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Post by comicscube on Jul 8, 2014 3:26:31 GMT -5
I must add, the Superman and the Legion of Super-Heroes story Geoff Johns and Gary Frank did was excellent. It has one of my fist-pumping "Aw yeah!" all-time superhero moments.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 8, 2014 5:53:56 GMT -5
Randle-El called it first: Bendis' Daredevil is outstanding. Maleev's art is in large part responsible for it; it gives the series a very indy-like quality.
Fraction and Aja's Hawkeye is a riot. The book is a lot of fun, and in many instances does things that could only be done in a comic-book. I love it.
Abnett and Lanning's Guardians of the galaxy is a flawed diamond: it was caught in the wake of too many "events" and it sort of ended before it could really say everything it had to, but while it lasted it was filled with cool ideas. And I still think that Cosmo is the coolest character crated by. Marvel in the first decade of our millenium!
The Ultimates and Ultimates 2 are amazingly good comics, even if I was fully prepared to hate them. They were the Avengers movie before there was an Avengers movie. The way Thor was handled for the greater part of the series was remarkably innovative and clever, and I regret that the ambiguity regarding his origin was settled by the end of the series. But still, it was a great run while it lasted. (And as is often the case, from that pinnacle it went straight into the crapper with the third series).
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Post by comicscube on Jul 8, 2014 6:10:31 GMT -5
Not to be a killjoy, but I honestly could never ride with the Ultimates. That may just be me though -- I was so high on the Heroes Return line, and the Ultimates came out, hit big, I realized that was the trend superhero comics was gonna go in the next few years and it coincided with me going to college and having less in the way of disposable income, and just took it as a sign to leave. I just couldn't find much in the way of heroism there. The Avengers movie took visual cues from the Ultimates, but it was, for me, at its heart, classic Marvel.
Without all the sexism. THANKS, STAN.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 8, 2014 7:43:22 GMT -5
Not to be a killjoy, but I honestly could never ride with the Ultimates. That may just be me though -- I was so high on the Heroes Return line, and the Ultimates came out, hit big, I realized that was the trend superhero comics was gonna go in the next few years and it coincided with me going to college and having less in the way of disposable income, and just took it as a sign to leave. I just couldn't find much in the way of heroism there. The Avengers movie took visual cues from the Ultimates, but it was, for me, at its heart, classic Marvel. Without all the sexism. THANKS, STAN. To each their own, to be sure, and the first echoes I heard of the Ultimates (and the Ultimate line in general) was clearly not to my taste either: Hank Pym being a serious spouse abuser, Nick Fury being modelled after a Hollywood actor, the team being very violent in an action-movie way rather than a comic-booky way... it all seemed to scream "this comic wants to be kewwwwwwl!" (And having read "Ultimate X-men #1 before, which I thoroughly loathed, I really didn't have high hopes). But it surprised me. The characters that seemed so one-dimensional at first showed unsuspected depth. The writer's political point was much more maturely presented than I thought it would be: I expected something close to an anti-American (or at least anti-republican) rant, but what I got was a pretty fair view of what the world is really like, warts and all (but with super beings in it). Tony Stark the highly eccentric, boylike genius that we all like nowadays? That's from the Ultimates, not from the real Marvel Universe (where Tony was usually much more responsible and dignified before the 2000s, and was more of a clever engineer than a party-loving Da Vinci. He did invent neat machines but no way would he have been presented as smarter than Reed Richards, as has been the case since). The great fun with the Ultimates, also, was that it was treated as an Avengers movie, the kind of thing that is not supposed to last for decades but where the story can actually find a resolution. So the comic gave us things that couldn't be done in the real Avengers book: real betrayals, real deaths, real political upheaval. (I mean, someone could certainly write a world war III story in the regular Avengers book, but because the status quo has to be brought back at the end we know the repercussions won't be permanent). In the Ultimates, big bad things felt more real... not because we haven't seen New York be invaded by hostile forces before, but because there was a feeling that there was no editorial need for everything to go back to normal by the end. And no matter how good the action is, how cruel the betrayals, how gorgeous the art, nothing can be as important as who the characters are and what they do. Ultimate Hawkeye, ripping off a page from Bullseye's book, was as badass as they come (even with his cute little glasses). Thor being either an Asgardian god (as he says) or an escaped mental patient who stole some secret technology (as his brother says) was a fascinating puzzle, especially since he kept seeing things that no one else could see. The small moments between Bruce Banner and Betty Ross; the unlikely friendship between "save the whales" Thor and capitalist mogul Tony Stark; young Cap and old Bucky; Tony and Jarvis the obnoxious butler; were all touching or amusing...especially since every card was played pretty quickly, little being saved for later. Anyhoo. I'm not saying everybody should like this series, but it did manage to change this reader's initially bad opinion (and that's something very few franchises can claim to have done).
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Post by comicscube on Jul 8, 2014 10:52:30 GMT -5
Perils of a serial, I think. If you're following it chapter by chapter, episode by episode, it's easy to drop it early, before it picks up. Maybe it'd've picked up for me later on, but I didn't stick around, you know? Wasn't gonna keep spending money on something I wasn't enjoying.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 8, 2014 12:32:32 GMT -5
Perils of a serial, I think. If you're following it chapter by chapter, episode by episode, it's easy to drop it early, before it picks up. Maybe it'd've picked up for me later on, but I didn't stick around, you know? Wasn't gonna keep spending money on something I wasn't enjoying. That's certainly a wise attitude! I wish I'd had it in the late 80s when I kept following many bad series out of a sense of misplaced loyalty.
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Post by bashbash99 on Jul 8, 2014 13:30:41 GMT -5
My question is simple...what newer runs are the best to pick up and read? Specifically for characters like Batman, Spider-Man, Iron Man, Cap and hey even Fantastic Four. Is Morrison's Batman stuff really that great? (the few issues I have were so so) Is Simone's Secret Six stuff worth grabbing? What is the best from Spider-Man in the past 15 years or so? Batman - I enjoyed Morrison's run Spiderman - haven't read much of Slott but what about Ultimate Spiderman? The issues are pretty decompressed (its BENDIS, after all) but I enjoyed the arcs that I read. Iron Man - agree with others that Fractions run is OK but ultimately skippable (is that a word?). I would recommend the Extremis limited series by Warren Ellis and Adi Granov (6 issue limited series) Captain America - I enjoyed the bulk of Brubaker's run. Skipped the last few arcs (after Steve re-assumes the mantle) but may get around to them eventually. I also enjoyed at least the Brubaker portion of the Winter Soldier solo title. Finally, enjoyed some Cullen Bunn & Francesco Francavilla collaborations such as Captain America & Black Widow, Captain America & Hawkeye (didn't try the one with cap & iron man tho)... although mostly because of Francavilla's art. I would even recommend Remender's run, altho the 1st storyline is a pretty big departure from the usual Cap comic. Remender's run remains controversial, even up to the latest issue (22). Fantastic Four - I enjoyed Hickman's run (along with his work on FF) although it seemed fairly slow-paced at times. The Waid & Wieringo run was also pretty solid IMO. Secret Six - I enjoyed Gail's work (and if you are interested you probably would want the Villains United limited series). Most of my enjoyment stemmed from the character interactions (particularly between Catman, Deadshot, and Ragdoll) rather than the plot. Other suggestions (some of which have already been mentioned by others) Gotham Central by Rucka/Brubaker, also Catwoman by Brubaker (which includes some Slam Bradley action!) Annihilation by Abnett & Lanning; also the follow-up Annihilation Conquest to an extent (skip Annihilators though!). The Guardians of the Galaxy series and Nova were also enjoyable under Abnett & Lanning (haven't tried Bendis or Loeb) Planet Hulk & World War Hulk by Greg Pak (if you are into Hulk) Incredible Herc by Pak & Fred Van Lente; this one was a fun romp even tho Amadeus Cho can be annoying Immortal Iron Fist by Brubaker & Fraction; a short but great run that really expands the Iron Fist mythos (IMO) Daredevil by Bendis & Maleev, followed by Brubaker & (Lark?); didn't care as much for Andy Diggle's run but Waid's recent work is enjoyable as well. All-Star Superman limited series X-Men by Morrison and Quitely (altho few issues have ugly fill-in art), Astonishing X-Men by Whedon & Cassaday Black Panther under Christopher Priest
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Post by DubipR on Jul 8, 2014 13:51:38 GMT -5
Without trying to repeat, but I'm most likely:
Love Rockets New Stories (Los Bros Hernandez) Gotham Central (Rucka/Brubaker/Lark) All-Star Superman (Morrison/Quietly) Captain America (Brubaker/Epting) Daredevil (Bendis/Brubaker/Maleev/Lark) Daredevil (Waid/Rivera/Martin/Samnee) Iron Fist (Fraction/Aja) Hawkeye (Faction/Aja) Planetary (Ellis/Cassaday) Promethea (Moore/Williams III) Punisher: Welcome Back Frank (Ennis/Dillon) The Goon (Powell) Fantastic Four (Waid/Wieringo) New X-Men (Morrison, et al) Iron Man (Ellis/Granov) Iron Man (Fraction/Larocca) Girl Genius (Foglio) Criminal (Brubaker/Phillips)
I could list single issues, OGNs, minis, but this is runs, so I'm guessing 6 to 12 at length and more....
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Post by Dizzy D on Jul 8, 2014 14:11:33 GMT -5
Runs I remember very fondly: Mark Waid's Daredevil. Gail Simone's Secret Six. Pak & van Lente's Incredible Hercules/Herc. Abnett & Lanning's Guardians of the Galaxy (as well as the event series around them: Annihilation, War of Kings etc.) Hawkeye by Fraction. Lapinot by Trondheim Conan by Kurt Busiek. Astro City by Busiek. ^ Those pretty much. Adding a few favourites of my own: - Superior Foes of Spider-Man (kinda fell out of Spider-Man around the time of Maximum Carnage, but I really enjoy this title so far.) - Empowered by Adam Warren (I love everything Adam Warren). - Texas Cowboys by Trondheim - Journey into Mystery by Kieron Gillen
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Post by thebeastofyuccaflats on Jul 8, 2014 15:12:33 GMT -5
Punisher MAX by Garth Ennis Secret Six by Gail Simone Catwoman by Ed Brubaker (lessens in the last year, though) New X-Men/All-Star Superman/Batman by Grant Morrison Detective Comics by Greg Rucka (also a shorter one by Brubaker in #777-786) Hawkeye by Fraction/Aja Conan by Kurt Busiek WildC.A.T.s by Joe Casey Moon Knight by Warren Ellis & Declan Shalvey
The best Spidey I've read in this time frame is Ennis & John McCrea's "The Thousand," from the aforementioned Tangled Web.
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Post by comicscube on Jul 9, 2014 1:27:59 GMT -5
Perils of a serial, I think. If you're following it chapter by chapter, episode by episode, it's easy to drop it early, before it picks up. Maybe it'd've picked up for me later on, but I didn't stick around, you know? Wasn't gonna keep spending money on something I wasn't enjoying. That's certainly a wise attitude! I wish I'd had it in the late 80s when I kept following many bad series out of a sense of misplaced loyalty. Yes! I grew up collecting comics in the 90s. Probably the best era for learning that lesson. (Yes, I have every issue of Guardians of the Galaxy in the 90s. I think I enjoyed the first 30.)
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Post by the4thpip on Jul 9, 2014 1:47:33 GMT -5
That's certainly a wise attitude! I wish I'd had it in the late 80s when I kept following many bad series out of a sense of misplaced loyalty. Yes! I grew up collecting comics in the 90s. Probably the best era for learning that lesson. (Yes, I have every issue of Guardians of the Galaxy in the 90s. I think I enjoyed the first 30.) That series had a certain "anything can happen" vibe. I enjoyed them back then, but I'd hesitate to re-read the series and destroy the memory.
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Post by Crimebuster on Jul 9, 2014 1:50:52 GMT -5
Yes! I grew up collecting comics in the 90s. Probably the best era for learning that lesson. (Yes, I have every issue of Guardians of the Galaxy in the 90s. I think I enjoyed the first 30.) That series had a certain "anything can happen" vibe. I enjoyed them back then, but I'd hesitate to re-read the series and destroy the memory. I bought that series for quite a while as well, but I would never try to read it now. I just cannot abide Jim Valentino art. If I read that series now, I would have to then find a time machine so I could go back and punch my younger self in the face for buying this stuff.
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Post by the4thpip on Jul 9, 2014 1:54:15 GMT -5
That series had a certain "anything can happen" vibe. I enjoyed them back then, but I'd hesitate to re-read the series and destroy the memory. I bought that series for quite a while as well, but I would never try to read it now. I just cannot abide Jim Valentino art. If I read that series now, I would have to then find a time machine so I could go back and punch my younger self in the face for buying this stuff. I remember liking the art better when Kevin West took over, but his stuff was quite generic. Might have been the inker, too, as the fill-in issues by Dale Eaglesham looked little like his other work and a lot like Kevin West's.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2014 2:01:19 GMT -5
Steve Montano was responsible for a lot of the art on that book. Valentino did little more than layouts while being credited as penciller. An acquaintance of mine was pals with Montano and I saw snapshots of what Valenino's "pencilled" pages looked like when Montano would get them. Backgrounds were pretty much non-existent, there was a little detail in faces and torsos but limbs were mostly lines or curves indicating where they should go. Montano pretty much had to do the rest as part of the inking on the book. I think Montano stayed on the book when Valentino left for Image, so he may have had a strong impact on how KEvin West's pencils looked early on since he was used to doing so much of the art himself.
-M
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