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Post by Nowhere Man on Nov 22, 2014 4:58:33 GMT -5
Marvel is practically dead to me. I haven't liked it much the last few years. The stuff I have liked dies, like The Crew, Agents of Atlas, Mystery Men. Ya know, they used to known as, wait for it, the House of Ideas. Can you believe it ? The money I used to spend on Marvel goes to all the great indies out there. Still buying and loving DC. The problem I have with Marvel is that they're superficially "off model" to the point that I don't care about the characters in their current incarnations. The events, like others have mentioned, drive me insane and I've never supported them. I also agree that mainstream Marvel and DC comics are now about pseudo-intellectual "big ideas" and that characterization has been sacrificed. Thor as a woman has been done before, Cap has been replaced numerous times, etc. This is really the only way they can keep things fresh? Don't get me started on the notion that the only way Tony Stark and Reed Richards can be interesting in this day in age is for them to be warped into Machiavellian ass-holes...ugh. I read a variety stuff like Saga, Umbral, The Sixth Gun, Tooth & Claw, so from my perspective, I want something more traditional, but still smart and well crafted, when I indulge in the comfort food that used to be the Marvel and DC universe. The problem I see is that guys like Bendis and Hickman REALLY want to be writing something else (which is perfectly fine) but they REALLY like the money Marvel provides. Unfortunately, we get square peg/round hole characterization and stories that often make little sense given established characterization. Its not that Bendis or Hickman don't have talent, the problem is that they're put on books that don't service their tastes and skills simply because they're "hot writers." This is akin to Marvel and DC, back in the 80's, convincing Alan Moore and Frank Miller to take over the reigns of Spider-Man and Avengers respectively. (I mean no offense to Moore and Miller who are both far superior writers to anyone working for Marvel and DC currently.) I think the major issue with Marvel and DC is that the best runs, critically, are almost always the runs left alone and not hampered by event tie-ins, but these are the titles that typically get canceled. This isn't just a case of Marvel and DC trying to milk the fans; the onus is also on the fans that buy all this stuff when they know damn well that the majority of it is mediocre. I honestly wouldn't have a problem with events if they were simply isolated to a six-issue series' that had little to no effect on on the ongoing's. (Rant-Mode Off) |
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Post by Dizzy D on Nov 22, 2014 5:08:58 GMT -5
Marvel is practically dead to me. I haven't liked it much the last few years. The stuff I have liked dies, like The Crew, Agents of Atlas, Mystery Men. Ya know, they used to known as, wait for it, the House of Ideas. Can you believe it ? The money I used to spend on Marvel goes to all the great indies out there. Still buying and loving DC. If you manage to ignore Hickman and Bendis, the last couple of years have been AMAZING from Marvel: Ellis' Moon Knight, the new Ms Marvel, Captain Marvel, Soule's She-Hulk, Black Widow, Waid's Daredevil, Slott's Silver Surfer, Elektra, Hawkeye, Loki, Rocket Raccoon, FF have all been wonderful comics that allowed for creative freedom and (gasp!) fun in comic books that I just cannot find from DC as often. Agreed, (then I'm also the minority (at least on this board), that really likes Hickman's Avengers.) I gave Nightcrawler and X-Factor a chance, but they were not to my liking. I'm reading Storm right now, but I'm ambivalent on it. Anyway list of currently reading: Dark Horse: Angel &Faith (in trades) and Buffy (for my sister) Empowered (whenever it comes out) Grendel (whenever it comes out) Hellboy (whenever it comes out) DC/Vertigo: Sandman (trades) Wonder Woman (in trades, till end of the Azarello Chaing) Unwritten (trades) Image: Brubaker&Philips in all their forms (trades) Death Vigil East of West (trades) Five Ghosts (trades) Lazarus Manhattan Projects (trades) Rat Queens Ravine (in dutch translations) Saga (trades) Sex (trades, whatever Joe Casey is doing else (I think Bounce is completed? Still waiting on that trade)) Velvet (trades) Marvel: Avengers (trades) Black Widow (trade, but may drop it. It's not bad, but there is more than enough stuff coming out that I like better.) Captain Marvel Daredevil (trades) Elektra (trades) Hawkeye (trades) Miracleman Moon Knight Rocket Raccoon She-Hulk (trades) Silver Surfer Storm (may drop it. I usually love Pak, but the issues have been flat to me so far.) Superior Foes of Spider-Man Uncanny Avengers (trades) |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 6:46:36 GMT -5
For those following along on the Rat Queens/Roc Upchurch saga... Upchurch off Rat Queens storyWiebe announced today Upchurch is off the book, they will have a fill in artist for #11 as he looks for a full time replacement artist -M YYYYEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSS. Thank God. I mean, I don't know how ANYONE is ever going to draw my girls better than he did, but at least the book can LIVE ON. Thank you for posting this!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 7:44:45 GMT -5
Marvel is practically dead to me. I haven't liked it much the last few years. The stuff I have liked dies, like The Crew, Agents of Atlas, Mystery Men. Ya know, they used to known as, wait for it, the House of Ideas. Can you believe it ? The money I used to spend on Marvel goes to all the great indies out there. Still buying and loving DC. They're still the House of Ideas. It's all big ideas comics that Morrison set the mold for in modern comics. That's the essential core of tentpole comic publishing that both Marvel and DC follow now. What is not the focus and the element I see missing is the story and the character development. It's all about the idea and forget everything else. -M You are brilliantly spot-on with the statement in bold. It's what Hickman does and how he writes for Marvel. Same with Bendis. Which is WHY I can hardly tolerate the "big" name titles right now from Marvel. My fave characters are written like hell, and when they're not, well, those books flop. I just do not understand WHY people buy and like the garbage (mostly) that Marvel is putting out now. Seriously, Bendis' X-Men truly SUCK. |
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Post by the4thpip on Nov 22, 2014 7:54:03 GMT -5
After reading this week's Avengers World, I am convinced that Doom will give Stingray super powers and he will become the Superior Submariner in a new series.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 8:11:25 GMT -5
After reading this week's Avengers World, I am convinced that Doom will give Stingray super powers and he will become the Superior Submariner in a new series. The what?? What is this?? What is going on? |
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Post by the4thpip on Nov 22, 2014 8:50:22 GMT -5
After reading this week's Avengers World, I am convinced that Doom will give Stingray super powers and he will become the Superior Submariner in a new series. The what?? What is this?? What is going on? Well, Valeria Richards and her Uncle Doom are recruiting a new team of Avengers including Elsa Bloodstone, 3-D Man (formerly Triathlon), USAgent, Valkyrie and Stingray. Stingray gets injured saving from Valeria, so I figure they will make him all better soon and make him an A-Lister, considering they basically made Namor an unredeemable villain in New Avengers. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 9:01:25 GMT -5
The what?? What is this?? What is going on? Well, Valeria Richards and her Uncle Doom are recruiting a new team of Avengers including Elsa Bloodstone, 3-D Man (formerly Triathlon), USAgent, Valkyrie and Stingray. Stingray gets injured saving from Valeria, so I figure they will make him all better soon and make him an A-Lister, considering they basically made Namor an unredeemable villain in New Avengers. Oh no. If this happens, I am DONE with Marvel. I cannot BELIEVE I am not DONE already. But, if this happens, I'm done. I mean, done with current stuff. I'm almost there already as it is. DARE ME, MARVEL. Just dare ME. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 22, 2014 9:44:04 GMT -5
Namor's only an unredeemable villian in the Hickman-verse, though. He's simply absent in the Bendis-verse, and wallpaper in the Remender-verse.
he's pretty much spot on character wise in Invaders and Fantastic Four, which one COULD reasonable assume actually take place in the same place.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 9:47:16 GMT -5
Namor's only an unredeemable villian in the Hickman-verse, though. He's simply absent in the Bendis-verse, and wallpaper in the Remender-verse. he's pretty much spot on character wise in Invaders and Fantastic Four, which one COULD reasonable assume actually take place in the same place. Could you pretty please keep me posted on what happens with him since I do not read New Avengers (and when did he appear in Remenderverse? And do not get me started on Remender)? I *thought* Hickman was done writing Namor as an unrepentant jerk? Did he start writing him as one again?? If so, figures. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 9:52:41 GMT -5
I cannot BELIEVE how poorly Marvel treats Namor these days. Either they treat him poorly or rarely use him.
Long GONE is the treatment he received during the Silver Age when his solo series was fantastic.
I understand that a lot of the time, when Namor is a good guy, it's done so reluctantly on his part. But, even then, with writers like Roy Thomas writing him, something comes of it.
Have they gone to Atlantis at all in New Avengers? And I'm not talking about when Wakanda attacked it and you saw the aftermath of the destruction, or when Thanos' cronies showed up there being all demanding.
I'm so sad to hear that Invaders is being cancelled.
I'm behind on my reading of it, but I absolutely LOVED the writing on it (the art could always be better, but whatever).
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Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 22, 2014 9:55:40 GMT -5
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that Remender had him in the back ground fighting with the good guys at the end of his big time travel story. I don't give Hickman any of my money, but last I checked, Namor is leading a counter-Illuminati(called the Cabal) that basically just destroys other planets to save their own.... perhaps Thanos is leading it and it was just Namor's idea... not too sure about that. The impetus of Namor doing so was that he destroyed an Earth, against the wished of the rest of the Illuminati... I think the one where one of the JLA analogues came from. I'd say killing billions of people definitely qualifies as not only an unrepentant jerk, but an irredeemable villain. Keep in mind I get this mostly from reviews and CBR discussions, so I don't actually have the comics, so if I'm wrong, I apologise  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 10:12:28 GMT -5
None of the Marvel stuff I'm reading has been affected by any events, at least to the degree that it affects my reading. I know that's not the case with Thor, anymore, but I'm hoping knowing generally what happened to Thor in Original Sin will be enough (I've yet to read Thor GoT or the first two of the new series).
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Batgirl (as of #35)
Justice League United
Marvel
Black Widow
Captain Marvel
Silver Surfer
Thor
IDW
Ragnarok
This is the smallest pull list I've ever had (other than times I was trade-waiting everything) so I'm considering adding a few more titles but nothing's really caught my eye. I was considering Elektra and Loki, but the former is getting cancelled and flipping through the latter kinda left me cold. Maybe I'll add Deathlok, since I llike Edmondson's Deathlok. I may just wait for Star Wars and see what happens with DC after Convergence. Plus, Bitch Planet is coming up.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2014 10:12:55 GMT -5
I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure that Remender had him in the back ground fighting with the good guys at the end of his big time travel story. I don't give Hickman any of my money, but last I checked, Namor is leading a counter-Illuminati(called the Cabal) that basically just destroys other planets to save their own.... perhaps Thanos is leading it and it was just Namor's idea... not too sure about that. The impetus of Namor doing so was that he destroyed an Earth, against the wished of the rest of the Illuminati... I think the one where one of the JLA analogues came from. I'd say killing billions of people definitely qualifies as not only an unrepentant jerk, but an irredeemable villain. Keep in mind I get this mostly from reviews and CBR discussions, so I don't actually have the comics, so if I'm wrong, I apologise Oh no. That is CRAZY. yeah, no, none of that was happening last I read New Avengers, but that was a LONG time ago that I stopped read it. The last issue I read was the one where he and Black Panther made up and were laughing over a glass of wine. Watch: in a couple of issues, we'll ALL find out that this either didn't happen, happened in another reality, or there was some sort of time travel that the New Avengers took part in to STOP this all from happening. Or some such. Because THAT is the stupid crap that seems to be ALWAYS what is written about nowadays in these books. The theme is getting old. At the expense of some very beloved characters.  |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 22, 2014 10:23:13 GMT -5
Namor and Black Panther making up didn't last long.. there are STILL 100+ page thread of their various fans on CBR fighting out who's right and wrong. I know at one point Namor sicced Thanos on Wakanda, and Black Panther attacked and destroyed Atlantis (though I think both have since gotten better)
It'll be this summer when things are back to status quo, I think. Most people expect Hickman to be done after this 'time runs out' story. Avengers jumped ahead 8 months, and supposedly it'll be a big event when everything catches up, which will finish Hickman's big uber story with the incursions and such.
I feel pretty confident that once he leaves very little (if any) of the events he wrote will ever be mentioned again. He'll be alot easier to ignore once he focuses on his indy crap.
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