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Post by Rob Allen on Jun 10, 2014 14:45:50 GMT -5
One of the ways to recognize a poor supporting character is that the character gets dropped from the book. Jane Foster was written out of Thor. Gwen Stacy was killed because the creative team thought she was a boring, generic "girlfriend".
Personally, I found Marv Wolfman's Groucho character (what was his name - Rufus T. Hackstabber or something like that) distracting and out of place.
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Post by Hoosier X on Jun 10, 2014 14:47:52 GMT -5
Mike Schorr.
Remember him?
Snapper Carr isn't even in the same league with this guy for being an annoying, worthless supporting character. Percival Popp almost makes it. But I'd pick Popp over Schorr even if the stories Schorr was in were marginally better.
Schorr was a policemen in Gateway City in the John Byrne Wonder Woman run. So dull.
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Post by Crimebuster on Jun 10, 2014 14:47:53 GMT -5
The Golden Age was full of terrible "funny" supporting characters. Doiby Dickles also comes to mind.
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Post by Hoosier X on Jun 10, 2014 14:51:11 GMT -5
The Golden Age was full of terrible "funny" supporting characters. Doiby Dickles also comes to mind. Doiby Dickles was the least of Golden Age Green Lantern's problems. The art, early on, was atrocious. (It wasn't so bad later in the 1940s. Some of it was pretty good!)
I kind of like Doiby.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 10, 2014 14:53:48 GMT -5
Conversely, the Fantastic Four's Alicia has never come off as anything but a simpery female-prop-for-male characters to me. Although it's interesting to think that she might have a fetish for rocks..
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Post by ironchimp on Jun 10, 2014 14:54:04 GMT -5
Ebony White. why Will why?
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Post by DubipR on Jun 10, 2014 14:55:38 GMT -5
One of the ways to recognize a poor supporting character is that the character gets dropped from the book. Jane Foster was written out of Thor. Gwen Stacy was killed because the creative team thought she was a boring, generic "girlfriend". Personally, I found Marv Wolfman's Groucho character (what was his name - Rufus T. Hackstabber or something like that) distracting and out of place. I was going to say Harold H. Harold from Tomb Dracula, who is also useless a well, but I don't remember a Groucho-esque character in his books.
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Post by DubipR on Jun 10, 2014 15:02:00 GMT -5
I never cared for Doiby Dickles and Woozy Winks. The overweight bumbling sidekick I always found insulting.
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Post by fanboystranger on Jun 10, 2014 15:12:11 GMT -5
One of the ways to recognize a poor supporting character is that the character gets dropped from the book. Jane Foster was written out of Thor. Gwen Stacy was killed because the creative team thought she was a boring, generic "girlfriend". Personally, I found Marv Wolfman's Groucho character (what was his name - Rufus T. Hackstabber or something like that) distracting and out of place. I was going to say Harold H. Harold from Tomb Dracula, who is also useless a well, but I don't remember a Groucho-esque character in his books.
I kinda liked Harold H. Harold. There were a lot of those neurotic writer characters floating around Marvel Comics in the '70s. Steve Gerber had his Don McGregor analogue in the early issues of Howard the Duck, Harold Harold was a composite of Gerber and Wolfman himself, the clowns from the Magus Saga, etc. It made me feel that the Marvel creators weren't taking themselves too seriously, something that carried over from fandom's impressions of the Bullpen in the '60s.
Plus, no one can forget Lester Verde, the greatest villain of all-time (later psychiatrist).
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Post by MWGallaher on Jun 10, 2014 15:12:35 GMT -5
One of the ways to recognize a poor supporting character is that the character gets dropped from the book. Jane Foster was written out of Thor. Gwen Stacy was killed because the creative team thought she was a boring, generic "girlfriend". Personally, I found Marv Wolfman's Groucho character (what was his name - Rufus T. Hackstabber or something like that) distracting and out of place. That was a Doug Moench character from Master of Kung Fu, not one of Wolfman's...but indeed an annoyance. (One of the reasons I don't share the rest of the world's seeming worship of the Marx Brothers is that my first exposure to them was from the countless impressions and imitations of them spewed out in the 70's. Nothing kills my sense of amusement like hearing goons thinking they're "funny" by endlessly imitating comedic routines, e.g. Groucho, The Pigeon Sketch, The Lumberjack Song, Inigo Montoya quotes, "Chee'burger Chee'burger", "Jane, you ignorant slut", "Isn't that special?", "Where's the beef?", etc.) Marv Wolfman did give us Harold H. Harold in Tomb of Dracula, a nebbish character who I found "distracting and out of place." But the worst I can think of right now? Three Stooges imitations Winky, Blinky, and Noddy when they were freakin' revived as Earth-1 characters in the Silver Age Flash! I can accept the obligatory "comic relief" characters in late Golden Age superhero comics, but there was no excuse for reviving them in the 60's! |
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Post by fanboystranger on Jun 10, 2014 15:15:58 GMT -5
I never cared for Doiby Dickles and Woozy Winks. The overweight bumbling sidekick I always found insulting. Doiby I can take or leave depending on who is writing his dialogue. The accent can be overbearing.
Woozy, on the other hand, I love. But I love just about everything from early Plastic Man.
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Post by Cei-U! on Jun 10, 2014 15:49:12 GMT -5
But the worst I can think of right now? Three Stooges imitations Winky, Blinky, and Noddy when they were freakin' revived as Earth-1 characters in the Silver Age Flash! I can accept the obligatory "comic relief" characters in late Golden Age superhero comics, but there was no excuse for reviving them in the 60' The funny thing about the Three Dimwits revival is its source: then-fan Roy Thomas specifically calls for their revival in early Flash letters page. It was the first story for the new series written by Gardner Fox, who seemed to have forgotten what made the characters work in the Golden Age (and having read every last appearance of the Dimwits for my article I promise you some of those stories are genuinely funny), and it did not go over big with Silver Age readers. Pretty much everyone hated that story except Roy, who received the original art for his trouble (one page of which now belongs to our very own Marty Golia). Cei-U! I summon the monumental misfire! |
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Post by Rob Allen on Jun 10, 2014 17:51:03 GMT -5
Right, Moench was the one who put Groucho in a book with Fu Manchu, and Wolfman put himself into the Dracula book.
Was there any indication that they intended Mopee to be an ongoing supporting character?
And I don't want to tell you how many decades it took for me to recognize that "Doiby" was a phonetic spelling of a New Yorker saying "derby".
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2014 17:59:16 GMT -5
Bat-mite, Wonder-tot and Gaggy from Batman 186.
Annoying to the point of being stupid...I'd only own 'their' silver age books to complete a run, not for any appreciation of the character.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jun 10, 2014 18:02:02 GMT -5
Steve Trevor from the Silver Age. Vietnam was not the reason many lost respect for the military
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