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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2018 21:45:03 GMT -5
^^^ Well Written RR!
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Post by Duragizer on Oct 8, 2018 22:54:17 GMT -5
If I still believed in a literal Satan, I'd say Trump is him in the flesh. I see little to no redeeming qualities in the man at all.
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Post by codystarbuck on Oct 8, 2018 23:04:54 GMT -5
If I still believed in a literal Satan, I'd say Trump is him in the flesh. I see little to no redeeming qualities in the man at all. A real Satan would be far more clever than that dips#$%..... |
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Post by impulse on Oct 9, 2018 9:37:46 GMT -5
Trump has to be the most hypocritical and despicable politician the United States have ever known. By far. Something he can’t keep from demonstrating day after day, alas. There are multiple milestones along the journey from youth to the various stages of adulthood that really stand out. One of the more recent and upsetting ones for me was realizing that the idealistic story told to us when we are young that Republicans and Democrats are all working together for the good of the country but disagree on the methods is absolute unfiltered, complete and utter horse s**t. Not speaking for all individuals, but at least the elected leaders and a good number of their supports are greedy, selfish, shameless hypocrites that have no character, no shame, no integrity, and are purely self-serving. They will lie, cheat, twist, steal, and not even try to conceal anymore that they do not give a flying f*** about any of us and are actively hostile toward many of us. The current elected Republican party is flipping evil, and the number of citizens who seem to buy into their BS is depressing. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Oct 9, 2018 15:27:12 GMT -5
Trump has to be the most hypocritical and despicable politician the United States have ever known. By far. Something he can’t keep from demonstrating day after day, alas. There are multiple milestones along the journey from youth to the various stages of adulthood that really stand out. One of the more recent and upsetting ones for me was realizing that the idealistic story told to us when we are young that Republicans and Democrats are all working together for the good of the country but disagree on the methods is absolute unfiltered, complete and utter horse s**t. Not speaking for all individuals, but at least the elected leaders and a good number of their supports are greedy, selfish, shameless hypocrites that have no character, no shame, no integrity, and are purely self-serving. They will lie, cheat, twist, steal, and not even try to conceal anymore that they do not give a flying f*** about any of us and are actively hostile toward many of us. The current elected Republican party is flipping evil, and the number of citizens who seem to buy into their BS is depressing. I've looked for another answer, but I'm afraid this is the one that makes the most sense. |
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Post by beccabear67 on Oct 9, 2018 17:31:21 GMT -5
Or they've read Ayn Rand's 'The Virtues Of Selfishness' too many times and taken it for far too grand a theory than it could ever really be (and was mostly developed in reaction to Soviet communism anyway). Hers is a name a lot of neo-'conservatives' had liked to drop for quite awhile. I'm not going to blame her anymore than Friedrich Nietzsche (I might blame his sister who later 'edited'/rewrote his work though)... what is it they say about just a little information in the wrong hands?  |
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Post by impulse on Oct 10, 2018 8:38:37 GMT -5
Or they've read Ayn Rand's 'The Virtues Of Selfishness' too many times and taken it for far too grand a theory than it could ever really be (and was mostly developed in reaction to Soviet communism anyway). Hers is a name a lot of neo-'conservatives' had liked to drop for quite awhile. I'm not going to blame her anymore than Friedrich Nietzsche (I might blame his sister who later 'edited'/rewrote his work though)... what is it they say about just a little information in the wrong hands? One of the most frustrating things about it as that some of them do cite Rand as a large motivator of their philosophy, but they also loudly profess themselves to be the "Christian" party. Rand and christian values are fundamentally, demonstrably incompatible, full stop. How these people get away with claiming to be the party of christian values and the fact that so many people eat it up is mind-boggling. |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Oct 10, 2018 9:59:28 GMT -5
Or they've read Ayn Rand's 'The Virtues Of Selfishness' too many times and taken it for far too grand a theory than it could ever really be (and was mostly developed in reaction to Soviet communism anyway). Hers is a name a lot of neo-'conservatives' had liked to drop for quite awhile. I'm not going to blame her anymore than Friedrich Nietzsche (I might blame his sister who later 'edited'/rewrote his work though)... what is it they say about just a little information in the wrong hands? While I have never actually read what his sister edited, but have read about it; it seems she injected her own ideas into his, out of greed to sell his books posthumously for her own benefit. He is one of my favorite philosophers to read. And it pissed me off enough to hear that, that I probably wouldn't ever want to read what she edited. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Oct 10, 2018 11:12:36 GMT -5
Or they've read Ayn Rand's 'The Virtues Of Selfishness' too many times and taken it for far too grand a theory than it could ever really be (and was mostly developed in reaction to Soviet communism anyway). Hers is a name a lot of neo-'conservatives' had liked to drop for quite awhile. I'm not going to blame her anymore than Friedrich Nietzsche (I might blame his sister who later 'edited'/rewrote his work though)... what is it they say about just a little information in the wrong hands? One of the most frustrating things about it as that some of them do cite Rand as a large motivator of their philosophy, but they also loudly profess themselves to be the "Christian" party. Rand and christian values are fundamentally, demonstrably incompatible, full stop. How these people get away with claiming to be the party of christian values and the fact that so many people eat it up is mind-boggling. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 10, 2018 11:22:04 GMT -5
One of the most frustrating things about it as that some of them do cite Rand as a large motivator of their philosophy, but they also loudly profess themselves to be the "Christian" party. Rand and christian values are fundamentally, demonstrably incompatible, full stop. How these people get away with claiming to be the party of christian values and the fact that so many people eat it up is mind-boggling. Because it's not "Christianity" in any form that Christ would recognize it. They are adherents of the Prosperity Gospel. Essentially they worship Mammon disguised as Republican Jesus. |
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Post by impulse on Oct 10, 2018 11:36:24 GMT -5
Because it's not "Christianity" in any form that Christ would recognize it. They are adherents of the Prosperity Gospel. Essentially they worship Mammon disguised as Republican Jesus. Yeah, that is basically my point. "Christianity" indeed. What they claim as Christianity is the antithesis of everything Jesus taught. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Oct 10, 2018 14:52:45 GMT -5
In the wake of Kavanaugh, Trevor Noah has some excellent advice (top of the piece)
(warning, some NSFW language)
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Post by codystarbuck on Oct 10, 2018 15:16:55 GMT -5
Or they've read Ayn Rand's 'The Virtues Of Selfishness' too many times and taken it for far too grand a theory than it could ever really be (and was mostly developed in reaction to Soviet communism anyway). Hers is a name a lot of neo-'conservatives' had liked to drop for quite awhile. I'm not going to blame her anymore than Friedrich Nietzsche (I might blame his sister who later 'edited'/rewrote his work though)... what is it they say about just a little information in the wrong hands? I was a bookseller through the rise of Newt Gingrich and the Neo-Cons. Their playbook comes out of the teachings of Leo Strauss, at the University of Chicago, a major conservative political philosopher. Their reading list consisted of: Plato's Republic Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged and The Virtue of Selfishness (and Capitalism, The Unknown Ideal, to a lesser extent) Friedrich Hayek's The Road to Serfdom The Federalist Papers De Tocqueville's Democracy in America Andrew Toeffler's Creating a New Civilization (he was gaga over Toeffler) Peter Drucker's The Effective Executive Might be missing some there. Later, that was supplemented by Schweigart's A Patriot's History of the United States (a deliberate response to Howard Zinn's People's History of the United States) Thomas Paine's Common Sense Skousen's The 5000 Year Leap Paine was specific to the revolution and the Neo-Cons conveniently ignore his greater writing, the Rights of Man. The other two are ultra-conservative reimaginings and interpretations of history and the myth of American exceptionalism (especially the divine connection). Quite frankly, it all boils down to get yours and screw everyone else and fight tooth and nail to maintain privileged status. Especially if you are a rich white male. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Oct 10, 2018 16:25:13 GMT -5
Because it's not "Christianity" in any form that Christ would recognize it. They are adherents of the Prosperity Gospel. Essentially they worship Mammon disguised as Republican Jesus. Prince Hal screwed up using his wife's phone. What he was going to say was that Paul Ryan, who lusts for the end of any kind of government aid for anyone who isn't exactly like him, is Exhibit A for the bizarre Ayn Rand-Christianity mash-up. |
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Post by beccabear67 on Oct 11, 2018 13:15:08 GMT -5
A little Ayn Rand can be good but a lot is poisonous, but you can say that for so many things. "All things in moderation" is something I grew up with, in diet, in reading matter, in music, and in using the internet (well, have had to learn that one over time). I suppose according to absolutists I would be condemned by the bible's being lukewarm saying, like running hot or cold totally is the greatest thing... either be absolute good or evil... I can't relate to that, but then to me the Bible is a collection of writings from disparate times and cultures and then translated and even re-translated. Moderation, balance, compromise, regulation... all bad words these days, but then they made liberal into almost a swear word on some U.S. talk radio! Wanting to live in a society of everyone being like-minded and the same sounds like a living death to me. On one extreme the religion-banning communist states with a unisex worker as the supposed ideal, and on the other a chanting on your knees sanctimonious altruistic ideal is imagined to be the highest form of being. Meh. People could do worse than to read more Kurt Vonnegut, I can say that much.  |
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