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Post by Warmonger on Nov 9, 2016 2:44:24 GMT -5
Pity that the same groundswell of support for Trump out there has only translated to a one-girl show in this place. It's one of the reasons I left CCF about 6 months ago, I felt all alone in my political conviction so to speak, and the Trump bashing was a bit hard to bear. Still is. This will be my last post in this thread, but I'll give you guys and girls a little space, I think I need to be with the happy crowd. Be that as it my, I tip my cap to both you and Warmonger to have the courage to speak up about what you believed in with a rational manner. The rhetoric against Trump for the last year on this thread has been overwhelming and vehement. Some comments were even scarier than Trump's I usually root for the underdog (with the exception of the NY Yankees) so my sympathies on a purely non-political personal level was with you. Plus Razormaid showed some class with that little contest she held. Bravo to her. Let the losers vent for now. I'm sure they (and I) are quite shocked with the outcome and are behaving in the manner they expected the defeated Republicans would have acted He's certainly not my ideal candidate, but I'm certainly happy the Clinton empire won't grow to (even more) monstrous proportions.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 9, 2016 2:56:15 GMT -5
I weep for this country; not because it appears to have elected Trump (though that is sad enough), but, because so few participate in the process that these were the best candidates we could get. I have a co-worker who is nearly 30 and has never voted. I didn't get to vote in 1984 because I didn't turn 18 until the week after the election. I had to wait until 1988. I have never missed an election. In serving in the military, it was my only real means of expressing my feelings about the missions we were ordered to undertake. The Gulf War was a major political awakening for me. I've always been socially liberal, and probably a bit more conservative on defense, then. However, being in the military, and at a command staff, gave me access to a lot of info that made me seriously question what was coming out of Washington. I didn't like the way things were carried out and a lot of other things that occurred during my time of duty. I made my voice known in the next election. And continued to do so, even as I spent more time voting against than for. No matter the outcome, I still vote; because the forces that want to manipulate this country for their narrow benefit depend on voter malaise. The more people vote, the better the candidates and the more the parties work together to find a consensus and bring compromise, which is the foundation of large scale government.
We will survive, no matter who is president and their power is not absolute. No matter the rhetoric of the campaign trail, legislation is a different reality. There is no clear mandate here. Compromise is still a necessity to get any program through and Trump's wild statements will not survive Congress, even with a Republican majority. America has survived dark times and will again; but, it will weather them better by getting involved, not running for cover.
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Post by Warmonger on Nov 9, 2016 3:46:23 GMT -5
Dow Futures are down 1000 points. The Tokyo, Hong Kong and Singapore markets are way down. This isn't just an American disaster...it's potentially a world-wide disaster. No it isn't Same thing happened during the Brexit, and the numbers shot right back up within 2 weeks.
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Post by tingramretro on Nov 9, 2016 3:53:40 GMT -5
Dow Futures are down 1000 points. The Tokyo, Hong Kong and Singapore markets are way down. This isn't just an American disaster...it's potentially a world-wide disaster. No it isn't Same thing happened during the Brexit, and the numbers shot right back up within 2 weeks. Yep, it was basically just a wobble caused by scaremongering. This will be the same thing.
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Post by BigPapaJoe on Nov 9, 2016 4:33:10 GMT -5
I weep for this country; not because it appears to have elected Trump (though that is sad enough), but, because so few participate in the process that these were the best candidates we could get. I have a co-worker who is nearly 30 and has never voted. I didn't get to vote in 1984 because I didn't turn 18 until the week after the election. I had to wait until 1988. I have never missed an election. In serving in the military, it was my only real means of expressing my feelings about the missions we were ordered to undertake. The Gulf War was a major political awakening for me. I've always been socially liberal, and probably a bit more conservative on defense, then. However, being in the military, and at a command staff, gave me access to a lot of info that made me seriously question what was coming out of Washington. I didn't like the way things were carried out and a lot of other things that occurred during my time of duty. I made my voice known in the next election. And continued to do so, even as I spent more time voting against than for. No matter the outcome, I still vote; because the forces that want to manipulate this country for their narrow benefit depend on voter malaise. The more people vote, the better the candidates and the more the parties work together to find a consensus and bring compromise, which is the foundation of large scale government. We will survive, no matter who is president and their power is not absolute. No matter the rhetoric of the campaign trail, legislation is a different reality. There is no clear mandate here. Compromise is still a necessity to get any program through and Trump's wild statements will not survive Congress, even with a Republican majority. America has survived dark times and will again; but, it will weather them better by getting involved, not running for cover. I said a while ago I really don't have an incentive to vote and never have. I'm 29 and I voted once back in 2008, and really I can't recall that action alone having impacted my life for the better or worse. My fortunes didn't change overnight and everything regarding my world stayed relatively the same. Everyone's experience is going to be different, but for me the entire process has always been bogus. It never felt like voting actually mattered. At least to me. Call me a conspirator, but how do you know that the entire spectacle isn't one big sham and always has been? I'll say front and center that I'm not educated enough to know the entire system front to back and how it's supposed to work. But I think that's part of the issue why people don't participate. They don't see a brighter future ahead/aren't involved in politics or don't see how the outcome of an election will impact their lives either way like in the past/or a voting process that should be so simple for anyone to partake it in further complicated by things like electoral college, a caucus, or delegates. Whatever happened to just writing who we want to vote for on a piece of paper and turning it in, and that being it? One vote per person without all of these extra transactions before it actually "counts". I think it's more a reflection of the failures of a voting system as to why a lot of people don't take the time to vote. Personally I don't think the country deserves my vote. So I don't vote. But then again I'm a cynic and have been for a while. We don't have rights in this country, only privileges that can be taken away by a higher power whenever it deems necessary. Might = right. As long as you have the bigger gun things are going to go your way. Just because you have ideas on a 200 year old piece of paper doesn't mean you are magically compelled to follow it. Obligated sure, but that isn't much a guarantee. Which is why we always have a two head race between two parties, innocent people go to jail, government cover ups happen, and all in all folks are just wasting their time. I don't live in America anymore and I'm not sure if I'll go back. Sadly, I'm going to continue to keep my head down, look out for myself, and worry about getting mine. But that is what the USA has taught me.
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Post by bor on Nov 9, 2016 5:21:25 GMT -5
I am not American so I will not comment on the choice either way regarding the candidates.
However, I will say I prefer my own country when it comes to political decisions and the voting system. The distance between politicians and voters are much smaller and even though our current government is not one I voted for, I have a lot more respect for them then I think a lot of CLinton supporters have for Trump or the other way around. I also think its sad thay so few people apparently voted, but mostly I think its sad that people dont think they have a reason to vote. I understand why they would say it, but the fact that is how Things are and the way people feel is to bad. But then again, Denmark is such a small country, less then 6 million people, and so much more insignificant when it comes to World politics that it might not be that surprising my view would be different. Although we do tend to get voted as the happiest country in the World on a regular basic. Thats something I guess. Oh and we also have LEGO.
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Post by tingramretro on Nov 9, 2016 5:52:37 GMT -5
I am not American so I will not comment on the choice either way regarding the candidates.
However, I will say I prefer my own country when it comes to political decisions and the voting system. The distance between politicians and voters are much smaller and even though our current government is not one I voted for, I have a lot more respect for them then I think a lot of CLinton supporters have for Trump or the other way around. I also think its sad thay so few people apparently voted, but mostly I think its sad that people dont think they have a reason to vote. I understand why they would say it, but the fact that is how Things are and the way people feel is to bad. But then again, Denmark is such a small country, less then 6 million people, and so much more insignificant when it comes to World politics that it might not be that surprising my view would be different. Although we do tend to get voted as the happiest country in the World on a regular basic. Thats something I guess. Oh and we also have LEGO.
You also gave the world Aqua's Barbie Girl. And one day, you'll pay for that...
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Post by bor on Nov 9, 2016 6:10:14 GMT -5
I am not American so I will not comment on the choice either way regarding the candidates.
However, I will say I prefer my own country when it comes to political decisions and the voting system. The distance between politicians and voters are much smaller and even though our current government is not one I voted for, I have a lot more respect for them then I think a lot of CLinton supporters have for Trump or the other way around. I also think its sad thay so few people apparently voted, but mostly I think its sad that people dont think they have a reason to vote. I understand why they would say it, but the fact that is how Things are and the way people feel is to bad. But then again, Denmark is such a small country, less then 6 million people, and so much more insignificant when it comes to World politics that it might not be that surprising my view would be different. Although we do tend to get voted as the happiest country in the World on a regular basic. Thats something I guess. Oh and we also have LEGO.
You also gave the world Aqua's Barbie Girl. And one day, you'll pay for that... Oh belive me having to see them on a regular basis everytime the 90s is brought up in conversation is punishment to.
Currently we also have Lukas Graham. Atleast with him the reactions are a lot better.
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Post by Lolatadatodo on Nov 9, 2016 7:48:19 GMT -5
Pity that the same groundswell of support for Trump out there has only translated to a one-girl show in this place. It's one of the reasons I left CCF about 6 months ago, I felt all alone in my political conviction so to speak, and the Trump bashing was a bit hard to bear. Still is. This will be my last post in this thread, but I'll give you guys and girls a little space, I think I need to be with the happy crowd. I have always respected you, and I know we do not have the same political views. I figured we simply refrained from discussing politics for this very reason. I hope you do not feel like you have to leave, or disappointed that some here are literally scared out of their minds. I mean, if you believe they have no reason to feel that way, I can see how you can find that it is ridiculous, but for those of us scared, it is very, very real. I tried not to bash Trump, though I completely disagree with every single thing he is politically. I have tried to only semi-joke in this thread when I did post in here. But last night crushed me. I'm still crushed. I'm going to be crushed for a while. I am a woman with a disabled son. Trump has made it very clear he cares nothing for me and mine.
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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 9, 2016 7:54:07 GMT -5
Coldest comfort: the majority of voters will have rejected racism disguised as populism.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Nov 9, 2016 8:14:38 GMT -5
I haven't smoked in ten years but with the new president and legalizing pot in Mass I just might pick it up again to cope. I apologize to everyone who isn't a white male in this country.
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Post by Confessor on Nov 9, 2016 8:26:41 GMT -5
I haven't smoked in ten years but with the new president and legalizing pot in Mass I just might pick it up again to cope. I apologize to everyone who isn't a white male in this country. I see you lying down in a velvet jacket, toking on a pipe in an opium den. That would suit your image nicely, I think.
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Post by Lolatadatodo on Nov 9, 2016 8:27:26 GMT -5
I haven't smoked in ten years but with the new president and legalizing pot in Mass I just might pick it up again to cope. I apologize to everyone who isn't a white male in this country. I am glad that most of us are on the same page with this. I mean, it does not help us, but maybe safety in numbers? All marginalized groups need to be unified now more than ever. I cannot help but think this country is going to eat itself.
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Post by shaxper on Nov 9, 2016 8:27:26 GMT -5
The hard part for me is not Trump winning, in and of itself. I'm shocked and disappointed, but I could have dealt with that.
What really throws me is that we gave the Republicans a full carte blanc mandate to keep doing what they are doing in the House and Senate.
I thought the entire point of voting for Trump was to be anti-establishment, but the obstructionist establishment is back in force with renewed confidence, and forget any checks and balances on the president now. All three branches of the government will be Republican controlled. And we have three Supreme Court justices over 80 years old who will likely need to retire in the next four years in addition to the vacancy that already exists. I don't know if a President Elect has ever entered office before with this much power being handed to them.
And really, I know this is going to sound sour grapes and really really hypocritical, but has anyone considered the possibility that the reason the election results don't even come close to matching projections and exit polls is that Russia may have had a hand in the results? Is anyone investigating the possibility, however unlikely?
Maybe it really was a rigged system, after all...
All that being said, if Trump can behave like a human being and work to meet the interests of both his party and his detractors, I will do my best to keep an open mind and give him a chance. I don't think this is Hitler's second coming. That's sheer hyperbole. I do think we've handed far too much power to people who are better at complaining and spreading untruths than actually formulating plans of their own, and I worry about what this will do to so many people who aren't me, both in this country and in the larger global community.
But I would honestly and truly LOVE Trump to prove me wrong. I'll readily eat crow if it comes to it.
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Post by Lolatadatodo on Nov 9, 2016 8:31:00 GMT -5
The hard part for me is not Trump winning, in and of itself. I'm shocked and disappointed, but I could have dealt with that. What really throws me is that we gave the Republicans a full carte blanc mandate to keep doing what they are doing in the House and Senate. I thought the entire point of voting for Trump was to be anti-establishment, but the obstructionist establishment is back in force with renewed confidence, and forget any checks and balances on the president now. All three branches of the government will be Republican controlled. And we have three Supreme Court justices over 80 years old. I don't know if a President Elect has ever entered office before with this much power being handed to them. And really, I know this is going to sound sour grapes and really really hypocritical, but has anyone considered the possibility that the reason the election results don't even come close to matching projections and exit polls is that Russia may have had a hand in the results? Is anyone investigating the possibility, however unlikely? Maybe it really was a rigged system, after all... All that being said, if Trump can behave like a human being and work to meet the interests of both his party and his detractors, I will do my best to keep an open mind and give him a chance. I don't think this is Hitler's second coming. That's sheer hyperbole. I do think we've handed far too much power to people who are better at complaining and spreading untruths than actually formulating plans of their own, and I worry about what this will do to so many people who aren't me, both in this country and in the larger global community. But I would honestly and truly LOVE Trump to prove me wrong. I'll readily eat crow if it comes to it. I have had, like, 4 hours of sleep in two days. But, in all that awake time, one of the tricks my mind has played on me (besides hope, obviously) is that maybe his entire campaign was one big joke, and I mean in the sense that all the hate, all the crap that surfaced, all the things he said to offend and disgust, maybe it was some trick to get in, and maybe he will be the complete opposite while in office. But that's probably just that hope trick with my mind again.
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