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Post by coke & comics on Apr 30, 2015 14:15:22 GMT -5
I have a couple threads I've been neglectful of, and intend to return to when I have the time to commit to them regularly. Usagi Yojimbo just wrapped up the Mirage series, so seems a good time to breathe in that thread. For a moment, I would like something simpler, with no pressure to get anywhere.
So let's read some of the new series Marvel put out in the early '90s. I am inspired by my old Marvel trading cards with the rookies on them. The new Ghost Rider, Deathlok, etc. I will review many but not all new series of the time, reviewing each one from the first issue until I get bored. The reviews will be pretty informal, without much structure to them. Others are encouraged to read along or chime in.
I intend for Ghost Rider to be the centerpiece of the thread, as I feel like most of them followed in the trail he, quite literally, blazed.
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Post by coke & comics on Apr 30, 2015 14:19:37 GMT -5
Ghost Rider #1 (May, 1990) By Howard Mackie, Javier Saltares and Mark Texeira Welcome to 1990. Marvel recently found people were buying books for the art, not the writing. So they let all their writers go and just had editors write the books. Howard Mackie is infamous in my mind for an extended run of terrible Spider-Man comics, for which I will likely never forgive him. His Ghost Rider, on the other hand, is pretty decent. Maybe the dialogue could be cleaned up here or there. I realize it's important to his origin that he has blood on him when he finds the motorcycle, but how many times does he need to say that aloud to remind us? Saltares is a capable artist, but it's really Texeira's dominating inks that define the look and feel of the issue. And that look is dark. Lots of shadows. Which fits with the fairly dark and violent script, which is what makes the comic so '90s. It does have the Comics Code on the cover, but it is not clear that means much of anything, Generally speaking, Ghost Rider is pretty cool-looking, from the splash page where he appears, through the end. The classic look has been updated well. The fire comes off well, contrasted against the dark backgrounds. This is an interesting moment in Marvel's history, when it was again trying to come out with new concepts. The fact that most of its new concepts are just revamps of existing concepts is because none of these creators are quite Kirby or Ditko. But it was a time for experimentation and innovation. The story is this. Wimpy Dan Ketch and his bad-ass sister Barb are in a cemetery at night when they stumble across some kind of gang war, between some of Kingpin's men, and some red ninjas who are presumably the Hand. The ninjas are led by Deathwatch. Deathwatch can see your memories by touch, and takes pleasure in watching people die. Deathwatch is one of many characters from the era whose name can be formed from a game. Take a word like "death", "dead", "night" or "blood", and append another word. This gives you Bloodshot, Youngblood, Deadpool, Bloodwulf, Deathcry, Nightwatch, Night Thrasher, etc. etc. etc. Interestingly, Deathcry has repented her warrior ways and now goes by Lifecry. Anyways, Barb gets shot, Dan gets blood on him, touches a mystical motorcycle and becomes Ghost Rider, Spirit of Vengeance! What if any connection he has to Johnny Blaze is not yet clear, and will be explored later in the series. He raves about the innocent a lot, uses his "penance stare" to make people feel guilty, gets in a car chase with the police, and reverts to human after disembarking his flaming motorcycle. Dan's mom seems to be alive for the moment. We already mentioned his sister, but later meet his mom. And a lady who is perhaps his girlfriend. And her father, a police captain. There's also something about a suitcase that both Kingpin and Deathwatch want. Whatever.
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Post by Hoosier X on Apr 30, 2015 15:20:07 GMT -5
Ghost Rider #1 (May, 1990) By Howard Mackie, Javier Saltares and Mark Texeira Welcome to 1990. Marvel recently found people were buying books for the art, not the writing. So they let all their writers go and just had editors write the books. hee hee
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Post by fanboystranger on May 1, 2015 0:16:14 GMT -5
To be fair, it was mostly assistant editors that wrote the bulk of Marvel's lower tier titles in the early '90s. So much so that DC started a policy that editors (assitant or otherwise) could no longer write books, which is why Mark Waid, Priest, Tom Peyer, and Brian Augustyn ended up going freelance.
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Post by SJNeal on May 1, 2015 10:59:38 GMT -5
To be fair, it was mostly assistant editors that wrote the bulk of Marvel's lower tier titles in the early '90s. So much so that DC started a policy that editors (assitant or otherwise) could no longer write books, which is why Mark Waid, Priest, Tom Peyer, and Brian Augustyn ended up going freelance. DC's editors-turned-writers had much better results than Marvel's, IMHO. The exception maybe being Augustyn; I loved the family of books he edited, but the ones he wrote ( Black Condor, Firebrand...) didn't do much for me...
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Post by fanboystranger on May 1, 2015 11:14:36 GMT -5
To be fair, it was mostly assistant editors that wrote the bulk of Marvel's lower tier titles in the early '90s. So much so that DC started a policy that editors (assitant or otherwise) could no longer write books, which is why Mark Waid, Priest, Tom Peyer, and Brian Augustyn ended up going freelance. DC's editors-turned-writers had much better results than Marvel's, IMHO. The exception maybe being Augustyn; I loved the family of books he edited, but the ones he wrote ( Black Condor, Firebrand...) didn't do much for me... I'm not that keen on Augustyn, either, but I'd take him above pretty much all of Marvel's assistant editor writers from the '90s. (The exception, I guess, would be Len Kaminski, but technically, he was working as a proofreader.)
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Post by SJNeal on May 1, 2015 11:39:17 GMT -5
DC's editors-turned-writers had much better results than Marvel's, IMHO. The exception maybe being Augustyn; I loved the family of books he edited, but the ones he wrote ( Black Condor, Firebrand...) didn't do much for me... I'm not that keen on Augustyn, either, but I'd take him above pretty much all of Marvel's assistant editor writers from the '90s. (The exception, I guess, would be Len Kaminski, but technically, he was working as a proofreader.) True. This thread has me reflecting on all the squandered potential of the Midnight Sons line (with a couple exceptions)...
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Post by coke & comics on May 1, 2015 13:11:07 GMT -5
I'm going to skip over a few #1 comics of the era. A new Namor series by John Byrne appeared the month before Ghost Rider, but it doesn't quite fit in with what I'm going for here, and I really wanted to begin with Ghost Rider. The month following Ghost Rider saw the debut of a Black Knight miniseries. We'll skip this as well. In part because I had a Black Knight thread on the old forum I hope to one day resurrect.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 13:15:15 GMT -5
Crotch Rocket Ghost Rider did look cool
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Post by coke & comics on May 1, 2015 13:34:04 GMT -5
Guardians of the Galaxy #1 (June, 1990) by Jim Valentino and Steve Montano I'm only going to review this one issue for the thread, I think. I almost skipped it, but it fit in too well, as Jim Valentino was also part of the Image migration, going on to creatre Shadowhawk. In some part, this thread is a look at the prehistory of Image, which went from somewhat ignoble beginnings to perhaps the best comic publisher today, putting out books on par with the heyday of Vertigo. Jim Valentino is not a man whose work I know well, so I appreciate insights by the readers. He takes on both the writing and art duties here. When the assistant editors aren't writing the books, the artists are. The issue opens with an unmotivated action sequence and heavy narration to introduce the characters, typical of many stories of the era. We will later learn they are on a quest for the legendary shield of Captain America. We learn the team consists of Starhawk/Aleta, Nikki, Charlie-27, Martinex, Yondu, and Major Vance Astro. All classic team members. They fight a villain called Taserface. That... is apparently not an ironic name. Y'see, he blasts a taser from this face. "There is reason why I cam called Taserface!" he boasts. ... The story of the issue isn't much (though I like the basic premise of the quest for the shield) but Valentino seems to be on the better side of the early Image artists. His style is of the time, round boobs and heavy cleavage for the ladies, muscles lines and other detail lines for the men. I'm a big fan of the recent Guardians of the Galaxy film, so I did enjoy seeing Yondu whistle to control his arrow in the issue. The issue ends with them confronting the Stark. Taserface had weapons resembling Iron Man's, and we see he is part of a gang of aliens with armor resembling a whole host of 20th century armored heroes and villains. It will be a recurring theme of this series, the references to the 20th century Marvel universe.
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Post by coke & comics on May 1, 2015 13:34:44 GMT -5
Ghost Rider #2 (June, 1990) by Howard Mackie, Javier Saltares, and Mark Texeira This issue establishes firmly what was only hinted at last issue, that Ghost Rider uses lethal force. Here, he punches a man's face in, blood splatters, and dialogue confirms Craig is dead. We also see him drive up the side of a building, which is pretty rad. But then he hangs the man over the building, to get information. This takes away some from the impression created last issue, of a primal force with a drive to avenge the innocent. Pumping a guy for information-- "What is it about these canisters that makes them so valuable"-- is hardly very demonic. With a single scene, Mackie turns what could have been an interesting concept into just another overly grim superhero story. He should have left the detective work to Batman, and focused more on the vengeance. The quality of the story is questionable at best, but this suitcase with its canisters driving the plot is pretty worthless. This issue introduces Blackout, a villain I have a fondness for, who I was glad to see appear in the second Ghost Rider film. He has a skin condition that makes him sensitive to light and the power to turn off any lights in the vicinity (from electric lights to matches). A perfect villain for this dark world. Blackout is working for Deathwatch, and for some reason feels no pain when Deathwatch probes his memories. Here, Deathwatch does so because he loves death so much and want to see Blackout killing people. Dan's girlfriend is named Stacy. If they said it last issue, I missed it. I can't decipher what happens on the last page. Panel 1. Ghost Rider tossed by Blackout into a wall. Panel 2. Blackout about to kill a child. Panel 3. Ghost Rider confronts him and suggests he not. Panel 4. Blackout decides to retreat. Panel 5. The kid says Blackout is getting away and tells Ghost Rider to get him. Ghost Rider says, "No. He is gone." Panel 6. "Next time" says Ghost Rider. Really, you were 5 feet from the guy, and have a really fast flaming motorcycle. No hope of pursuit there? "Ghost Rider is not a man, nor is he capable of experiencing fear." "But often in the darkest night there exists a light which cannot be extinguished."
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2015 14:22:11 GMT -5
Guardians of the Galaxy #1 (June, 1990) by Jim Valentino and Steve Montano I'm only going to review this one issue for the thread, I think. I almost skipped it, but it fit in too well, as Jim Valentino was also part of the Image migration, going on to creatre Shadowhawk. In some part, this thread is a look at the prehistory of Image, which went from somewhat ignoble beginnings to perhaps the best comic publisher today, putting out books on par with the heyday of Vertigo. Jim Valentino is not a man whose work I know well, so I appreciate insights by the readers. He takes on both the writing and art duties here. When the assistant editors aren't writing the books, the artists are. The issue opens with an unmotivated action sequence and heavy narration to introduce the characters, typical of many stories of the era. We will later learn they are on a quest for the legendary shield of Captain America. We learn the team consists of Starhawk/Aleta, Nikki, Charlie-27, Martinex, Yondu, and Major Vance Astro. All classic team members. They fight a villain called Taserface. That... is apparently not an ironic name. Y'see, he blasts a taser from this face. "There is reason why I cam called Taserface!" he boasts. ... The story of the issue isn't much (though I like the basic premise of the quest for the shield) but Valentino seems to be on the better side of the early Image artists. His style is of the time, round boobs and heavy cleavage for the ladies, muscles lines and other detail lines for the men. I'm a big fan of the recent Guardians of the Galaxy film, so I did enjoy seeing Yondu whistle to control his arrow in the issue. The issue ends with them confronting the Stark. Taserface had weapons resembling Iron Man's, and we see he is part of a gang of aliens with armor resembling a whole host of 20th century armored heroes and villains. It will be a recurring theme of this series, the references to the 20th century Marvel universe. Don't give Valentino much credit for the art. The LCS owner of the shop I frequented at the time was a friend of Steve Montano's. He showed me a couple of snapshots of what Valentino's "pencils" looked like. Calling them layouts would be generous. Whereas Liefeld drew people so hands and feet were hidden or off panel, Valentino would leave such things for the inker to do, as well as arms, legs, facial details, musculature, backgrounds...the finished page was usually 80-90% Montano's work, which is why when Valentino left and West took over, but Montano stayed as inker there was a lot of continuity in the look of the book, it was still mostly Montano's work, just not the page breakdowns/panel layouts. -M
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Post by hondobrode on May 1, 2015 22:16:24 GMT -5
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Post by coke & comics on May 1, 2015 23:15:32 GMT -5
New Warriors #1 (July, 1990) by Fabian Nicieza, Mark Bagley, and Al Williamson The New Warriors were introduced in Thor #411-412. I thought about reviewing those issues, but they were cover-dated December 1989 and this is a thread about the '90s. Tom Defalco and Ron Frenz are credited with the New Warriors concept. This issue is set before those issues, though it was released 6 months later. Of the editor-writers of the era, Fabian Nicieza is the one I have a soft spot for, perhaps because of the age I read his work. But I was glad, for example, that it was he to succeed Busiek on Thunderbolts. While Kurt is the more skilled writer, Nicieza seems to share his encyclopedic knowledge of the Marvel Universe, and more importantly, seems to share his passion and enthusiams for the characters, particularly many of the lesser-known ones, and that enthusiasm leaks onto the page. Additionally, he has a sense of soap opera and of melodrama that appeals to me. This is refeclted in his work in New Warriors, X-Men, X-Force, etc. I tend to enjoy Fabian Nicieza comics. Mark Bagley is an artist that I actually love. He was the artist on Spider-Man when I started reading it and would forever define the look of Spider-Man to me. Some point to his odd positions, or the strange juxtaposition of very thin but also very muscular characters. But it always seemed to work. His Spider-Man seemed very fluid and graceful. His art conveyed dynamism and movement, in the tradition of John Buscema. And he knows how to arrange a page to tell a story, to make it flow. And he knows how to do this very quickly, able to put out several books a month. But when he is able to take his time, and has the right inker, I think he can work wonders. Ultimate Spider-Man to me represents just how good an artist Mark Bagley can be. This is a long way from that. 9 years before Ultimate Spider-Man, Mark Bagley is a promising young talent still learning the ropes. The eyes and faces are already trademark Bagley, but he is still developing his preferred sense of body proportions and how much detail to include. While Al Williamson is a great inker, I am not sure they are well paired. He will do better with Randy Emberlin, and even better with Art Thibert. Night Thrasher is a character I listed in the same vein as Death Watch, whose name was formed by combining two nouns, one from a very short list of "dark" words: night, death, blood... Choosing the second one is a bit of an art. "Night Thrasher" works better than "Night Pillow", but you get the hang of it soon enough. In concept, Night Thrasher seems to be Batman. Or perhaps, Batman but black. As still have a shortage of minority superheroes, I guess that is a strong enough concept. This series mostly collects classic heroes, but introduces Night Thrasher. And his mentors, Chord and Tai. Mostly this is a forming-of-the-team issue. We see Night Thrasher gathering his recruits, some by design and some by chance: Nova, Marvel Boy, Firestar, Namorita, and Speedball. They battle Terrax then decide to be a team. The scene where Captain America rejects Marvel Boy for Avengers membership is something of a classic, in that it gets referenced several times. Captain America will later apologize for it when a similar situation comes up with Rage. And it seemed to motivate Kurt Busiek's take on Justice in his run on Avengers. And we would see echos of this scene, perhaps unintentionally, in Captain America's interaction with the Young Avengers. The truth is, I recall this series quite fondly and enjoyed this first issue. I wonder how much I will appreciate subsequent issues. It has been many, many years since I have read them.
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Post by The Captain on May 2, 2015 8:40:45 GMT -5
Love this thread! After only dabbling in comics throughout the '80s (I was more into sports cards for most of the decade), I turned my attention to comics seriously around Amazing Spider-Man #330, which came out in February 1990, so the books you're spotlighting in this thread are from when I began to develop my love for the hobby.
As for the books you've reviewed thus far, the only one I've ever owned is New Warriors #1, and that was because I was able to pick it up out of a $1 box at a show a few years ago. I was never into the "new" Ghost Rider (even though I'm just short #1 & #2 of completing the Johnny Blaze Bronze Age series) and I never got into any of the cosmic Marvel titles (GotG, Silver Surfer, Warlock, etc.). Looking forward to seeing what else you spotlight, as I'm assuming you'll hit on Darkhawk, Sleepwalker, and maybe some others (Thunderstrike, Silver Sable) at some point.
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