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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2018 8:57:06 GMT -5
The American fascination with Ayn Rand has long bemused me. Pretty much everywhere else in the world, she's regarded as a minimally talented author and a political nutjob, but she seems to have struck a chord with a significant chunk of Americans, presumably because her parade of cardboard objectivist heroes plays into the mythic self-made person, independent of society, which so many Americans seem to venerate.
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Post by beccabear67 on Oct 12, 2018 13:36:01 GMT -5
Well, a stereotype myth can still have some truth to it; look at all the advances and creativity to come from America, and opportunity at it's best (which of course it won't be all the time). To much the individual or too little, neither is optimal.
The kind of person Rand could do some good for might be someone creative with low self-worth, but she was writing in reaction to a state that becomes a monstrous crushing thing when it's really also something invented by man, as money is an invention of ours too!
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 12, 2018 16:35:18 GMT -5
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Post by beccabear67 on Oct 13, 2018 12:23:32 GMT -5
Ha! I bet that cartoon Ayn Rand comes with 'Kung-Fu Grip' action. tm (c) pat pend.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Oct 23, 2018 17:05:16 GMT -5
President Trump announces he's a proud nationalist at a rally...and the crowd cheers.
I've always found the nature of his rallies troubling but now it's on an entirely different level and I don't think I need to paint you a picture of where it feels like these rallies are going next.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 23, 2018 17:12:05 GMT -5
President Trump announces he's a proud nationalist at a rally...and the crowd cheers. I've always found the nature of his rallies troubling but now it's on an entirely different level and I don't think I need to paint you a picture of where it feels like these rallies are going next. Well, you know, there were fine people at such old rallies.
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Post by Warmonger on Oct 23, 2018 19:32:23 GMT -5
The man who has preached “Make America Great Again” since the start of his campaign identifies as a “nationalist” and doesn’t want to allow upwards of 10,000 illegals to flood into the country en masse...
Color me shocked ladies and gents....color me shocked...
7,000+ illegals approaching the border with seemingly no regard for the USA’s immigration laws...and that’s the ultimate response...
November 6th is going to be comedy gold, gents.
See you there...it’s gonna be a hootenanny.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Oct 23, 2018 19:37:56 GMT -5
The man who has preached “Make America Great Again” since the start of his campaign identifies as a “nationalist” and doesn’t want to allow upwards of 10,000 illegals to flood into the country en masse... Color me shocked ladies and gents....color me shocked... 7,000+ illegals approaching the border with seemingly no regard for the USA’s immigration laws...and that’s the ultimate response... November 6th is going to be comedy gold, gents. See you there...it’s gonna be a hootenanny. There is an incredibly large difference between being proud of your country and identifying as a nationalist...and the President knows it and I suspect you do as well.
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Post by Warmonger on Oct 23, 2018 19:44:39 GMT -5
The man who has preached “Make America Great Again” since the start of his campaign identifies as a “nationalist” and doesn’t want to allow upwards of 10,000 illegals to flood into the country en masse... Color me shocked ladies and gents....color me shocked... 7,000+ illegals approaching the border with seemingly no regard for the USA’s immigration laws...and that’s the ultimate response... November 6th is going to be comedy gold, gents. See you there...it’s gonna be a hootenanny. There is an incredibly large difference between being proud of your country and identifying as a nationalist...and the President knows it and I suspect you do as well. What is a “nationalist” exactly? Someone who puts their own country above all else? I would hope that the President of the US has that mindset, with all due respect. Trump certainly has his faults, I don’t even know who besides the most goofy of right wingers would say otherwise. But if you think that this constant hysteria over literally every last thing he says is doing the left any favors... Well, more power to ya.
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Post by beccabear67 on Oct 23, 2018 19:48:46 GMT -5
President Trump announces he's a proud nationalist at a rally...and the crowd cheers. I've always found the nature of his rallies troubling but now it's on an entirely different level and I don't think I need to paint you a picture of where it feels like these rallies are going next. It's scary how unsubtle so much of Trump's whole approach is and that it keeps working on some people. Of course a big chink of it is made-up what he thinks this crowd in front of him wants to buy (and yet his promises not kept keep piling up, especially releasing his tax info), typical chameleon con man that and why states most familiar with him knew not to vote for him. What is real is his long-standing and provable racism. What clinched it for anyone who pays attention were those phony blacks are violent stats he re-tweeted three years or more ago... there is no motivation but sheer fear and hatred to put out bogus stats to incite hate against a group, plus they came from an alt-right website to top it all off. But people think a racist is some kind of one-note caricature so you can even find a few Black people and Hispanics 'for' him that know in their hearts he "can't be" a racist (and women who know nobody "loves" women more than him). The divide and conquer keeps working and he will keep targeting and keep selling the fear which comes at root from probably actually hating democracy and thinking patriots are fools with poor genes (remember the many deferments from service he got). They love to see those wrong lefties lose so much they will cut off their own noses and destroy their own, once conservative, party. God help the U.S. right now what with the redistricting and voter ID tricks being played on top of all the internet and other divisive junk out there! Democracy is looking very thread-bare these days and the pay-off will only be for the extreme top class and their offspring who don't even know real working people often (strong meetings and golf dates are their idea of work). Nobody is fooled so well as someone wanting to buy into and believe the con at all costs, and they dig in deeper the further the rallies and the rhetoric go on.
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Post by Warmonger on Oct 23, 2018 19:55:57 GMT -5
President Trump announces he's a proud nationalist at a rally...and the crowd cheers. I've always found the nature of his rallies troubling but now it's on an entirely different level and I don't think I need to paint you a picture of where it feels like these rallies are going next. It's scary how unsubtle so much of Trump's whole approach is and that it keeps working on some people. Of course a big chink of it is made-up what he thinks this crowd in front of him wants to buy (and yet his promises not kept keep piling up, especially releasing his tax info), typical chameleon con man that and why states most familiar with him knew not to vote for him. What is real is his long-standing and provable racism. What clinched it for anyone who pays attention were those phony blacks are violent stats he re-tweeted three years or more ago... there is no motivation but sheer fear and hatred to put out bogus stats to incite hate against a group, plus they came from an alt-right website to top it all off. But people think a racist is some kind of one-note caricature so you can even find a few Black people and Hispanics 'for' him that know in their hearts he "can't be" a racist (and women who know nobody "loves" women more than him). The divide and conquer keeps working and he will keep targeting and keep selling the fear which comes at root from probably actually hating democracy and thinking patriots are fools with poor genes (remember the many deferments from service he got). They love to see those wrong lefties lose so much they will cut off their own noses and destroy their own, once conservative, party. God help the U.S. right now what with the redistricting and voter ID tricks being played on top of all the internet and other divisive junk out there! Democracy is looking very thread-bare these days and the pay-off will only be for the extreme top class and their offspring who don't even know real working people often (strong meetings and golf dates are their idea of work). Nobody is fooled so well as someone wanting to buy into and believe the con at all costs, and they dig in deeper the further the rallies and the rhetoric go on. Huh? I have to show two forms of ID every time I go to the DMV to get my license renewed. I have to show an ID every time I buy a 6 pack of beer. I have to show a valid ID every time I go to the bank to withdraw money from my account. What is so crazy about having to show a valid ID to vote for the leader of the free world? This isn’t even a smart ass question, it just doesn’t compute with me.
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Post by beccabear67 on Oct 23, 2018 20:06:08 GMT -5
They are using voter ID rule changes and added regulation (the people who usually brand every regulation as job killing) to disenfranchise Native Americans, out of state students, and the poor. If there is a typo, or even a comma changed on some newly acquired as demanded ID, the vote becomes a provisional vote only counted in a close situation in one state. People in poor counties wait in line for hours regularly and have polling stations closed where they should be increased based on numbers, get calls telling them of false polling station location changes based on their party registration on the rolls, there was even one guy recorded bragging how the changes in ID requirements were going to hand his state to the Republicans. All that kind of stuff should be considered un-American. Also anti-Democratic. They use stories of fraud that had barely been shown to exist anywhere to justify adding the amount of ID and kinds, sometimes very close to an election date, knowing poorer working people can't afford a lot of time off on top of the processing fees. The Voter Rights Act was said to no longer be needed, and practically from that point on there have been hundreds of illustrations that they were very much needed to be kept after all. Sometimes hard to find this real news among all the celebrity junk and talking head pundits though.
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Post by Warmonger on Oct 23, 2018 20:17:25 GMT -5
They are using voter ID rule changes and added regulation (the people who usually brand every regulation as job killing) to disenfranchise Native Americans, out of state students, and the poor. If there is a typo, or even a comma changed on some newly acquired as demanded ID, the vote becomes a provisional vote only counted in a close situation in one state. People in poor counties wait in line for hours regularly and have polling stations closed where they should be increased based on numbers, get calls telling them of false polling station location changes based on their party registration on the rolls, there was even one guy recorded bragging how the changes in ID requirements were going to hand his state to the Republicans. All that kind of stuff should be considered un-American. Also anti-Democratic. They use stories of fraud that had barely been shown to exist anywhere to justify adding the amount of ID and kinds, sometimes very close to an election date, knowing poorer working people can't afford a lot of time off on top of the processing fees. The Voter Rights Act was said to no longer be needed, and practically from that point on there have been hundreds of illustrations that they were very much needed to be kept after all. Sometimes hard to find this real news among all the celebrity junk and talking head pundits though. Disenfranchise Native Americans? Where’s the outcry over Elizabeth Warren from the left? Ya know, the woman who has repeatedly exploited Natives to advance her own career? The woman who claims to be native (despite the Cherokee and Sioux tribes calling her bluff repeatedly) over her false heritage? And then she tries seeking $1 million from Trump for being as little as 1/1024th native? This just reinforced Trump’s claims. She literally has less Native DNA than the average European white american in this country. That’s just hilarious. I don’t care what side of the isle you identify with. It’s basically the equivalent of me (a whiter than white male) identifying as Japanese just because I like old Kurosawa samurai movies lol. All the left had to do after Trump was elected was NOT act batsh*t crazy after he was elected and he most likely would’ve served one term. Instead, they pushed the party so far left that they’re gripping for bare roots on the side of the cliff and have only served to push more and more moderates towards Trump’s side. Why the left can’t seem to grasp this is beyond me.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Oct 23, 2018 20:43:42 GMT -5
There is an incredibly large difference between being proud of your country and identifying as a nationalist...and the President knows it and I suspect you do as well. What is a “nationalist” exactly? Someone who puts their own country above all else? I would hope that the President of the US has that mindset, with all due respect. Trump certainly has his faults, I don’t even know who besides the most goofy of right wingers would say otherwise. But if you think that this constant hysteria over literally every last thing he says is doing the left any favors... Well, more power to ya. We all took high school civics right? How is this not understood? Nationalism is a philosophy that places country above all else, no exceptions. That means nation before ethics, nation before personal freedoms and nation before moral principles and that kind of unswerving devotion to the state creates a dangerous individual attachment to those in power...which is the opposite of all the principles our nation was founded upon. We're not talking about some misunderstanding or something that's just thought to be a "code word" by some groups, this isn't "There are good people on both sides..."...this is saying he is a nationalist which has a very clear meaning and use and it isn't pretty. Do I need to post some pictures of what prior proud nationalists looked like? I think you know what those pictures would be of.
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Post by Warmonger on Oct 23, 2018 21:00:03 GMT -5
What is a “nationalist” exactly? Someone who puts their own country above all else? I would hope that the President of the US has that mindset, with all due respect. Trump certainly has his faults, I don’t even know who besides the most goofy of right wingers would say otherwise. But if you think that this constant hysteria over literally every last thing he says is doing the left any favors... Well, more power to ya. We all took high school civics right? How is this not understood? Nationalism is a philosophy that places country above all else, no exceptions. That means nation before ethics, nation before personal freedoms and nation before moral principles and that kind of unswerving devotion to the state creates a dangerous individual attachment to those in power...which is the opposite of all the principles our nation was founded upon. We're not talking about some misunderstanding or something that's just thought to be a "code word" by some groups, this isn't "There are good people on both sides..."...this is saying he is a nationalist which has a very clear meaning and use and it isn't pretty. Do I need to post some pictures of what prior proud nationalists looked like? I think you know what those pictures would be of. If that’s the case, then I never want to hear the words “Democratic Socialism” ever again. To this day no one on the left can explain it to me in a comprehensive manner. Just because a country like Canada has “socialized medicine” doesn’t mean that they’re a socialist society. They’re not. Yet despite it’s repeated failings and incredible death tolls over the last century, many on the left keep pushing it as some kind of viable alternative to capitalism, which is just batsh*t insane. Just two years ago I saw multiple people on this very forum wish Fidel Castro the best of wishes when he keeled over... I’m not sure when liberals came to the conclusion that protecting this countries borders was a bad thing. They seemed to stand and applaud whenever Bill Clinton or Barack Obama would so steadfastly endorse it. But now that Trump is the overseer...Shame!! SHAME!!
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