality Marvel events.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2015 5:22:05 GMT -5
Thor and Captain Marvel were really good as usual. Darth Vader was also enjoyable. Conan/Red Sonja wasn't nearly as good as the first issue, but still ok. There's been at least one panel in each issue that looked like it waa drawn by a different artist. Justice League United and Thanos vs Hulk were both pretty blah and feel mis-titled; way too LoSH in the former and not enough Thanos in the latter. Well it was originally intended as the second arc in the Savage Hulk title, but sales were poor on the title so Marvel decided to split it off as it's own mini series instead, so it is not surprising it is slanted towards the Hulk. -M
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2015 12:27:30 GMT -5
Clearly I need to follow comic news more closely, because there is no way I'd have bought this knowing that.
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Post by Action Ace on Feb 14, 2015 21:17:38 GMT -5
For February 18, 2015...
DC COMICS Batgirl #39 Batman and Robin #39 Batman/ Superman #19 Earth 2 World's End #20 Justice League #39 Multiversity Mastermen#1 Sensation Comics #7 Supergirl #39 Superman/ Wonder Woman #16 Teen Titans #7 Wonder Woman #39
DYNAMITE King: Mandrake #1
IMAGE COMICS Invincible #117 Secret Identities #1
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