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Post by Reptisaurus! on May 21, 2015 11:48:53 GMT -5
It's Marvel Team-Up #27. Cei-U! I summon the ID! Seriously? THe one with the Hulk and the Chameleon and Rick Jones? How does that even fit? (Granted, I haven't read it in a while, but....) |
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Post by coke & comics on May 21, 2015 14:14:10 GMT -5
It's Marvel Team-Up #27. Cei-U! I summon the ID! Seriously? THe one with the Hulk and the Chameleon and Rick Jones? How does that even fit? (Granted, I haven't read it in a while, but....) I used to think of you as THE Marvel Team-Up guy. Now I don't believe in nothin' no more. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on May 21, 2015 14:34:22 GMT -5
Seriously? THe one with the Hulk and the Chameleon and Rick Jones? How does that even fit? (Granted, I haven't read it in a while, but....) I used to think of you as THE Marvel Team-Up guy. Now I don't believe in nothin' no more. I know! I thought of Marvel Team-Up # 27, figured the creative team was certainly possible during that era, but I just didn't think the dialog could fit anywhere in that story... which I thought took place on a military base. *sigh* |
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Post by Icctrombone on May 21, 2015 14:40:47 GMT -5
I remember reading an interview with Engelhart where he said he introduced Mantis into the Avengers book to be a b**ch that was going to sleep with all of them and cause division , so if you disliked her, his plan worked.
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Post by JKCarrier on May 21, 2015 22:50:01 GMT -5
I started reading Avengers right around the time Mantis was introduced, and I always thought she was neat. I liked the mystery and ambiguity surrounding her and the Swordsman, and wondering whether they might eventually turn out to be bad guys. I liked that she had an attitude and didn't get along with everyone -- every team needs a member like that to stir things up (was she really any more "bitchy" than, say, Hawkeye or Quicksilver?). And I loved her whole arc, the idea that a woman from such modest circumstances could grow to become an Avenger, and then go even further to become Celestial Madonna. Englehart may have gone back to the well with her a few too many times since (although I thought her turn as "Willow" in JLA was hilarious), but that original run is still one of my all-time favorites.
I'll also echo Tolworthy's praise of Englehart's Fantastic Four: A real underrated gem. I know a lot of people couldn't get past the fact that it wasn't the "classic" line-up, but I think giving Ben a chance to be team leader was a great new spin on things, and the resulting character dynamics were a blast to watch.
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Post by Icctrombone on May 22, 2015 9:43:34 GMT -5
I enjoyed his FF run. It had an uncomfortable feel between the princples that made me come back for more. Hated Ms. Marvel and didn't like Crystals abrupt exit , though.
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Post by Pharozonk on May 22, 2015 10:00:05 GMT -5
I am VERY fond of Steve Englehart's '70s work. His '80s work can go sit on a pole and rotate. I swear, it's like he had a stroke and never told anyone or something.I thought his 80's Green Lantern work was great!  |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on May 22, 2015 10:07:26 GMT -5
I am VERY fond of Steve Englehart's '70s work. His '80s work can go sit on a pole and rotate. I swear, it's like he had a stroke and never told anyone or something.I thought his 80's Green Lantern work was great! I never read Green Lantern, but I liked Coyote a lot, and Fantastic Four .... well, a lot more than I thought I was going to. Everything else he did in the '80s.... less so. And aside from Night of the Stalker I never really warmend to his Batman stuff, either. |
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Post by fanboystranger on May 22, 2015 10:12:42 GMT -5
Count me in with the people who liked Englehart's FF run. It's not as good as the Byrne run that preceded it or the Simonson run that followed it, but I think they were still solid comics. Of course, I read them when I was a kid, so there may be some nostalgia going on there. However, that issue with Michael Morbius getting lost in The Land Within, Master Pandemonium, Comet Man's buddy, and the Beyonder technology in the Savage Land which lead into "Secret Wars 3" was like crack to me when I was younger. So many wild ideas introduced from disperate Marvel books that I suddenly needed to have.
Funnily enough, I picked a tpb of Englehart's Green Lantern run called Green Lantern: Space Sector 2814, vol 3 for $5 from my LCS last week, and I greatly enjoyed the stories, which mostly dealt with Crisis and the build-up to GL 200. I think it's some of Joe Staton's best art, too. Of course, issue 200 provides the set-up for Millenium, so I wanted not to like it, but it is much better than that piece of garbage. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on May 22, 2015 11:01:38 GMT -5
I love Englehart's writing too, and I especially agree about his masterful handling of continuity. He knew how to handle it to further stories, and not to bog them down in a morass of trivia.
His connecting the dots between the Blue area, the Kree, the Skrulls, the Vision and the Human Torch in his Celestial Madonna was masterful. His explanation that the ill-fitting but all-powerful Beyonder was actually an immature cosmic cube (in Fantastic Four) was brilliant: it explained so much, and fit so well with what we knew of the Marvel Universe!
And let's not forget he also wrote the first issues of Master of Kung Fu, a series I love almost as much as Conan!
Regarding Mantis: I, too, hated her when she forst appeared... but she's a rare case of a flawed character who grows and matures in comics. The last time I saw her, in Abnett and Lanning's Guardians of the galaxy, she was one of my favorite characters; she was the adult of the team.
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Post by coke & comics on May 25, 2015 14:11:22 GMT -5
I am VERY fond of Steve Englehart's '70s work. His '80s work can go sit on a pole and rotate. I swear, it's like he had a stroke and never told anyone or something.Cannot agree. I thought he told some darn good Silver Surfer stories. His opening 10-part Elders of the Universe arc, for example. |
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Post by Crimebuster on May 25, 2015 15:34:18 GMT -5
I think the first 24 issues of his WCA run are really underrated, mainly because of the awful Al Milgrom art.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 15:43:44 GMT -5
I think the first 24 issues of his WCA run are really underrated, mainly because of the awful Al Milgrom art. I liked them, I even had a loc comment printed in one of them. I liked a lot of Englehart's 80s stuff, just not as much as his 70s material. I think his highs in the 80s did not quite reach the heights of his 70s stuff, while the lows sunk much, much lower than the worst of his 70s material, and when he did strike bottom in some of the the 80s stuff, man did it stink. -M |
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Post by fanboystranger on May 25, 2015 18:25:08 GMT -5
I am VERY fond of Steve Englehart's '70s work. His '80s work can go sit on a pole and rotate. I swear, it's like he had a stroke and never told anyone or something.Cannot agree. I thought he told some darn good Silver Surfer stories. His opening 10-part Elders of the Universe arc, for example. I think the second year was actually better, especially when Ron Lim came on. (I can't believe I'm actually going to argue that Ron Lim was better at something than Marshall Rogers, but I found Rogers' SS to be among his weakest work.) That In-Betweener vs Galactus arc blew my mind when I was younger. |
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Post by fanboystranger on May 25, 2015 18:27:19 GMT -5
I think the first 24 issues of his WCA run are really underrated, mainly because of the awful Al Milgrom art. It was kinda tolerable because of the Joe Sinnott inking, which gave Milgrom's art a classic feel.
On the other hand, we have this monstrosity of a costume:
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